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Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

Todd Sullivan
 

Ted,

I don't know if it suggests that, but cattle shipments did tend to be seasonal.  My understanding is that, in the spring, cattle were often shipped from winter grazing areas to summer pastures at higher levels (think Colorado, Wyoming and Montana), and in the fall, shipped back again.  Also, cattle would be shipped to cities with slaughterhouses (think Kansas City, Omaha, Chicago) at the end of the grazing season after round-ups.

I know the spring-fall grazing seasons were a big factor on the D&RGW narrow gauge line stock movements, and I think they probably applied elsewhere across the west. 

I invite others with more information to comment.

Todd Sullivan


Re: MofW models (was Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar)

 

Don’t forget the Pecos River Brass Santa Fe MOW cars; I have these.

 

ATSF

WORK

ICE

ATSF

WORK

TANK

ATSF

WORK

WHEEL

ATSF

WORK

BOX WITHOUT PANELS

ATSF

WORK

BOX WITHOUT PANELS

ATSF

WORK

FOREMAN'S BUNK

ATSF

WORK

BUNK

ATSF

WORK

BUNK

ATSF

WORK

BUNK

ATSF

WORK

TOOL 6 WINDOW

ATSF

WORK

TOOL 6 WINDOW

ATSF

WORK

TOOL 5 WINDOW

ATSF

WORK

TOOL 5 WINDOW

ATSF

WORK

BOX

ATSF

WORK

BOX

ATSF

WHEEL

FLAT

ATSF

WORK

DINER

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 1:10 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] MofW models (was Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar)

 

Dennis -

Hmm.

There is no MASS market for MofW, especially completely generic MofW. W&R imported a large number
of prototypically accurate MofW cars for the Northern Pacific, and they all sold out. I daresay he probably made
a good deal more money than Accurail did with generic plastic models. :-)

There have been periodic imports of brass Southern Pacific MofW cars - flangers, rotary plows, fire fighting cars.

Kitbashing is called for in most cases for MofW, because that's what the prototype did! :-) The 1950's roster of
SP MofW cars published by the SPH&TS identifies each MofW car by its original class. This is really useful as
so many of the original classes are represented by Westerfield, Sunshine, Owl Mountain, and many others. Lots
of kitbash possibilities!

Tim O'Connor


On 6/8/2022 12:26 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 04:48 PM, Jason P wrote:

Mr Storzek,

With so many of those cars going into MoW use, would Accurail consider some bunk car bodies with windows and end doors to drop over the under frames? We really do not have any camp cars on the market other than the old Walthers/Train Miniatures models.

Jason, I hate to disappoint you, but Ray has the best suggestion. Accurail proved years ago that there is absolutely NO market for MoW cars with series of ill advised MoW pant and lettering offerings on our 40' steel boxcars. As I recall, some of those hung around ten or fifteen YEARS.

Dennis Storzek


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Watermelons In Livestock Car (Undated)

Ted Larson
 

Does that suggest that cattle shipments were seasonal?




--
Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

akerboomk
 

RE: Larger barrels
Try O scale (or #1 scale or gauge...)?
Or dollhouse folks?
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

Eric Hansmann
 

That’s looking great, Charlie! Sharp paint and lettering.

 

I bought a couple of those Branchline AC&F reefer kits last summer during a hobby shop stop on the way to the St Louis RPM. When I tire of building resin kits, I turn to the plastic pile and grab a couple to build. Thanks for the inspiration!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

 

Here’s some old school modeling; the Branchline wood reefer kit build almost OOB.  I did substitute wire handgrabs for the sides and on the roof otherwise used all the parts that came with the kit.  I appreciate everyone’s input on the colors.  The original kit was the as built Noerthwestern reefer but the scheme was too early for my layout. I stripped the sides and found a set of Odd Ball decals on eBay.  My layout is set in the early 1950’s so this 1952 car would be somewhat new and I’ll keep it with just this minor weathering.    Noticed I still need to add the Plano hatch brackets…
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

Charlie Duckworth
 

Tom did a nice job on his ART and Mopac cars which at the time when he was in business is about all I’d bought. 

The Northwestern lettering is almost spot on although his capacity load limit and light weight might be slightly larger than the prototype but that’s my only observation.  It’s odd to that he included ready to use road numbers that weren’t valid for these cars and I had to piece together a correct number.   If you search on eBay for Northwestern reefer the dealer I bought this set from had 7 more. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

Tim O'Connor
 


Beautiful work - such handsome cars! Tom Stolte's decals (Oddballs) are not always as accurate as these so
he must have really liked these cars. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 6/8/2022 2:19 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

Here’s some old school modeling; the Branchline wood reefer kit build almost OOB.  I did substitute wire handgrabs for the sides and on the roof otherwise used all the parts that came with the kit.  I appreciate everyone’s input on the colors.  The original kit was the as built Noerthwestern reefer but the scheme was too early for my layout. I stripped the sides and found a set of Odd Ball decals on eBay.  My layout is set in the early 1950’s so this 1952 car would be somewhat new and I’ll keep it with just this minor weathering.    Noticed I still need to add the Plano hatch brackets…
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

Kenneth Montero
 

On 06/08/2022 2:36 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I was hoping to find something a little larger... :-D

(Attached photo of an early SP wine tank car)

On 6/8/2022 2:30 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Campbell Scale Models still makes HO scale real wood barrels. with raised segments for barrel hoops (paint the hoops, leave staves and tops & bottoms unpainted).

Look for item #250 - 12 per packet.


Ken Montero


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

Douglas Harding
 

Here are some photos of wood barrels used as containers for food and drink.
The barrels are not stained or painted, but note the various staves have variation in color, so a simple stain job will not duplicate the look. 

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:37 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I was hoping to find something a little larger... :-D

(Attached photo of an early SP wine tank car)

On 6/8/2022 2:30 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Campbell Scale Models still makes HO scale real wood barrels. with raised segments for barrel hoops (paint the hoops, leave staves and tops & bottoms unpainted).

Look for item #250 - 12 per packet.


Ken Montero


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

O Fenton Wells
 

Good looking car Charlie, well done
Fenton

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 2:47 PM Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...> wrote:
Nice Charlie. Lloyd

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:19 PM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here’s some old school modeling; the Branchline wood reefer kit build almost OOB.  I did substitute wire handgrabs for the sides and on the roof otherwise used all the parts that came with the kit.  I appreciate everyone’s input on the colors.  The original kit was the as built Noerthwestern reefer but the scheme was too early for my layout. I stripped the sides and found a set of Odd Ball decals on eBay.  My layout is set in the early 1950’s so this 1952 car would be somewhat new and I’ll keep it with just this minor weathering.    Noticed I still need to add the Plano hatch brackets…
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

Lloyd Keyser
 

Nice Charlie. Lloyd

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:19 PM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here’s some old school modeling; the Branchline wood reefer kit build almost OOB.  I did substitute wire handgrabs for the sides and on the roof otherwise used all the parts that came with the kit.  I appreciate everyone’s input on the colors.  The original kit was the as built Noerthwestern reefer but the scheme was too early for my layout. I stripped the sides and found a set of Odd Ball decals on eBay.  My layout is set in the early 1950’s so this 1952 car would be somewhat new and I’ll keep it with just this minor weathering.    Noticed I still need to add the Plano hatch brackets…
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

Tim O'Connor
 


I was hoping to find something a little larger... :-D

(Attached photo of an early SP wine tank car)

On 6/8/2022 2:30 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:

Campbell Scale Models still makes HO scale real wood barrels. with raised segments for barrel hoops (paint the hoops, leave staves and tops & bottoms unpainted).

Look for item #250 - 12 per packet.


Ken Montero


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

Kenneth Montero
 

Campbell Scale Models still makes HO scale real wood barrels. with raised segments for barrel hoops (paint the hoops, leave staves and tops & bottoms unpainted).

Look for item #250 - 12 per packet.


Ken Montero

On 06/08/2022 12:24 PM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Clover house used to produce turned wooden barrels in various sizes it might be worth checking them out.

Paul Doggett 



On 8 Jun 2022, at 17:11, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:

Ray
I’d paint them a light tan color, paint the banding a metal color and them give them a wash of brown oil paint to have the details picked out. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: ART Reefer 13660 (Undated)

Charlie Duckworth
 

Phil
For whatever reason this early group of ART reefer were built with the shorter doors they weren’t for only meat service.   
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: ART Reefer 13660 (Undated)

Tim O'Connor
 


When I hear "shorter door" for a reefer, I immediately think "internal overhead brine tank". I think
that ART did have some of those, which I think were used for frozen foods.

A "meat reefer" would be classified RSM which means it had overhead meat rails.

On 6/8/2022 2:17 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:

I wonder if this reefer was meant for another commodity like meat. It has a shorter door and overall looks quite different from the "signature" ART wood reefer.

-Phil Lee

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

Jerry Michels
 

Kevin,  I agree barrels were not stained, but they didn't remain their original wood color, they weathered to a warm brown.  Charlie Duckworth's suggestion is really good.  Jerry Michels


Branchline Northwestern G/Y reefer finished

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here’s some old school modeling; the Branchline wood reefer kit build almost OOB.  I did substitute wire handgrabs for the sides and on the roof otherwise used all the parts that came with the kit.  I appreciate everyone’s input on the colors.  The original kit was the as built Noerthwestern reefer but the scheme was too early for my layout. I stripped the sides and found a set of Odd Ball decals on eBay.  My layout is set in the early 1950’s so this 1952 car would be somewhat new and I’ll keep it with just this minor weathering.    Noticed I still need to add the Plano hatch brackets…
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: ART Reefer 13660 (Undated)

nyc3001 .
 

I wonder if this reefer was meant for another commodity like meat. It has a shorter door and overall looks quite different from the "signature" ART wood reefer.

-Phil Lee


MofW models (was Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar)

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis -

Hmm.

There is no MASS market for MofW, especially completely generic MofW. W&R imported a large number
of prototypically accurate MofW cars for the Northern Pacific, and they all sold out. I daresay he probably made
a good deal more money than Accurail did with generic plastic models. :-)

There have been periodic imports of brass Southern Pacific MofW cars - flangers, rotary plows, fire fighting cars.

Kitbashing is called for in most cases for MofW, because that's what the prototype did! :-) The 1950's roster of
SP MofW cars published by the SPH&TS identifies each MofW car by its original class. This is really useful as
so many of the original classes are represented by Westerfield, Sunshine, Owl Mountain, and many others. Lots
of kitbash possibilities!

Tim O'Connor


On 6/8/2022 12:26 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 04:48 PM, Jason P wrote:
Mr Storzek,
With so many of those cars going into MoW use, would Accurail consider some bunk car bodies with windows and end doors to drop over the under frames? We really do not have any camp cars on the market other than the old Walthers/Train Miniatures models.
Jason, I hate to disappoint you, but Ray has the best suggestion. Accurail proved years ago that there is absolutely NO market for MoW cars with series of ill advised MoW pant and lettering offerings on our 40' steel boxcars. As I recall, some of those hung around ten or fifteen YEARS.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


MOW cars, was Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

 

Or perhaps 3D print or work with resin. A number of resinators have offered (and continue to offer) very nice, often RR specific, MOW cars, such as the Westerfield PRR XL and X23 MOW models. Although, even there, sometimes cars are so specific or unusual that kitbashing or scratchbuilding is the order of the day.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:26 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 04:48 PM, Jason P wrote:

Mr Storzek,

With so many of those cars going into MoW use, would Accurail consider some bunk car bodies with windows and end doors to drop over the under frames? We really do not have any camp cars on the market other than the old Walthers/Train Miniatures models.

Jason, I hate to disappoint you, but Ray has the best suggestion. Accurail proved years ago that there is absolutely NO market for MoW cars with series of ill advised MoW pant and lettering offerings on our 40' steel boxcars. As I recall, some of those hung around ten or fifteen YEARS.

Dennis Storzek

 

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