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Re: Photo: Standard Coal Company Box Car Unloader (1914)

Douglas Harding
 

During the steam era most roads west of the Mississippi preferred gons over open hoppers for coal. In winter months they used boxcars, esp the northern roads, to prevent rain/snow freezing the coal. Boxcar loaders were used for loading. 
There was a company in Ottumwa Iowa (heart of Iowa coal country) that made boxcar loaders and unloaders. 
IH also made a loader.
Of course labor was cheap in those days, so laborers with shovels were also common.

Photos attached.

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:55 PM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
Is that Standard or Narrow gauge?

It looks like there are end (lumber?) doors.

These type of unloaders were common in grain unloading facilities.

Some of which could also tilt to the side.

-Hudson


Re: Photo: Standard Coal Company Box Car Unloader (1914)

Hudson Leighton
 

Is that Standard or Narrow gauge?

It looks like there are end (lumber?) doors.

These type of unloaders were common in grain unloading facilities.

Some of which could also tilt to the side.

-Hudson


Re: Photo: Standard Coal Company Box Car Unloader (1914)

 

I've seen photos of this process used to unload grain as well.


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On 6/9/22, 2:50 PM, "Bruce Hendrick" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io on behalf of brucehendrick@...> wrote:

Does anyone know the specifics of this operation? Were these special boxcars with top loading capabilities? Is the car being unloaded via its end?

I can’t see how anyone would think this would be an improvement over using a standard open top hopper. Perhaps this was an experimental operation?

Thanks,

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: Photo: Standard Coal Company Box Car Unloader (1914)

Bruce Hendrick
 

Does anyone know the specifics of this operation? Were these special boxcars with top loading capabilities? Is the car being unloaded via its end?

I can’t see how anyone would think this would be an improvement over using a standard open top hopper. Perhaps this was an experimental operation?

Thanks,

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

 

What number series? I may have some photos.

 

 

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From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 2:47 PM
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

 

Thanks Fenton.  I don’t have much in the way of photos from southern roads.  I just heard from Ed Hawkins and he said there is a color photo in RPCyc volume 3 so I will check there next.  

Rich Remiarz

 

 



On Jun 9, 2022, at 2:42 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:



Well, my bad, I should have known you would have already looked.  I have one color photo from 1966 and it looks brownish.

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:28 PM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Fenton,

 

That is the first place I looked and TruColor doesn’t have a T&P paint color.

 

Rich Remiarz



On Jun 9, 2022, at 1:05 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:



I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P

Fenton

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Richard Remiarz
 

Thanks Tim. 

Rich Remiarz


On Jun 9, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I'd go with "rich oxide brown" ... for later repaints the color was more muted, so I'd add a drop
of a "maroon" to the mix.

:-)

On 6/9/2022 3:28 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
Fenton,

That is the first place I looked and TruColor doesn’t have a T&P paint color.

Rich Remiarz


On Jun 9, 2022, at 1:05 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz



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Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Richard Remiarz
 

Thanks Fenton.  I don’t have much in the way of photos from southern roads.  I just heard from Ed Hawkins and he said there is a color photo in RPCyc volume 3 so I will check there next.  

Rich Remiarz



On Jun 9, 2022, at 2:42 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Well, my bad, I should have known you would have already looked.  I have one color photo from 1966 and it looks brownish.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:28 PM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:
Fenton,

That is the first place I looked and TruColor doesn’t have a T&P paint color.

Rich Remiarz


On Jun 9, 2022, at 1:05 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Well, my bad, I should have known you would have already looked.  I have one color photo from 1966 and it looks brownish.


On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:28 PM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:
Fenton,

That is the first place I looked and TruColor doesn’t have a T&P paint color.

Rich Remiarz


On Jun 9, 2022, at 1:05 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


I'd go with "rich oxide brown" ... for later repaints the color was more muted, so I'd add a drop
of a "maroon" to the mix.

:-)

On 6/9/2022 3:28 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:

Fenton,

That is the first place I looked and TruColor doesn’t have a T&P paint color.

Rich Remiarz


On Jun 9, 2022, at 1:05 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: ART Reefer 13660 (Undated)

Tim O'Connor
 


It's especially hard with brown versus orange since brown is essentially "dark orange".

Tim O'Connor


On 6/9/2022 12:52 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

What a great example to illustrate why you can't rely on B&W photos to determine colors:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=455900

At first glance the entire car appears to be one color, perhaps FCR or Pullman green. But you have to ask yourself why is the side lettering darker than the background and the end lettering lighter? Then it becomes obvious that the car has the traditional yellow or orange sides and FCR ends. Likely the effect of orthochromatic film.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Richard Remiarz
 

Fenton,

That is the first place I looked and TruColor doesn’t have a T&P paint color.

Rich Remiarz


On Jun 9, 2022, at 1:05 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

I don't know what kind of paint you use but I'll bet TrueColor makes a T&P color for T&P
Fenton

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Photo: Standard Coal Company Box Car Unloader (1914)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Standard Coal Company Box Car Unloader (1914)

Photo from University of Utah Marriott Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=528829

Unloading a D&RG boxcar.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: ART Reefer 13660 (Undated)

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

What a great example to illustrate why you can't rely on B&W photos to determine colors:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=455900

At first glance the entire car appears to be one color, perhaps FCR or Pullman green. But you have to ask yourself why is the side lettering darker than the background and the end lettering lighter? Then it becomes obvious that the car has the traditional yellow or orange sides and FCR ends. Likely the effect of orthochromatic film.

Dennis Storzek


Photo: Gondolas With Structures For Hoover Dam (Circa 1930-1935)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gondolas With Structures For Hoover Dam (Circa 1930-1935)

Photo from the University of Nevada/Las Vegas:

https://special.library.unlv.edu/ark:/62930/d1779v

Photo can be enlarged.

First gondola is UP.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 08:31 PM, Jason P wrote:
Dennis,
Thank you for your reply! I figured it was a long shot but thought I'd at least ask. I don't know of any of those kits available locally to get a close-up look but it appears the doors are molded into the shell meaning they would have to be cut out and partially filled in to install a man door for a camp car. If so, I assume the only way to get a good match on filling in the door opening would be to cut up the sides of another donor body. I'm not sure if the Evergreen car siding would be close enough or not. Are the 40ft reefer sides sold on the parts page tooled o have the same board profile as the 36ft double sheathed boxcars?
Actually, since I liked the look of the Evergreen car siding and the grooves are almost exact scale, I used the same dimensions, so the Evergreen product should match quite well. Anyway, if it looks like a patch, it would have been a patch on the full size car, so this is actually good.

The Tichy and Grandt Line outfit car windows are all small, to fit between the posts and braces, which are obvious on a single sheathed car, but remember, the double sheathed cars had the same structure in their walls. Railroad shops typically didn't like to remove or cut structural members and weaken the car.

Dennis Storzek


T&P 1937 AAR boxcars

Richard Remiarz
 

Greetings,

 

I am looking for some help.  I am building a model of a Texas & Pacific 1937 AAR boxcar using a National Scale Car MK102 mini-kit.  I will be lettering the car as it would appear in the mid-50s with the T&P herald.  What shade of red were T&P boxcars in the 1950’s?  Thank you for your help.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar

Jason P
 

Dennis,
Thank you for your reply! I figured it was a long shot but thought I'd at least ask. I don't know of any of those kits available locally to get a close-up look but it appears the doors are molded into the shell meaning they would have to be cut out and partially filled in to install a man door for a camp car. If so, I assume the only way to get a good match on filling in the door opening would be to cut up the sides of another donor body. I'm not sure if the Evergreen car siding would be close enough or not. Are the 40ft reefer sides sold on the parts page tooled o have the same board profile as the 36ft double sheathed boxcars?

These camp cars would be for our club's freelanced railroad so "generic" doesn't bother me in this case. The old Walthers models are "ok" I suppose but there is just something about the bunk car that looks dated and chunky to me.

Thanks,
Jason P.

On 06/08/2022 11:26 AM Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:


On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 04:48 PM, Jason P wrote:
Mr Storzek,
With so many of those cars going into MoW use, would Accurail consider some bunk car bodies with windows and end doors to drop over the under frames? We really do not have any camp cars on the market other than the old Walthers/Train Miniatures models.
Jason, I hate to disappoint you, but Ray has the best suggestion. Accurail proved years ago that there is absolutely NO market for MoW cars with series of ill advised MoW pant and lettering offerings on our 40' steel boxcars. As I recall, some of those hung around ten or fifteen YEARS.

Dennis Storzek


Re: MofW models (was Re: Accurail MKT 36’ boxcar)

Jerry Michels
 

I agree Brian,  the Amarillo Railroad Museum bought a slew of these and they are fantastic.  They sure look good on a siding on the layout.  When they are in motion being moved by small steam or a diesel that has been knocked down from mainline freight, they are a show-stopper.

Too bad the market isn't there for a lot of MOW, but they almost have to be brass or resin since they are typically not generic.

Jerry Michels


Re: Stain for wooden barrels

Richard Townsend
 

How about barrels like these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/275339781686?hash=item401b87a636:g:fx0AAOSw9V5inR8z

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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RE: Larger barrels
Try O scale (or #1 scale or gauge...)?
Or dollhouse folks?
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