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Branchline URTX reefer (posting a correction)

Charlie Duckworth
 
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Dennis and Doug
I appreciate your feedback, since looking at Les’ UTLX reefer (same road number btw) I masked off the M&StL rectangle and painted the triangle red.  Dennis the wheels are now period blacked too (thanks).  I also noticed I’d missed painting the door locking mechanism the color of the carbody so that was fixed as well.
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Rusty wheels [was] Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


I call it "muck" or "really mucky muck" :-)

The last 3 wheels on this B&O wheel flat are the color I use for most wheels. I usually use
a touch of "rusty muck" on the back side of the wheels and on the inner axle.

Tim

What is everyone's favorite wheel color?
Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ATSF Fe-13 Heartburn!

Tim O'Connor
 


Champ made a large number of very high-fidelity ATSF 40 foot and 50 foot map sets for box cars
and for SFRD refrigerator cars. They were in the BRH- and HB- groups. They included straight and
curved maps. Probably lots of them still out there... :-)

On 6/12/2022 4:48 PM, Tom Lawler wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I’ve had Sunshine kit 73.x, 12’ 4” IH for decades and finally built the car. Advertised into the ‘50’s but now that I have got it all built and painted I checked my July ‘50 ORER and none are on the roster. Sigh. Apparently the raised roof was removed pre July 1950. It is too cool not to use. A high cube in 1950. I am still going to use the car. 

The decals that came with the car leave something to be desired. The map appears to be oversized compared to the pic in the PDS. You can barely get the dimensional data on the car with the provided map. I ordered a Microscale ATSF 50’ sheet in hopes of fixing that issue. The bigger issue is the way oversized “This car excess height….” lettering (in yellow). It’s at least 50% too big and just not going to fit either on the A or B end of the car. Anyone who built this car got ideas on getting around this issue? 

Thanks,

Tom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rusty wheels [was] Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dennis
Thanks, having worked for a Class One for 38 years I was going off memory.  Easy fix. Thanks 

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 4:22 PM Dennis Storzek <dennis_at_accurail.com_Worth51@...> wrote:
Really nice weathering, Charlie, as on all your cars. But, we need to have a discussion about weathering wheels. Rusty wheel plates is a modern, post roller bearing thing. Solid bearings used a 'total
Really nice weathering, Charlie, as on all your cars. But, we need to have a discussion about weathering wheels. Rusty wheel plates is a modern, post roller bearing thing. Solid bearings used a 'total loss' lube system, where after the oil was drawn up between the axle and bearing, a portion migrated out the back of the journal box (there was no oil seal) where ti was flung out on the face of the wheel. Of course, anything oily in a dusty environment quickly builds a coating of oily grunge. Those cast iron wheels might have started out rusty, but they didn't stay that way long.

What is everyone's favorite wheel color?

Dennis Storzek

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Rusty wheels [was] Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

Really nice weathering, Charlie, as on all your cars. But, we need to have a discussion about weathering wheels. Rusty wheel plates is a modern, post roller bearing thing. Solid bearings used a 'total loss' lube system, where after the oil was drawn up between the axle and bearing, a portion migrated out the back of the journal box (there was no oil seal) where ti was flung out on the face of the wheel. Of course, anything oily in a dusty environment quickly builds a coating of oily grunge. Those cast iron wheels might have started out rusty, but they didn't stay that way long.

What is everyone's favorite wheel color?

Dennis Storzek


ATSF Fe-13 Heartburn!

Tom Lawler
 

Hi Everyone,

I’ve had Sunshine kit 73.x, 12’ 4” IH for decades and finally built the car. Advertised into the ‘50’s but now that I have got it all built and painted I checked my July ‘50 ORER and none are on the roster. Sigh. Apparently the raised roof was removed pre July 1950. It is too cool not to use. A high cube in 1950. I am still going to use the car.

The decals that came with the car leave something to be desired. The map appears to be oversized compared to the pic in the PDS. You can barely get the dimensional data on the car with the provided map. I ordered a Microscale ATSF 50’ sheet in hopes of fixing that issue. The bigger issue is the way oversized “This car excess height….” lettering (in yellow). It’s at least 50% too big and just not going to fit either on the A or B end of the car. Anyone who built this car got ideas on getting around this issue?

Thanks,

Tom


Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Doug
Thanks, I’ve got a bottle of Vallejo flat red so I’ll correct it.  Appreciate the information. 

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:29 PM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr_at_gmail.com_Worth51@...> wrote:
Nice weathering Charlie. There is one small error, not your fault, but rather Branchline's fault. The MSTL herald had three colors, and should have a half red rectangle. As no one makes the correct si
Nice weathering Charlie. There is one small error, not your fault, but rather Branchline's fault. The MSTL herald had three colors, and should have a half red rectangle. As no one makes the correct sized herald, the only recourse is to hand paint the herald. Les Breuer did just that as reported in his blog http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/2020/06/union-refrigerator-transit-line-95503.html 

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:08 PM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’ve been fighting an infection so lots of indoor time on my second prescription hopefully that kicks it soon as I’m not suppose to be in the sun.   Anyway decided to pass the time by finishing the second Branchline reefer kit that was recently given to me.  I scraped away the reweight date of 1937 and bumped it up to 1953 and changed load limit and tare weights slightly.  I wanted to experiment with the brown Vallejo wash and after a light coat of Dullcote mixed with Black and Tan over the carbody I watched the ‘how to’ video again and added some wash around some of the metal pieces.  Watching other videos on how to make your own washing there’s alcohol in the mixture and it seems to settle into the Dullcote pretty quickly so something to watch using it.   I scraped off the Dullcote on a few boards to break up the sides and aged the roof with gray, brown and black pencils.   

As I mentioned with the NWX kit I’d forgot how well these kits were designed. The ice hatch mechanism was very scale like.  Enough typing here’s the car.
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


So Westerfield never did the M&StL paint scheme for this car?

On 6/12/2022 2:29 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Nice weathering Charlie. There is one small error, not your fault, but rather Branchline's fault. The MSTL herald had three colors, and should have a half red rectangle. As no one makes the correct sized herald, the only recourse is to hand paint the herald. Les Breuer did just that as reported in his blog http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/2020/06/union-refrigerator-transit-line-95503.html 

Doug Harding


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Paul Doggett
 


Charlie 

Another great looking car.

Paul Doggett 

On 12 Jun 2022, at 18:36, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:



Very nice, Charlie. The washes really bring out the board detail.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 12:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

 

I’ve been fighting an infection so lots of indoor time on my second prescription hopefully that kicks it soon as I’m not suppose to be in the sun.   Anyway decided to pass the time by finishing the second Branchline reefer kit that was recently given to me.  I scraped away the reweight date of 1937 and bumped it up to 1953 and changed load limit and tare weights slightly.  I wanted to experiment with the brown Vallejo wash and after a light coat of Dullcote mixed with Black and Tan over the carbody I watched the ‘how to’ video again and added some wash around some of the metal pieces.  Watching other videos on how to make your own washing there’s alcohol in the mixture and it seems to settle into the Dullcote pretty quickly so something to watch using it.   I scraped off the Dullcote on a few boards to break up the sides and aged the roof with gray, brown and black pencils.   

As I mentioned with the NWX kit I’d forgot how well these kits were designed. The ice hatch mechanism was very scale like.  Enough typing here’s the car.image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpgimage004.jpg
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Nice weathering Charlie. There is one small error, not your fault, but rather Branchline's fault. The MSTL herald had three colors, and should have a half red rectangle. As no one makes the correct sized herald, the only recourse is to hand paint the herald. Les Breuer did just that as reported in his blog http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/2020/06/union-refrigerator-transit-line-95503.html 

Doug Harding
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad


On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:08 PM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’ve been fighting an infection so lots of indoor time on my second prescription hopefully that kicks it soon as I’m not suppose to be in the sun.   Anyway decided to pass the time by finishing the second Branchline reefer kit that was recently given to me.  I scraped away the reweight date of 1937 and bumped it up to 1953 and changed load limit and tare weights slightly.  I wanted to experiment with the brown Vallejo wash and after a light coat of Dullcote mixed with Black and Tan over the carbody I watched the ‘how to’ video again and added some wash around some of the metal pieces.  Watching other videos on how to make your own washing there’s alcohol in the mixture and it seems to settle into the Dullcote pretty quickly so something to watch using it.   I scraped off the Dullcote on a few boards to break up the sides and aged the roof with gray, brown and black pencils.   

As I mentioned with the NWX kit I’d forgot how well these kits were designed. The ice hatch mechanism was very scale like.  Enough typing here’s the car.
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: ADMIN: STMFC Groups.io Fees

Dave Nelson
 

Jeff, Paypal has a donation method that provides a url for setting up donations.  These are operated by Paypal as an annual donation – they’ll donate once every 12 months.  People who sign up to make a donation can cancel their subscription at any time.  This allows people who want to let the donaction run for an extended time to do so… and those who wish to make a one time donation to do that.

 

With the number of members here and the price  you need to cover I’ll guess a $5 would cover a substantial portion your expenses, perhaps all.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 6:55 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ADMIN: STMFC Groups.io Fees

 

Hi Folks,

 

               On June 3, 2022, I paid the $220.00 annual renewal to Groups.io for RealSTMFC.  Our group is a “Premium” group (as defined by Groups.io), which means that we have plenty of storage, so our emails and attachments don’t get lost / deleted.

 

               I paid last year’s fees ($220.00) out of pocket, and if I remember correctly, the fees for 2020 were paid by a member who wishes to remain anonymous.

 

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Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

Fenton
The roof ends and sides are all one piece so lots of saw work to get to the roof.  Just FYI..
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Nelson Moyer
 

Very nice, Charlie. The washes really bring out the board detail.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 12:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

 

I’ve been fighting an infection so lots of indoor time on my second prescription hopefully that kicks it soon as I’m not suppose to be in the sun.   Anyway decided to pass the time by finishing the second Branchline reefer kit that was recently given to me.  I scraped away the reweight date of 1937 and bumped it up to 1953 and changed load limit and tare weights slightly.  I wanted to experiment with the brown Vallejo wash and after a light coat of Dullcote mixed with Black and Tan over the carbody I watched the ‘how to’ video again and added some wash around some of the metal pieces.  Watching other videos on how to make your own washing there’s alcohol in the mixture and it seems to settle into the Dullcote pretty quickly so something to watch using it.   I scraped off the Dullcote on a few boards to break up the sides and aged the roof with gray, brown and black pencils.   

As I mentioned with the NWX kit I’d forgot how well these kits were designed. The ice hatch mechanism was very scale like.  Enough typing here’s the car.
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

O Fenton Wells
 

Nicely done Charlie, I didn't realize these cars had the wooden roof.  Cool to know for various kitbashing projects.
Fenton

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 1:08 PM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’ve been fighting an infection so lots of indoor time on my second prescription hopefully that kicks it soon as I’m not suppose to be in the sun.   Anyway decided to pass the time by finishing the second Branchline reefer kit that was recently given to me.  I scraped away the reweight date of 1937 and bumped it up to 1953 and changed load limit and tare weights slightly.  I wanted to experiment with the brown Vallejo wash and after a light coat of Dullcote mixed with Black and Tan over the carbody I watched the ‘how to’ video again and added some wash around some of the metal pieces.  Watching other videos on how to make your own washing there’s alcohol in the mixture and it seems to settle into the Dullcote pretty quickly so something to watch using it.   I scraped off the Dullcote on a few boards to break up the sides and aged the roof with gray, brown and black pencils.   

As I mentioned with the NWX kit I’d forgot how well these kits were designed. The ice hatch mechanism was very scale like.  Enough typing here’s the car.
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Branchline UTLX Wood Reefer

Charlie Duckworth
 

I’ve been fighting an infection so lots of indoor time on my second prescription hopefully that kicks it soon as I’m not suppose to be in the sun.   Anyway decided to pass the time by finishing the second Branchline reefer kit that was recently given to me.  I scraped away the reweight date of 1937 and bumped it up to 1953 and changed load limit and tare weights slightly.  I wanted to experiment with the brown Vallejo wash and after a light coat of Dullcote mixed with Black and Tan over the carbody I watched the ‘how to’ video again and added some wash around some of the metal pieces.  Watching other videos on how to make your own washing there’s alcohol in the mixture and it seems to settle into the Dullcote pretty quickly so something to watch using it.   I scraped off the Dullcote on a few boards to break up the sides and aged the roof with gray, brown and black pencils.   

As I mentioned with the NWX kit I’d forgot how well these kits were designed. The ice hatch mechanism was very scale like.  Enough typing here’s the car.
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

 

That’s a big “nope” for me!

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 11:23 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

 


One of the more unusual loads...

Also during much of the construction period the river bed at the dam was completely dry, so vehicles
and equipment could be located there.


On 6/11/2022 12:45 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

Photos from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas

https://special.library.unlv.edu/ark:/62930/d1bz10

https://special.library.unlv.edu/ark:/62930/d1qj65

Photos can be enlarged.

Bob Chaparro

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

Tim O'Connor
 


One of the more unusual loads...

Also during much of the construction period the river bed at the dam was completely dry, so vehicles
and equipment could be located there.


On 6/11/2022 12:45 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

Photos from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas

https://special.library.unlv.edu/ark:/62930/d1bz10

https://special.library.unlv.edu/ark:/62930/d1qj65

Photos can be enlarged.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

Randy Hees
 

The last use of the “Government” railroad connecting the UP at Boulder City to the top of the dam was 1961.  The line was removed in 1963.  The cable hoist is still in place and used to lower heavy equipment down to the power house.  That equipment now arrives via heavy haul truck.

 The last car delivered (and retrieved soon after) was a tank car of mineral oil to fill a transformer.

 

The dam has 17 vertical shaft turbines, each powering a generator, plus two Pelton wheels which are used to make “in-house” power.  At the time the dam was built there was not yet a need or a way to transport all the power the dam could produce, so not all generators were installed.  The final generator was installed in 1961.

 

The Government Railroad was 10 miles long, running from the Union Pacific “Transfer” yard at Boulder City, down grades of as much as 4% down to approximately the elevation of the top of the dam, then along the canyon wall via 5 tunnels to the top of the dam.  Equipment consisted of a 30 ton Davenport gas/mechanical (preserved at the Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City) and a 80 ton whitcomb, built at the end of WWII for European service, having a close clearance cab.

 

The Six Companies construction railroad came off of the Government railroad between 1930 and 1933 or so… it was removed before the dam was completed as water started to be impounded.  It operated a significant fleet of ex Union Pacific 2-8-0s and 2-8-2’s as well as a former Tonopah & Tidewater 4-6-0, several shays and at least 4 Plymouth gasoline locomotives.

 The lower portion of the Government railroad is now a hiking trail… it passes through 5 tunnels, hence its name, the Tunnel Trail.

 

 Randy Hees

 

(retired) Director Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City


Re: ADMIN: STMFC Groups.io Fees

Mike Settle
 

I'll send a contribution as soon as my cash deposit to Paypal clears.

Mike Settle


Re: Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

Jim Betz
 

  ... and let's not forget that all of that overhead rigging was already in place and used to
      build the dam and it already crossed the RR tracks at one/both sides of the dam - so
      setting up to put a box car full of supplies down to the base of the dam was an easy
      deal for the crew.  We'll never know but I'm guessing that there was some heavy
      stuff in the car that would be used to equip the turbines/what ever.
  And this was not the only time that a box car was lowered into this dam ... I'm willing to
bet it wasn't an 'unusual' occurence and happened often enough that the shot was a
happy accident for the photographer.
                                                                                              - Jim in the PNW

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