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Re: Seeking Santa Fe Help

Tom Madden
 

The Santa Fe society's refrigerator car book, page 257, says the boxcars converted for ice service were painted "....the same colors as M-W cars. Battleship gray - entire car bodies, including underfame and trucks. Black - flexible metal-sheathed roofs and running boards, lettering. Mineral Brown - wood-sheathed roofs and running boards."

I took the attached photo of a former Bx-3 (or 6) at the Grand Canyon in September 1961. Roof color not obvious but everything else is certainly gray.

Tom Madden


Re: Seeking Santa Fe Help

bigfourroad
 

Santa Fe is well covered by exhaustive historical research.  Have you contacted the Historical and Modeling Society or John R. Signor about this?
Santa Fe Painting and Lettering Guide is one its 10th volume.
Chris Rooney


Re: Baggage Car As An Airplane Parts Carrier

Doug Chapman
 

Two more photos of Erie #191, as the Vin Fiz car, are found on this website.
http://thepublici.blogspot.com/2008_11_06_archive.html

Doug Chapman
Manassas, VA


Photo: Tonopah & Tidewater Boxcar 130 (1940)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tonopah & Tidewater Boxcar 130 (1940)

Photos from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas

https://special.library.unlv.edu/ark:/62930/d1jm23m03

Photo can be enlarged.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Baggage Car As An Airplane Parts Carrier

Steven D Johnson
 

Bruce,

This article shows some images that may narrow down the car's color scheme (at least a lot of the lettering) a bit:


https://hearinghealthmatters.org/hearinginternational/2016/flight-vin-fiz-part-ii/


Google "Vin Fiz Grape Drink" and you'll find other color images of advertising, etc.


Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Baggage Car As An Airplane Parts Carrier

Thanks, James, for this additional information. Perhaps the reason for the failure of Vin Wiz was the startup company’s large numbers of executives, as listed for the junket. Not a lean business machine. Were they all sleeping in the baggage car??

If I had to guess I’d say Purple lettering on the white car. Unusual, sure, but it was a marketing campaign for grape soda.

I am curious as I’ve never seen the term “chauffeur” used in connection with railroading. What this a thing, or a misuse by the reporter? I assume this was akin to a Pullman porter.

Thanks again for more information on an usual car.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

 

Tell that to Microsoft Outlook. It took me to Facebook. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jun 14, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:



Richard,


Thanks for the message. It appears that the issue is with what you thought you were doing. You incorrectly copied the SOURCE of the URL, not the URL. Because I post the announcement on both Facebook and on multiple mailing lists, this time I happened to compose the facebook announcement first and then copied it to an email to send to all the relevant lists. When you hover over the URL for the Keystone Modeler, you are not seeing the actual URL, you are seeing where that URL was copied from. You should not be doing that. If you have a competent email reader, or are reading your email on the list web page, you can simply click on the URL imbedded in the text. In this case, that would take you directly to the correct web site. If you experience any trouble with that, you should truncate the link to the core URL https://prrths.org which will get you to the homepage, from which you can select “Keystone Modeler” and work your way through the pages to select the issue to download. I didn’t do that because it is difficult for some of the members of the lists I sent this announcement to, to work their way through more than one page to get to something 😉

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "fire5506 via groups.io" <fire5506@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, June 13, 2022 at 10:56 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The link sends you to Facebook which then asks if you want to continue to the webpage.
This is the link when you copy and paste it:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prrths.org%2Fcontent.aspx%3Fpage_id%3D22%26club_id%3D171391%26module_id%3D451730%26fbclid%3DIwAR1x-64boSD9qFvuhKhS3Ap45W9g5X4ZIzbOQ5x4CXxGRO7Yjc1QVQ-UouI&h=AT0s5TWRNJt-PbLdnxbyKd_Faasag_J4LWhRVCa-bkkmEJf2gQaj2oGPPV1pb5rokW89ObBmEde9qaO4Etg2dpCNHU8NdbIHnzZtHXs4mhLYyIA3Qgg5y-AzXwaHdgs1_V9tY3A&__tn__=-UK-R&c%5B0%5D=AT3qbvDA8IcnY61U-ytwuSKQfTtmRSIvzV2LdZwiCQCBit_UL4bWVRgbzvlBvxI5sZsEtHP1lG-7RDp1DfI_WJQzrtYcBPI2l_5U1oaKS7MNL_XEqb83ZYOAJyYc2nOGw3-tBRjwOZz-d-LcqwbuyFVcStdE6nfRseO5SDFMDdP72Q8TMA

Richard Webster


Re: Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

Bruce Smith
 

Richard,


Thanks for the message. It appears that the issue is with what you thought you were doing. You incorrectly copied the SOURCE of the URL, not the URL. Because I post the announcement on both Facebook and on multiple mailing lists, this time I happened to compose the facebook announcement first and then copied it to an email to send to all the relevant lists. When you hover over the URL for the Keystone Modeler, you are not seeing the actual URL, you are seeing where that URL was copied from. You should not be doing that. If you have a competent email reader, or are reading your email on the list web page, you can simply click on the URL imbedded in the text. In this case, that would take you directly to the correct web site. If you experience any trouble with that, you should truncate the link to the core URL https://prrths.org which will get you to the homepage, from which you can select “Keystone Modeler” and work your way through the pages to select the issue to download. I didn’t do that because it is difficult for some of the members of the lists I sent this announcement to, to work their way through more than one page to get to something 😉

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "fire5506 via groups.io" <fire5506@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Monday, June 13, 2022 at 10:56 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.

The link sends you to Facebook which then asks if you want to continue to the webpage.
This is the link when you copy and paste it:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prrths.org%2Fcontent.aspx%3Fpage_id%3D22%26club_id%3D171391%26module_id%3D451730%26fbclid%3DIwAR1x-64boSD9qFvuhKhS3Ap45W9g5X4ZIzbOQ5x4CXxGRO7Yjc1QVQ-UouI&h=AT0s5TWRNJt-PbLdnxbyKd_Faasag_J4LWhRVCa-bkkmEJf2gQaj2oGPPV1pb5rokW89ObBmEde9qaO4Etg2dpCNHU8NdbIHnzZtHXs4mhLYyIA3Qgg5y-AzXwaHdgs1_V9tY3A&__tn__=-UK-R&c%5B0%5D=AT3qbvDA8IcnY61U-ytwuSKQfTtmRSIvzV2LdZwiCQCBit_UL4bWVRgbzvlBvxI5sZsEtHP1lG-7RDp1DfI_WJQzrtYcBPI2l_5U1oaKS7MNL_XEqb83ZYOAJyYc2nOGw3-tBRjwOZz-d-LcqwbuyFVcStdE6nfRseO5SDFMDdP72Q8TMA

Richard Webster


Re: Water-Base Clear Flat Coating

Scott
 

 
 Kevin, the armored modelers seem to use "Varnish" as a generic term for all the clear coats.  It's not wood working varnish if that's what you are thinking. 

Scott McDonald


Re: Water-Base Clear Flat Coating

Ken Adams
 

I tried some Vallejo 70.520 Matte Varnish yesterday for covering some chalk mark decals added over previous weathering washes and would not recommend it  Now going back to rattle can Tamiya TS-80 clear flat. 

I will lightly dust Bragdon Enterprises light beige weathering powder over that clear flat coat when dry. That usually kills any remaining sheen.  I haven't tried the light "Israeli Sand" powders from Vallejo or AK yet.  I'll have to experiment for back ups just in case I loose the Bragdon powders supply.  These days one has to be prepared in case a small US manufacturer in this case, I think a family business disappears suddenly. 

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Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Baggage Car As An Airplane Parts Carrier

Bruce Hendrick
 

Thanks, James, for this additional information. Perhaps the reason for the failure of Vin Wiz was the startup company’s large numbers of executives, as listed for the junket. Not a lean business machine. Were they all sleeping in the baggage car??

If I had to guess I’d say Purple lettering on the white car. Unusual, sure, but it was a marketing campaign for grape soda.

I am curious as I’ve never seen the term “chauffeur” used in connection with railroading. What this a thing, or a misuse by the reporter? I assume this was akin to a Pullman porter.

Thanks again for more information on an usual car.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California


Re: Water-Base Clear Flat Coating

Joseph
 

VMS from Michigan Toy Soldier is also very good.  Plus it is from Poland!
Joe Binish(Bincz)

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 9:10 AM loumickie <loumickie@...> wrote:
I use Tamiya Clear Flat XF-86 thinned with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner. Dries flat and then you can go over it with oil washes without any issues. Here's a quick example that I just sprayed...


Re: Seeking Santa Fe Help

Bob Chaparro
 

Tony Thompson modeled a Santa Fe ice service car. I'm not sure if it was a converted Bx-6 but I am sure Tony did the prototype research.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Water-Base Clear Flat Coating

loumickie
 

I use Tamiya Clear Flat XF-86 thinned with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner. Dries flat and then you can go over it with oil washes without any issues. Here's a quick example that I just sprayed...


Re: Photos: Boxcar Being Lowered At Hoover Dam (Circa 1931-1935)

David Wiggs
 

It was previously commented on that the rectangular lifting platform might fit into the rectangular cut in the floor below and I certainly believe that.  If you look closely, you can see that two rails in the concrete would line up with the two rails on the platform, and those connect with a track close by.

davo in Orlando


Re: Water-Base Clear Flat Coating

Kevin Macomber
 

Can you tell me more? The word 'varnish' means something quite unique and don't think of it for models.

Kevin

On 2022-06-14 01:41, Scott wrote:
Check out Lucky Varnish from Ammo by Mig and Mission models flats.
Both work really well. Always practice on some astic spoons or
something before putting on model.
Scott McDonald
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PFE R-30-9

Eric Hansmann
 

An old model from Frank Hodina’s vault is featured on the latest Resin Car Works blog post. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Water-Base Clear Flat Coating

Scott
 

Check out Lucky Varnish from Ammo by Mig and Mission models flats.  Both work really well.  Always practice on some astic spoons or something before putting on model.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

fire5506
 

The link sends you to Facebook which then asks if you want to continue to the webpage.
This is the link when you copy and paste it:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prrths.org%2Fcontent.aspx%3Fpage_id%3D22%26club_id%3D171391%26module_id%3D451730%26fbclid%3DIwAR1x-64boSD9qFvuhKhS3Ap45W9g5X4ZIzbOQ5x4CXxGRO7Yjc1QVQ-UouI&h=AT0s5TWRNJt-PbLdnxbyKd_Faasag_J4LWhRVCa-bkkmEJf2gQaj2oGPPV1pb5rokW89ObBmEde9qaO4Etg2dpCNHU8NdbIHnzZtHXs4mhLYyIA3Qgg5y-AzXwaHdgs1_V9tY3A&__tn__=-UK-R&c%5B0%5D=AT3qbvDA8IcnY61U-ytwuSKQfTtmRSIvzV2LdZwiCQCBit_UL4bWVRgbzvlBvxI5sZsEtHP1lG-7RDp1DfI_WJQzrtYcBPI2l_5U1oaKS7MNL_XEqb83ZYOAJyYc2nOGw3-tBRjwOZz-d-LcqwbuyFVcStdE6nfRseO5SDFMDdP72Q8TMA

Richard Webster


Re: Baggage Car As An Airplane Parts Carrier

James McDonald
 

Hello all,

I believe Ian is correct. From newspaper reports it appears that the Erie was materially involved in the cross-country flight and provided the car, at least for part of the journey. Attached is a clipping describing the car as painted white. Source is the Lake County Times, October 6, 1911 page 7 in the collection of the Library of Congress.

Bob mentioned that Vin Fiz didn’t catch on. This may be in part because at least some places were serving it as a hot beverage rather than a cold one. Mmmm. Hot grape soda. Sign me up.

Take care,

James McDonald
Greenbelt, Maryland


Re: Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

Kevin Macomber
 

Thank you for sharing.

On 2022-06-13 09:00, Bruce Smith wrote:
Folks,
The Spring 2022 issue of The Keystone Modeler, our 120th issue, is now
ready for download from our web site at
https://www.prrths.org/content.aspx?page_id=22... [1]
The Keystone Modeler is a free E-zine produced quarterly by the
Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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[3] https://groups.io/mt/91727048/645454
[4] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/post
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