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Re: Photo: Oil Loading Rack

Tony Thompson
 

Edward Sutorik wrote:

Wow. Not a ladder in sight, going up to the domes.
The car on the left (I'm assuming UTLX 639 or 629) has a curious mid-car tank hold-down rig, that goes around the dome . . .
This was to prevent rotation around the long axis of the tank, before the introduction of center anchors for tank cars.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Photo: Oil Loading Rack

spsalso
 

Wow.  Not a ladder in sight, going up to the domes.

The car on the left (I'm assuming UTLX 639 or 629) has a curious mid-car tank hold-down rig, that goes around the dome.  And a railing, instead of a handrail, along the tank.  I see at least two similar cars on the other track, and it appears they also have the goofy mid-car hold-down.

In 1926, there were 190 cars in the series 551-999.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Photo: Oil Loading Rack

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Oil Loading Rack

A photo from the Gateway To Oklahoma History website:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1593835/m1/1/?q=Loading

Photo editing software should improve the lighting of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Trussrod flat car KCS 021625 with bouy load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,


Trussrod flat car KCS 021625 with bouy load as published in the TEXACO STAR Feb 1918 issue - see attached


Enjoy!


Claus Schlund


Re: NP, MILW & M&StL ??? c.1939

Clark Propst
 

The M&StL 25000e series were all used cars.
25000-25298 from PM 1937-1953
25400-25898 from PM 1939-1953
25300-25898 from ? 1940-1953
Info from Gene Green


Re: Wood grain doors

Guy Wilber
 

Rich wrote:

“As an early 1950’s New England modeler, I’m wondering if a car with grain doors would ever show up in that part of the world.”

One option would be bulk shipments of various types of animal feed for use in both the dairy and poultry trade (dressed chickens and eggs) within New England.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Oil and Gas Distribution - Post WW-II

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  Here is what I remember - growing up in a small town in Washington State.

  Gas and Diesel came to town in both tank cars (more) and trucks and was
delivered to an oil dealer.  From the oil dealers it went out to gas stations
and such - nearing the end of this list we started to see "Truck Stops"
becoming a much bigger deal than before.  It was an every day sight to
see a tank car spotted at the Standard dealer and a fleet of trucks coming
and going for local deliveries.  Just a few miles East of Anacortes were
the agricultural areas of the Skagit Valley which had their own dealers.
  In the early and middle 50's we had 2 refineries that were built just outside
of town.  These brought in crude from Alaska and shipped out a variety of
products by tank cars (more) and trucks.  I do not remember them shipping
out finished product in the same tanker ships that brought in the crude - but
that may have been done (to get product up to Alaska).
  Sorry, but I don't remember where the next closest refineries were.

  I think of this as the basic model for oil and gas in the 50's - all across the
U.S. - in this era.  Correct?
                                                                                        - Jim in the PNW


Re: Wood grain doors

Bob Chaparro
 

A few more photos.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery (1949)

Dave Parker
 

Sorry Alex, I don't.  The Hathi Trust collection only runs through 1923.  I do know that the magazine persisted for many years, eventually becoming the Pipeline and Gas Journal.  I also don't know if this list of refineries was published regularly.

That said, I just remembered a 1948 USDI Refinery Report that I am attaching here.  This may be more helpful to post-WWII modelers.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Wood grain doors

Rich Gibson
 

Thanks Nelson, that helps a lot. I was wondering why I’ve never seen any in photos of my model subjects. That explains it. 

Rich


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery (1949)

Alex Schneider
 

Dave,  the list you provided is very informative but well before my modeling era. Do you have any postwar editions or any suggestions where collections of Oildom are held by libraries?

Thanks 

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:35 AM, Dave Parker via groups.io
<spottab@...> wrote:
In the main, I agree with Ken, as long as "any" is broadly defined.  I've attached a 1921 list of refineries from the trade journal Oildom, as it might provide some insights about refinery locations -- at least for pre-WWII modelers.

When I first started digging into this topic several years ago, I was surprised to learn that New England actually had a half dozen or so refineries -- two in Providence, the remainder in Mass.  They were all located so as to receive crude by boat, as there no pipelines in New England.  They are long gone now, but I have never tried to track down their dates of closure, except that I know that the Fall River facility was converted to a terminal  by Shell in 1929.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Wood grain doors

Jared Harper
 

Wow!  Thanks.  I should have known that you are the go to person for odd requests.  Based on your photos I am going to have to make a lot more.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Wood grain doors

Jared Harper
 

Thanks.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery (1949)

Dave Parker
 

In the main, I agree with Ken, as long as "any" is broadly defined.  I've attached a 1921 list of refineries from the trade journal Oildom, as it might provide some insights about refinery locations -- at least for pre-WWII modelers.

When I first started digging into this topic several years ago, I was surprised to learn that New England actually had a half dozen or so refineries -- two in Providence, the remainder in Mass.  They were all located so as to receive crude by boat, as there no pipelines in New England.  They are long gone now, but I have never tried to track down their dates of closure, except that I know that the Fall River facility was converted to a terminal  by Shell in 1929.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


New member checking in

Jim Pattison
 

Hi,

I model the SP but am interested in having at least semi realistic models of other road’s cars in my trains which led me here.  I hope that I can pick the collective brains about models that are available of freight cars from before 1957. 

I do have a few books on SP freight cars so might be able to help if someone is looking  for info about them.

 

Jim Pattison

Modeling part of the SP coast line circa 1957

In Mossyrock, WA


Re: Wood grain doors

Robert kirkham
 

not sure about New England, but in Vancouver BC (which is a long ways from the grain belt) there were dedicated storage buildings for grain doors from sometime in the 1920s until boxcars ceased to be used.  If grain was moving to a flour mill, or export terminal, or anything else, i imagine you’d find them.

Rob   

On Jun 20, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Rich Gibson via groups.io <richgibson89@...> wrote:

Hi all, I feel a bit hesitant to ask this, but as a non-granger road modeler, I hope that I will be forgiven…
Over what distance range were grain doors used? Were they used primarily in ‘local’ transport of bulk grain from elevators to mills or could they be found far afield from the bulk grain origin point? As an early 1950’s New England modeler, I’m wondering if a car with grain doors would ever show up in that part of the world. 
Thanks for tolerating what might be a stupid question. 

Rich Gibson
Golden, CO



Re: NP, MILW & M&StL ??? c.1939

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 05:36 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Looking at the photo a little more closely, i’m thinking the car with the Murphy 5/5/5 end is lettered M&StL.  It has an illegible 5 digit number, so - guessing here - i’m assuming it is a USRA (or clone) double sheathed car in the 25000-25898 series (2 remaining in the Jan 1953 ORER).  As you note, that makes it 9’ IH. 
It is definitely a USRA DS car, you can tell by the shape of the poling pocket castings, also the castings that anchor diagonal tie rods one third of the way up the ends, which the SS cars lack. As to being a clone, all the clones I'm familiar with were built with 7/8 ends and a lower IH.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wood grain doors

Nelson Moyer
 

Unless a car is being loaded or unloaded, you will  never see grain doors because the car doors are closed and sealed while the car is in transit. I see trains with open box car doors,  grain doors and loads on model railroads, but that’s not prototypical. It’s OK to have a car with open doors spotted by an elevator for loading or unloading, but not OK on moving cars except when an elevator car puller is in operation.

 

Grain doors were stenciled for return to the railroad owning them. I guess it’s OK to have a small stack of grain doors next to an elevator, feed mill, or freight house waiting to be returned.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Hi all, I feel a bit hesitant to ask this, but as a non-granger road modeler, I hope that I will be forgiven…
Over what distance range were grain doors used? Were they used primarily in ‘local’ transport of bulk grain from elevators to mills or could they be found far afield from the bulk grain origin point? As an early 1950’s New England modeler, I’m wondering if a car with grain doors would ever show up in that part of the world. 
Thanks for tolerating what might be a stupid question. 

Rich Gibson

 


Re: Wood grain doors

Rich Gibson
 

Hi all, I feel a bit hesitant to ask this, but as a non-granger road modeler, I hope that I will be forgiven…
Over what distance range were grain doors used? Were they used primarily in ‘local’ transport of bulk grain from elevators to mills or could they be found far afield from the bulk grain origin point? As an early 1950’s New England modeler, I’m wondering if a car with grain doors would ever show up in that part of the world. 
Thanks for tolerating what might be a stupid question. 

Rich Gibson
Golden, CO


Re: NP, MILW & M&StL ??? c.1939

Hudson Leighton
 

NP 49210 was dismantled 4-12-1944.

-Hudson

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