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Re: Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


I wonder if these were 1st responder training cars? The assortment of hatch types seems a little odd otherwise.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] [RealSTMFC] Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

 

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Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Photo by Stephen R. Santangelo on the Facebook The Freight Car Enthusiast group.

He comments (2021):

“Caught these nearly 40 years ago at the refineries near the Los Angeles/Long Beach Harbors...Spent many years shooting in this area.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Photo by Stephen R. Santangelo on the Facebook The Freight Car Enthusiast group.

He comments (2021):

“Caught these nearly 40 years ago at the refineries near the Los Angeles/Long Beach Harbors...Spent many years shooting in this area.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Update: Rapido Santa Fe Rr-56 Mechanical Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Update: Rapido Santa Fe Rr-56 Mechanical Reefer

These are photos I took last week at the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society convention in Overland Park, KS.

This HO scale model is in production, and I’ve seen photos of the reefer in the factory paint shop.

Look for deliver around August.

For background on this model: https://rapidotrains.com/ho-scale/freight-car/atsf-reefer.html

The prototype cars first appeared in 1955. Even today some of these cars serve on the BNSF as buffer cars and M-O-W cars, a role they also had on the Santa Fe.

These cars overlap the ice bunker refrigerator car era by twenty years and these mechanical reefers could be seen trains mixed in with the ice bunker cars.

This car is visibly the same as Class Rr-60 and Rr-61 mechanical reefers. Santa Fe converted many of these cars into Class Bx-165 and Bx-202 insulated boxcars.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Robert Heninger
 

Dennis,

These cars (500) were built as door and half (10' wide door opening) autocars by ACF in 1923, and in the 1938-1939 timeframe, 300 were rebuilt as 6' door boxcars by GN, with the remaining 200 cars rebuilt as double door cars with a 12' opening. 100 received Youngstown doors, and 100 received wooden doors. So this particular car is no doubt in good shape as it has been recently rebuilt.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND 


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 01:10 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
That car's end looks like it has a 6-5-5 rib pattern, one too many for USRA.
Brian, you are absolutely right... and I have egg on my face. So, I looked at the photo at higher resolution, and can now see it was built in 1923 and is both higher (IH 10'-0") and wider than the original. It's a clone, built to the same basic design, even to the features I pointed out , but to larger dimensions.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Jim Betz
 

Bob/all,
  This early logo lasted until 1941 when the first of the "side facing goats" started 
to be applied.  Of course it was still possible to see the "forward facing goats"
well beyond the introduction of the side in '41 - think "new cars and repaints"
got side facing goats after 1941 and you have it.
                                                                                                    - Jim in the PNW


Found on the side of the road

Jeffrey White
 

I am working in the Delta Region of Arkansas.  Today I was running north on Arkansas 1 and found this tank car about 4 miles north of Wynne.
I'm guessing this car ended it's life in company service.
 
Jeff White
Alma IL (Temporarily in Forrest City, AR)


Thanks to everyone who supplied grain door info.

Jared Harper
 

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

brianleppert@att.net
 

That car's end looks like it has a 6-5-5 rib pattern, one too many for USRA.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Robert kirkham
 

hi Dennis,

Can you comment a little more fully on why you think the car is re-sheathed.  Looking for a sense of spotting features.

Rob

On Jun 21, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 09:49 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718317/resource/

A USRA double sheath car that has been re-sheathed and equipped with a Youngstown door. This photo well illustrates the spotting features I mentioned yesterday; the shape of the poling pocket casting, which caps the end of the inset side sill, and the casting that anchors the diagonal rod 1/3 of the way up the end.

Not so evident is the fact that the ends are wider than on the USRA SS cars, those only have to cover the ends of the sheathing which is in line with the side sill. On the SS car the diagonal rod from the sill to the end was replaced by a flat strap on the outside of the sheathing. The diagonal rod wasn't unique to the USRA cars; other double sheathed cars with steel frames built around the same time also used it, most notably the NYC 36' and 40' cars.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Westerfield USRA SS Ann Arbor boxcar

Robert Allan
 

Lots of good modeling here: AA car, building, and other freight cars. I like the SLSF box with the sacks inside. Reminds me of my sojourn in Atchison.

Bob
Omaha


Re: Trussrod flat car KCS 021625 with bouy load

Robert G P
 

Thanks Dennis!


On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 12:05 PM Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 05:24 PM, Robert G P wrote:
What type of trucks are those?
Fox trucks, which were pressed steel pedestal type trucks.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 09:49 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718317/resource/

A USRA double sheath car that has been re-sheathed and equipped with a Youngstown door. This photo well illustrates the spotting features I mentioned yesterday; the shape of the poling pocket casting, which caps the end of the inset side sill, and the casting that anchors the diagonal rod 1/3 of the way up the end.

Not so evident is the fact that the ends are wider than on the USRA SS cars, those only have to cover the ends of the sheathing which is in line with the side sill. On the SS car the diagonal rod from the sill to the end was replaced by a flat strap on the outside of the sheathing. The diagonal rod wasn't unique to the USRA cars; other double sheathed cars with steel frames built around the same time also used it, most notably the NYC 36' and 40' cars.

Dennis Storzek


Photo: Railroad Yards - Minneapolis, Minnesota (1939)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Railroad Yards - Minneapolis, Minnesota (1939)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718495/resource/

Good assortment of period freight cars.
Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718317/resource/

For George Clooney - Goats who stare at men.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Trussrod flat car KCS 021625 with bouy load

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 05:24 PM, Robert G P wrote:
What type of trucks are those?
Fox trucks, which were pressed steel pedestal type trucks.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Westerfield USRA SS Ann Arbor boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

I really like the mill.

Paul Doggett 


On 21 Jun 2022, at 16:34, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:



Fenton
I scratch built the feed mill based on field measurements and photos.  The center structure was missing due to a fire but the current owner had some old calendars and photos that showed me how it looked.  The basement was a chick hatchery.  I’ve found paper flour sacks on eBay from the mill.   Here’s a few images. 

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Westerfield USRA SS Ann Arbor boxcar

Charlie Duckworth
 

Fenton
I scratch built the feed mill based on field measurements and photos.  The center structure was missing due to a fire but the current owner had some old calendars and photos that showed me how it looked.  The basement was a chick hatchery.  I’ve found paper flour sacks on eBay from the mill.   Here’s a few images. 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Westerfield USRA SS Ann Arbor boxcar

Robert kirkham
 

Those kits build into a nice looking model. 

The Ann Arbor lettering always seems more modern to my eyes that most of the other lines.  I wonder why they had the large name so early . . .

Rob    

On Jun 21, 2022, at 5:16 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:

When Rapido announced they were going to make the USRA SS boxcars RTR two Westerfield kits showed up on eBay for $20 each.  I built one as a Milwaukee Road and the other for the Ann Arbor.  Just completed the AA last night. 

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.



Re: Westerfield USRA SS Ann Arbor boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 
Very nice .

Paul Doggett 

On 21 Jun 2022, at 13:16, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:



When Rapido announced they were going to make the USRA SS boxcars RTR two Westerfield kits showed up on eBay for $20 each.  I built one as a Milwaukee Road and the other for the Ann Arbor.  Just completed the AA last night. 

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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