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Re: New member checking in

Jim Pattison
 

Hi Phil, I don’t have any of the conductor’s train books, but that work has already been done for the SP Coast Line by Tony Thompson.  The questions I imagine asking are along the line of, is the Bowser model of a Wabash round top box car correct, sort of correct, or totally wrong?

Jim Pattison

 


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HI Tim,

HO

Jim

Funny message.

If you have access to conductor's train books, I would recommend analyzing those until you have a large sample of cars. The results can differ somewhat from the various formulas that are often used by modelers. For example, I model the NYC and use data/consists from canadasouthern.com, which means that the railroads that are highly represented in my collection are different from someone who uses certain formulas. This also allows me to adapt cars to my given locale and figure out which oddballs are reasonable to include or should be included.

-Phil Lee


Re: New member checking in

nyc3001 .
 

HI Tim,

HO

Jim

Funny message.

If you have access to conductor's train books, I would recommend analyzing those until you have a large sample of cars. The results can differ somewhat from the various formulas that are often used by modelers. For example, I model the NYC and use data/consists from canadasouthern.com, which means that the railroads that are highly represented in my collection are different from someone who uses certain formulas. This also allows me to adapt cars to my given locale and figure out which oddballs are reasonable to include or should be included.

-Phil Lee


Re: New member checking in

Jim Pattison
 

HI Tim,

HO

Jim

 


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Jim

your scale ?

On 6/19/2022 5:33 PM, Jim Pattison wrote:

Hi,

I model the SP but am interested in having at least semi realistic models of other road’s cars in my trains which led me here.  I hope that I can pick the collective brains about models that are available of freight cars from before 1957. 

I do have a few books on SP freight cars so might be able to help if someone is looking  for info about them.

 

Jim Pattison

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: New member checking in

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

your scale ?

On 6/19/2022 5:33 PM, Jim Pattison wrote:

Hi,

I model the SP but am interested in having at least semi realistic models of other road’s cars in my trains which led me here.  I hope that I can pick the collective brains about models that are available of freight cars from before 1957. 

I do have a few books on SP freight cars so might be able to help if someone is looking  for info about them.

 

Jim Pattison



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Found on the side of the road

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

The rule was one safety valve for up to 6,000 gallons. Any size tank over that had to have two valves.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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The only source I've found for that twin L-mount safety vent on the dome in HO is Owl Mountain Models. It's in brass, so is pricey. Single L-mount vents are available, but I also like the twins since they were apparently used on cars exceeding 8,000 gals. capacity.
I asked Don Tichy if he had same in plastic (I think his parts line has good detail in that material). He said "no", but thought it would make an interesting project (maybe encouraging remark?). 

I'd like to grind down the top-mount vents on a few 10,000 gal. cars I have and replace them with this design on the dome side. They'd represent early-production cars that hadn't been upgraded with top-mount vents. 

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL


Re: Spring 2022 Keystone Modeler

G.J. Irwin
 

To go around the Facebook page, try this link:

https://www.prrths.org/content.aspx?page_id=86&club_id=171391&item_id=112154

Note that only the last four issues are available now for free download.  All previous issues are available to be purchased on CD.  This is a change from the prior protocol, but I don't know when that change was made.

Cheers,
George Irwin


Re: Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Jack Mullen
 

The markings also suggest that these are for training rather than actual service. SCCX 169 is marked CAPY XXXXXX LTWT XXXXXX, and the third compartment is marked BUTANE. Both cars have dashed lines delimiting the compartments, and neither car has the normal  stencilled tank data.  I wish I could read the other lettering.
Maybe these are for emergency response training, or perhaps for training loading/unloading personnel, or both.

Jack Mullen


Re: Found on the side of the road

Charles Greene
 

The only source I've found for that twin L-mount safety vent on the dome in HO is Owl Mountain Models. It's in brass, so is pricey. Single L-mount vents are available, but I also like the twins since they were apparently used on cars exceeding 8,000 gals. capacity.
I asked Don Tichy if he had same in plastic (I think his parts line has good detail in that material). He said "no", but thought it would make an interesting project (maybe encouraging remark?). 

I'd like to grind down the top-mount vents on a few 10,000 gal. cars I have and replace them with this design on the dome side. They'd represent early-production cars that hadn't been upgraded with top-mount vents. 

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL


Re: Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:45 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
I wonder if these were 1st responder training cars? The assortment of hatch types seems a little odd otherwise.
That and the added railings. The railings around the center dome on the car in the first look to be built of temporary scaffold railing parts.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


I wonder if these were 1st responder training cars? The assortment of hatch types seems a little odd otherwise.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Photo by Stephen R. Santangelo on the Facebook The Freight Car Enthusiast group.

He comments (2021):

“Caught these nearly 40 years ago at the refineries near the Los Angeles/Long Beach Harbors...Spent many years shooting in this area.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: SCCX Tank Cars 167 & 169

Photo by Stephen R. Santangelo on the Facebook The Freight Car Enthusiast group.

He comments (2021):

“Caught these nearly 40 years ago at the refineries near the Los Angeles/Long Beach Harbors...Spent many years shooting in this area.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Update: Rapido Santa Fe Rr-56 Mechanical Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Update: Rapido Santa Fe Rr-56 Mechanical Reefer

These are photos I took last week at the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society convention in Overland Park, KS.

This HO scale model is in production, and I’ve seen photos of the reefer in the factory paint shop.

Look for deliver around August.

For background on this model: https://rapidotrains.com/ho-scale/freight-car/atsf-reefer.html

The prototype cars first appeared in 1955. Even today some of these cars serve on the BNSF as buffer cars and M-O-W cars, a role they also had on the Santa Fe.

These cars overlap the ice bunker refrigerator car era by twenty years and these mechanical reefers could be seen trains mixed in with the ice bunker cars.

This car is visibly the same as Class Rr-60 and Rr-61 mechanical reefers. Santa Fe converted many of these cars into Class Bx-165 and Bx-202 insulated boxcars.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Robert Heninger
 

Dennis,

These cars (500) were built as door and half (10' wide door opening) autocars by ACF in 1923, and in the 1938-1939 timeframe, 300 were rebuilt as 6' door boxcars by GN, with the remaining 200 cars rebuilt as double door cars with a 12' opening. 100 received Youngstown doors, and 100 received wooden doors. So this particular car is no doubt in good shape as it has been recently rebuilt.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND 


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 01:10 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
That car's end looks like it has a 6-5-5 rib pattern, one too many for USRA.
Brian, you are absolutely right... and I have egg on my face. So, I looked at the photo at higher resolution, and can now see it was built in 1923 and is both higher (IH 10'-0") and wider than the original. It's a clone, built to the same basic design, even to the features I pointed out , but to larger dimensions.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Jim Betz
 

Bob/all,
  This early logo lasted until 1941 when the first of the "side facing goats" started 
to be applied.  Of course it was still possible to see the "forward facing goats"
well beyond the introduction of the side in '41 - think "new cars and repaints"
got side facing goats after 1941 and you have it.
                                                                                                    - Jim in the PNW


Found on the side of the road

Jeffrey White
 

I am working in the Delta Region of Arkansas.  Today I was running north on Arkansas 1 and found this tank car about 4 miles north of Wynne.
I'm guessing this car ended it's life in company service.
 
Jeff White
Alma IL (Temporarily in Forrest City, AR)


Thanks to everyone who supplied grain door info.

Jared Harper
 

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

brianleppert@att.net
 

That car's end looks like it has a 6-5-5 rib pattern, one too many for USRA.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Robert kirkham
 

hi Dennis,

Can you comment a little more fully on why you think the car is re-sheathed.  Looking for a sense of spotting features.

Rob

On Jun 21, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Dennis Storzek <dennis@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 09:49 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Forward Facing Great Northern Rocky (1939)

Photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017718317/resource/

A USRA double sheath car that has been re-sheathed and equipped with a Youngstown door. This photo well illustrates the spotting features I mentioned yesterday; the shape of the poling pocket casting, which caps the end of the inset side sill, and the casting that anchors the diagonal rod 1/3 of the way up the end.

Not so evident is the fact that the ends are wider than on the USRA SS cars, those only have to cover the ends of the sheathing which is in line with the side sill. On the SS car the diagonal rod from the sill to the end was replaced by a flat strap on the outside of the sheathing. The diagonal rod wasn't unique to the USRA cars; other double sheathed cars with steel frames built around the same time also used it, most notably the NYC 36' and 40' cars.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Westerfield USRA SS Ann Arbor boxcar

Robert Allan
 

Lots of good modeling here: AA car, building, and other freight cars. I like the SLSF box with the sacks inside. Reminds me of my sojourn in Atchison.

Bob
Omaha

3741 - 3760 of 197074