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Re: Hide Cars - perhaps not the last wood, however....

G.J. Irwin
 

What, no mention of "tankage"?  (You don't want to know.)

I did need to look up "copra."  "Copra refers to the dried coconut kernels from which coconut oil is expelled" -- thank you, Wikipedians.

--George Irwin
Rochester, NY


Re: Pliers For Freight Car Builds

Tim O'Connor
 


tweezers and pliers and other tools are always fun topics  :-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/13411601855/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/32032394861/


On 6/30/2022 3:42 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. A great topic for Model RR Hobbyist 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

Douglas Harding
 

I believe a divided basket means the bunker can be fully filled or half filled, my folding down a “shelf” in the bunker.

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

 

Thanks for posting an interesting car. 

 

What is a "Divided Basket Bunker"? Would that impact the roof details? Thanks.

 

Bruce Hendrick

Brea, California

 

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 10:35:29 AM PDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

Photo from the Government of Canada:

https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3520058

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge.

Description:

Canadian National Railways Refrigerator car #209120 with Divided Basket Bunker - Ventilator, built in May, 1937.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Pliers For Freight Car Builds

Charlie Duckworth
 

I was thinking the same thing. A great topic for Model RR Hobbyist 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

Bruce Hendrick
 

Thanks for posting an interesting car. 

What is a "Divided Basket Bunker"? Would that impact the roof details? Thanks.

Bruce Hendrick
Brea, California

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 10:35:29 AM PDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

Photo from the Government of Canada:

https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3520058

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge.

Description:

Canadian National Railways Refrigerator car #209120 with Divided Basket Bunker - Ventilator, built in May, 1937.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Canadian National Refrigerator Car 209120 (1937)

Photo from the Government of Canada:

https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3520058

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge.

Description:

Canadian National Railways Refrigerator car #209120 with Divided Basket Bunker - Ventilator, built in May, 1937.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Lettering removal proto 2000 hoppers

Jim Betz
 

  You're welcome.  Nice looking "undec" you ended up with.  Pretty much ready for
decals as is.  Many guys will go to the trouble of adding a gloss coat/future/etc.
before they decal.  My decal method does not use any 'surface prep' and I have
no problems with my decals "settling down".  Most guys will pooh-pooh my
methods for decals.  Once the decal is where I want it and settled down 
completely I overspray (or wash) with a dull coating of some sort - usually I
use simply a wash of dilute flat finish acrylics that I brush on ...
  Please remember/consider that I weather -all- of my stuff ... some heavier
and some lighter.  So my end goal is in mind and 100% crisp lettering is
not important - to me.
                                                                        - Jim in the PNW


Re: SOME FINAL THOUGHTS ON SANTGA FE REFERS AND COLORS

nyc3001 .
 

I would agree that the Intermountain SFRD models have rendered some of the C&BT kits obsolete, but the C&BT kits of body styles B through E are still the cheapest and most abundant source for modeling RR-33 through RR-40 and RR-43 through RR-46, even though, again, only the bodies seem to be salvageable. 

I have four of the kits myself (RR-33, 34, 35-40 undec, and 43) and am trying to figure out exactly what I have to do to them to bring them up to par with my two Sunshine kits of RR-35 through 40 and 45.

-Phil Lee


Re: Pliers For Freight Car Builds

Ted Larson
 

Looks like a fantastic magazine article 




--
Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 


Re: SOME FINAL THOUGHTS ON SANTGA FE REFERS AND COLORS

Todd Sullivan
 

tim

Thanks for providing the juxtaposition of SFRD and PFE reefers showing the color variations and near matches between the two companies.  Somewhere in my slides I have a photo of a string of wrecked PFE mechanical reefers in Port Jervis o the E-L (E-L's track in the Delaware River area was notoriously bad, but they still ran fast trains with 'ooopsie' results sometimes), and the color range is amazingly broad.  Nope, I'm not going to dig that one up - too much else to do today.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Hide Cars - perhaps not the last wood, however....

Tim O'Connor
 

Hubert

Or perhaps just an assortment of hide loading stencils ?? I'm sure there are many variations ! :-)

Tim


On 6/30/2022 10:27 AM, hubert mask wrote:

When walking a interchange inspection I could smell a hide car car links away.  It would certainly wake you up. I do a decal set for the old wood side and steel side rock island car

Hubert 


On Jun 30, 2022, at 9:22 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:

I recall when I was working once a boxcar was loaded with hides it was no longer deemed fit for any other service and was the lowest class of cars. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hide Cars - perhaps not the last wood, however....

hubert mask
 

When walking a interchange inspection I could smell a hide car car links away.  It would certainly wake you up. I do a decal set for the old wood side and steel side rock island car

Hubert 


On Jun 30, 2022, at 9:22 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:

I recall when I was working once a boxcar was loaded with hides it was no longer deemed fit for any other service and was the lowest class of cars. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: SOME FINAL THOUGHTS ON SANTGA FE REFERS AND COLORS

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

Good points by Bill Pardie, and I still think that's a good color for a FADED car.

But Bill's point that the SFRD and PFE colors are similar is very hard to dispute !!

I stuck a bunch of images together to try and capture a few variations. I'm sure if I
spent much longer at it I could compose many almost identical images side by side. :-)

But this sample may be enough to convey the idea.


On 6/29/2022 9:17 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:

Ted's Essential Freight Cars article on SFRD reefers is #33 and was polished in the April 2006 issue of RMC, page 92. Most of the article discusses the InterMountain/Longs Drug kit, but in the last two pages he discusses the soon-to-be-released Sunshine kits. He painted these MEC Harvest Yellow. 

Tom Madden

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


WP-PFE R-30-9 reefer build

Eric Hansmann
 

George Toman shares his HO scale Red Caboose reefer upgrades to reflect the R-30-9 class prototypes in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/building-a-western-pacific-pfe-r-30-9-reefer/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 


Re: SOME FINAL THOUGHTS ON SANTGA FE REFERS AND COLORS

Tim O'Connor
 


I have about 4 dozen C&BT Santa Fe reefer kits... was planning to sell them
off for $5 a kit. You're right that the bodies and ends are excellent -- and C&BT
did many body variants found on the prototype cars.


On 6/29/2022 8:55 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:



I have come to realize over the past few days that everyone on this list has not pursued the model railroading hobby from college to the present day as have I.  There were many good and accurate comments on the Santa Fe refers and colors in recent posts.  I hope to add a little history and forgotten references in my following comments.

There was much excitement in the railroading community when CB&T released their Santa  Fe Refer kits. The excitement quickly diminished when some major flaws were detected.These flaws were primarily in the area of the roof and oversized details.Actually the body and the pre painted sides were quite good.
Thjis event was quickly followed by an article in the  Third Quarter 1992 Santa Fe Modeler publication by Jay Miller in which he took the kit through three separate builds. The first involved building the basic kit.  The second covered making basic adjustments and the third doing a fairly well detailed car.

The April 1994 issue of Mainline Modele rcontained a super article by JimTeese again Using gthe CB&T car and doing four versions.

The Nvember 1994 RailModel Journal magazinecarried a two part article by Richard Hendrickson.  The first part covered ther prototype. The second was a constgruction article on the CB&T kit.  Again three different versions were produced. It is interesting to note that in this article Richardd claimed that “SFRD yellow-orange was about the same color thst wass uswed on PFEcars, which was about the same as Southern Pacific’s “Daylight Orange”. I guess we all evolve and gain mofre knowledge with time.



All of the above articles contained a wealth of prototype and Model photos.  A short time later the Longs / Intermountain car ap[peared on gthe market. I cannot e too criticle here as my working life was with Longs Drug Stores. This pfretty much render gthe CB&T cars obsolete.Ted Culotta’s Essential Freighe Car series covered sev eral versions of Santa Fe refers in the April 1993 issue.  MY cope is not handy so I don’;t rfecall if color was addressed.  Ted also did a piece on PFE refers in one of the other articles.

While there is some work involved, building acceptable CB&T cars is within the skill level of moston thisl list. They can b e had for a song.

Bill Pardie
 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hide Cars - perhaps not the last wood, however....

Charlie Duckworth
 

I recall when I was working once a boxcar was loaded with hides it was no longer deemed fit for any other service and was the lowest class of cars. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Hide Cars - perhaps not the last wood, however....

Bob Chaparro
 

Malcolm Laughlin wrote in the Ry-Ops-Industrial SIG group:

“Here's an excerpt from Car Service Rule 18 in a 1959 RER

"(A) Box cars classed as suitable for grain loading or better or refrigerator cars must not be loaded with any of the contaminating commodities listed below.....

1. Animal products:

  (a) Hides, Pelts or Skins,

  (b) Glue Stock

......(c)....(f)....

  (g) Tallow.

2. Copra

3. fish.........

...

6. Asphalt.......

7. Creosote.....

8. Lamp black, etc.

9. Poisonous.....

In the 50's and 60's, it was normal for all empty box cars needed for loading in the same terminal area to be switched to the cleaning track after being pulled empty from an industry.  Cleaning was a clerks union job and in Account 401 of the operating budget of the terminal superintendent or trainmaster.”

++++

In 1915 Rule 18 was much more general:

“Car Service Rule 18 provides that "Empty cars containing refuse must not be offered in interchange.

If the delivering line fails to remove such refuse, the receiving line may do so at the expense of the delivering line, and in such case must promptly advise the delivering line of its action."

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Southwest Scale Productions Door Restock

Jeff Helm
 

Dan Hall of Southwest Scale Productions has recently restocked his selection of finely molded styrene box car doors.  Most are available, including the 4-6-6 Youngstown part 612.  

Website is http://www.southwestscale.com/main.sc  

Dan asked that I advise to disregard the out of stock notation for the 612s, and until the page is made, The 671 7-panel Superior door with lower top panel for GN & SP 10’ IH cars is not shown and will have to be ordered under a different part number, and then an email sent to dhallfsm@... , changing that part to the 671. 

The shopping cart function does not work well, so contacting Dan via email may be best.  He was very responsive and helpful.

No connection, just a happy customer.

 

--
Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Lettering removal proto 2000 hoppers

Doug Forbes
 

Jim, thanks for the suggestion. As you said, I applied 91% Isopropyl alcohol and let it set for a minute keeping it wet. I then used a wood toothpick and scraped. It worked great. Here is a finished photo. 

Thanks!
Doug


Re: Globe tank cars

Richard Townsend
 

I’ve got five or six of them. A couple of 3 compartment cars, maybe one more, a couple of single compartment cars, and I think I have a two compartment kit down there, too.

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