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Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Bruce Smith
 

Dave,

Since freight cars were lettered almost exclusively using stencils during this period, I'm puzzled by your puzzlement. Is it the fact that the stencil gaps were not painted over? There are plenty of examples of that in the freight car fleet, although it certainly wasn't super common. A number of the better decals available have options where the stencil gaps are visible.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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I thought it unusual that the lettering is in stencil.

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Re: Virginian BX10 boxcar

Gary McMills
 

Nice work Paul.

I really like the subtle weathering effects you did and the decal work is great.

Gary McMills

Vicksburg Miss.


On 2022-07-01 11:02, Paul Doggett via groups.io wrote:

Hi Guys

I have just finished a Funaro and Camerlengo Virginian BX10 boxcar I used National scale car (old Speedwitch) decals, it’s an interesting car with its plate steel ends. The paint is a mix of Badger dark and light Tuscan, weathering was done with Railmatch weathering paints mixed with Railmatch matt varnish. Another interesting point is it’s internal height which is only 8’0” which can be seen when next to more modern cars.

Paul Doggett.      England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿






Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Dave Parker
 

In the 7-34 ORER, NEA(C)X 32 is listed as one of 5 cars, all noted as "new additions".  There is no listing for the company in my 12-30 ORER, suggesting a new company (or at least fleet).

IMO, the NEACX stencil is some sort of "typo" at the paint shop.  The reporting mark is consistently NEAX from 1934 to 1940 (at least).  I can't come up with another explanation.

In the 7-34 ORER, car 32 is listed individually as an 8000 gal, 80,000 lb car.  By 7/35, the exact gallonage is given as 8170 (more reminiscent of a tariff listing!), but the weight capacity is listed as 55,600 lbs -- a real oddity for a tank car.  This is replicated in a 10-37 listing, but by 1-40 these figures are given as 8170 and 80,000.  I hesitate to speculate on what might have caused these unusual listings.

Assuming the frame was built in 1912, it is obviously a new tank -- the double rivets alone date it as 1917+, and the ICC 103 stencil alone suggests 1927+.   But I think the stencils are sufficiently legible:  the tank was built in 1928 by ACF, and the pressure tested at that time.  In 1-34, the safety valves were test by ?? in Everett, the car was light-weighted, and I believe painted (thus the 1-34 stencil under EVERETT).

Not sure about modeling the tank with a P2000 Type 21.  The dome looks bigger on this car, but I don't have my 1936 tariff with me to look it up.

BTW, a quick Google search suggests that one of this companies mainstay products was antifreeze, seemingly denatured ethanol.   A very quick Wiki-like search suggests that ethylene glycol did not really come into play until 1937.  I wonder how long NEAX stayed in business after that?

Fun car, even if it's a one-off.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


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Paul Krueger
 

The book has been sold.

Thank you,
Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Built-Up Resin Kits

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Hi Tim:

I have intended to contact you thus week but lately it seems that when I get up on the morning I am already two hours behind.

I see that Dan Smith contacted you on the Intermountain roofs for the CB&T refers.  I emailed him this morning asking if he might gave a few.

In the past few years I have come to realize that I could never build all the kits that I have.  Yet I have rarely bought a kit that I didn't want.  Thus I have bought some built up models from modelers that I hold in high esteem and passed the kits on to friends on the mainland. 

That takes us to the Bill Welch collection.  I was actually casting a net this morning.  I has heard that Ted Culotts was named executor from Bill's estate  ( at least the railroad part).  Ted seems to be in his second "Dark Phase" so who knows what is happening.

I made my airline reservations for Collinsville last week.   United's website and I are ar two ends of tue spectrum but I got it done .  Several years ago I was charged twenty five times for my itinerary.   Rectifying a $35,000.00 airline bill was an adventure.

Stay safe my friend:

Bill



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 7/1/22 9:05 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Built-Up Resin Kits


Bill Welch was a meticulous person and planned ahead so I have not asked because I just assume that
he gave them away or turned them over to someone else. His collection was extremely impressive by the
early 1990's - after he'd been modeling only for a few years - so I imagine the final collection was just
incredibly wonderful models. Wherever they ended up I hope they are well cared for. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2022 1:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
The references to the sale of built up boxcars bought to mind a topic that I had almost forgotten.A reference was made to the work of quality modelers selling at a premium.
Bill Welch has ben a major player on the Prototype Community for over fifteen yearts.  What has become of his collection on his passing?  I hzave spoken to several members 
who were involved in the Memoial Tribute to Bill and they have no idea.  I had heard that some of his airplane models (Yes, he was into that as well) were sold at a prototype 
meet. There has, however, been no mention to my knowledge as to what has happened to his marvelous freight cars.

Does anyone have any information?

Bill Pardie 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

David Soderblom
 

I thought it unusual that the lettering is in stencil.

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Re: Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901

akerboomk
 

And only 2 straps (plus center anchor & bolster pads)...
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901

Richard Townsend
 

With looking it up, 8071 gallons. <VBG>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
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Sent: Fri, Jul 1, 2022 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901

Bob Chaparro  wrote:

Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901
Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:
Taken in 1932 in Saint Clair County, Sauget, Illinois.

And without looking it up, you know it’s not a large car because the trucks look big, probably 8000 gals. or less.

Tony Thompson


Re: Built-Up Resin Kits

Bruce Smith
 

Ted was selling Bill’s unbuilt kits at Cocoa… bought a few myself.

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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I had thought there was a mention of Bill Welch models being sold by Ted Culotta at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach. But the message is not appearing in a search of this or a couple other groups.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Bill Welch was a meticulous person and planned ahead so I have not asked because I just assume that
he gave them away or turned them over to someone else. His collection was extremely impressive by the
early 1990's - after he'd been modeling only for a few years - so I imagine the final collection was just
incredibly wonderful models. Wherever they ended up I hope they are well cared for. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2022 1:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

The references to the sale of built up boxcars bought to mind a topic that I had almost forgotten.A reference was made to the work of quality modelers selling at a premium.

Bill Welch has ben a major player on the Prototype Community for over fifteen yearts.  What has become of his collection on his passing?  I hzave spoken to several members 

who were involved in the Memoial Tribute to Bill and they have no idea.  I had heard that some of his airplane models (Yes, he was into that as well) were sold at a prototype 

meet. There has, however, been no mention to my knowledge as to what has happened to his marvelous freight cars.

 

Does anyone have any information?

 

Bill Pardie 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Built-Up Resin Kits

Eric Hansmann
 

I had thought there was a mention of Bill Welch models being sold by Ted Culotta at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach. But the message is not appearing in a search of this or a couple other groups.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 2:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Bill Welch was a meticulous person and planned ahead so I have not asked because I just assume that
he gave them away or turned them over to someone else. His collection was extremely impressive by the
early 1990's - after he'd been modeling only for a few years - so I imagine the final collection was just
incredibly wonderful models. Wherever they ended up I hope they are well cared for. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2022 1:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

The references to the sale of built up boxcars bought to mind a topic that I had almost forgotten.A reference was made to the work of quality modelers selling at a premium.

Bill Welch has ben a major player on the Prototype Community for over fifteen yearts.  What has become of his collection on his passing?  I hzave spoken to several members 

who were involved in the Memoial Tribute to Bill and they have no idea.  I had heard that some of his airplane models (Yes, he was into that as well) were sold at a prototype 

meet. There has, however, been no mention to my knowledge as to what has happened to his marvelous freight cars.

 

Does anyone have any information?

 

Bill Pardie 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Bill's models, was Re: [RealSTMFC] Built-Up Resin Kits

Bruce Smith
 

It is my understanding from a couple of members of this list that Bill’s models are in good hands and are being inventoried. I do not know if they will make it onto a platform, such as eBay or Stouts’ Auction (where Frank Peacock’s collection was recently sold.)

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:05 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Built-Up Resin Kits

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.


Bill Welch was a meticulous person and planned ahead so I have not asked because I just assume that
he gave them away or turned them over to someone else. His collection was extremely impressive by the
early 1990's - after he'd been modeling only for a few years - so I imagine the final collection was just
incredibly wonderful models. Wherever they ended up I hope they are well cared for. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2022 1:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

The references to the sale of built up boxcars bought to mind a topic that I had almost forgotten.A reference was made to the work of quality modelers selling at a premium.

Bill Welch has ben a major player on the Prototype Community for over fifteen yearts.  What has become of his collection on his passing?  I hzave spoken to several members 

who were involved in the Memoial Tribute to Bill and they have no idea.  I had heard that some of his airplane models (Yes, he was into that as well) were sold at a prototype 

meet. There has, however, been no mention to my knowledge as to what has happened to his marvelous freight cars.

 

Does anyone have any information?

 

Bill Pardie 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro  wrote:

Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901
Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:
Taken in 1932 in Saint Clair County, Sauget, Illinois.

And without looking it up, you know it’s not a large car because the trucks look big, probably 8000 gals. or less.

Tony Thompson


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

Yes. 1-34 is the shop date but over on the right it looks like AC&F (or something xC&F)
and the number 1928 is clearly visible. I think the tank may have been built in 1928.

Tim


On 7/1/2022 1:57 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Tim,

 

I see 1-34 on the tank under EVERETT and I think I see 1-34 on the test date on the right side.


That “BUILT 1912” stencil seems wrong for the tank, but the frame does have the early “C” channel facing inward construction. My guess is that the tank was replaced, perhaps even 1-34,  given its construction.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

 

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Cool photo ! The frame has a 1912 stencil but the tank appears to have a 1928 stencil.

I never knew a private reporting mark could be 5 letters. :-\

On 7/1/2022 1:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:

https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-S03043-01-8n?fullscreen=1

Car built in 1912. Photo supposedly taken in the 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Truncate the link to https://mohistory.org/collections/ and search all collections.  Found a few CB&Q  items searching on “Burlington” and there are many more under the more generic “Railroad”.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 12:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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According to Ian Cranstone’s reporting marks list, New England Alcohol used NEAX reporting marks from 1935 to 1947.

 

In a 1938 ORER they had a whopping total of 7 cars and by 1945 it had climbed to 9!

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 12:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

 


Cool photo ! The frame has a 1912 stencil but the tank appears to have a 1928 stencil.

I never knew a private reporting mark could be 5 letters. :-\

On 7/1/2022 1:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:

https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-S03043-01-8n?fullscreen=1

Car built in 1912. Photo supposedly taken in the 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Built-Up Resin Kits

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill Welch was a meticulous person and planned ahead so I have not asked because I just assume that
he gave them away or turned them over to someone else. His collection was extremely impressive by the
early 1990's - after he'd been modeling only for a few years - so I imagine the final collection was just
incredibly wonderful models. Wherever they ended up I hope they are well cared for. :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2022 1:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

The references to the sale of built up boxcars bought to mind a topic that I had almost forgotten.A reference was made to the work of quality modelers selling at a premium.
Bill Welch has ben a major player on the Prototype Community for over fifteen yearts.  What has become of his collection on his passing?  I hzave spoken to several members 
who were involved in the Memoial Tribute to Bill and they have no idea.  I had heard that some of his airplane models (Yes, he was into that as well) were sold at a prototype 
meet. There has, however, been no mention to my knowledge as to what has happened to his marvelous freight cars.

Does anyone have any information?

Bill Pardie 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginian BX10 boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Al 

Thank you 

Paul Doggett 


On 1 Jul 2022, at 19:27, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

Nice car!

AL B.


Re: Virginian BX10 boxcar

al_brown03
 

Nice car!

AL B.


Re: Virginian BX10 boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Tony

Thank you.

Paul Doggett

On 1 Jul 2022, at 18:50, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Nice model, Paul!

Tony Thompson
tony@...








Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Monsanto Tank Car MONX 901

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:

https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-04227-01-8n?fullscreen=1

Taken in 1932 in Saint Clair County, Sauget, Illinois.

Phenol service. Phenol (also called carbolic acid) is an aromatic organic compound.

Phenols are widely used in household products (like mouthwash and spray cleaners)

and as intermediates for industrial synthesis.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,

 

I see 1-34 on the tank under EVERETT and I think I see 1-34 on the test date on the right side.


That “BUILT 1912” stencil seems wrong for the tank, but the frame does have the early “C” channel facing inward construction. My guess is that the tank was replaced, perhaps even 1-34,  given its construction.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

 

CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn.


Cool photo ! The frame has a 1912 stencil but the tank appears to have a 1928 stencil.

I never knew a private reporting mark could be 5 letters. :-\

On 7/1/2022 1:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:

https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-S03043-01-8n?fullscreen=1

Car built in 1912. Photo supposedly taken in the 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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