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Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Richard Townsend
 

I am looking at a photo that includes part of the end of a boxcar. The boxcar has a nine-rib PS proprietary end, like the so-called PS-0. I can see no reporting marks and only the last three digits of the car number, which I think are 071 (might be 971). The car end is painted a light enough color that the car number is in a dark color (i.e. it's dark on light rather than the "normal" light on dark). The car does not have a turtle-back roof. Does the end style, partial car number, and painting practice provide anyone enough clues to identify the car?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Kar-Line Wabash model

Jim Pattison
 

Tim, thank you for the answer and the pictures

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 11:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kar-Line Wabash model

 


Jim, that is the ancient ATHEARN 50 foot box car body based (loosely) on the Santa Fe Fe-24.
The riveting to the right of the doors is not found on anyone else's box cars. (See ATSF 4398)

The car number on the model is wrong - it should be "19251" instead of "9251" - which would be
a valid number for a postwar 50 foot double door car - but the Athearn car is not a match for it.

Wabash 18005 (attached) is the same era car ( 5/5 dreadnaught ends ) as the Athearn model,
but the Proto 2000 (now Walthers) model is a far better model, and it's correct for the 18005.

Tim O'Connor



On 7/3/2022 1:29 PM, Jim Pattison wrote:


>> I saw this Kar-Line model of a Wabash 50 foot 2 door boxcar on eBay


https://www.ebay.com/itm/334320448798

 And it appears to have the same side panel spacing as an Atlas post war car that I have lettered for the SP.
I know it is completely wrong for the SP but would like to know if it is correct for the Wabash



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kar-Line Wabash model

Tim O'Connor
 


Jim, that is the ancient ATHEARN 50 foot box car body based (loosely) on the Santa Fe Fe-24.
The riveting to the right of the doors is not found on anyone else's box cars. (See ATSF 4398)

The car number on the model is wrong - it should be "19251" instead of "9251" - which would be
a valid number for a postwar 50 foot double door car - but the Athearn car is not a match for it.

Wabash 18005 (attached) is the same era car ( 5/5 dreadnaught ends ) as the Athearn model,
but the Proto 2000 (now Walthers) model is a far better model, and it's correct for the 18005.

Tim O'Connor



On 7/3/2022 1:29 PM, Jim Pattison wrote:


>> I saw this Kar-Line model of a Wabash 50 foot 2 door boxcar on eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334320448798

 And it appears to have the same side panel spacing as an Atlas post war car that I have lettered for the SP.
I know it is completely wrong for the SP but would like to know if it is correct for the Wabash


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Tim O'Connor
 


Indeed in 1946 and 1947 brand new MCHX tank cars were built for the Merrimac Division.

On 7/3/2022 1:25 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io wrote:

BTW, Merrimac was swallowed up by Monsanto in 1929, but MCHX cars ran for years as the Merrimac Division of Monsanto.  I can find almost nothing on the history of New England Alcohol, including any evidence that it became a subsidiary of a larger corporation.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Freight car ID Milwaukee hopper?

Tim O'Connor
 


(MILW subsidiary) CTSE
370552-370999 were 70 ton, 4-bay, 2755 cubic foot offset-side open hoppers

Model photos from the Milwaukee Road Historical Association in Railroad Model Craftsman, May 1991


On 7/2/2022 10:46 PM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:


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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Kar-Line Wabash model

Jim Pattison
 

Attached is a picture from eBay of the car in question

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Pattison
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kar-Line Wabash model

 

I saw this Kar-Line model of a Wabash 50 foot 2 door boxcar on eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/334320448798?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D09ad1ebe75824c9d9ee5fca1dafe95af%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D334320448798%26itm%3D334320448798%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DKar-Line&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507 )

 And it appears to have the same side panel spacing as an Atlas post war car that I have lettered for the SP.  I know it is completely wrong for the SP but would like to know if it is correct for the Wabash

Thanks

Jim Pattison


Re: Kar-Line Wabash model

 

Maybe, maybe not. Kar-Line took Athearn blue box kits, painted them, and decaled with Champ decals.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim Pattison <jim@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 12:29 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kar-Line Wabash model

 

I saw this Kar-Line model of a Wabash 50 foot 2 door boxcar on eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/334320448798?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D09ad1ebe75824c9d9ee5fca1dafe95af%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D334320448798%26itm%3D334320448798%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DKar-Line&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507 )

 And it appears to have the same side panel spacing as an Atlas post war car that I have lettered for the SP.  I know it is completely wrong for the SP but would like to know if it is correct for the Wabash

Thanks

Jim Pattison


Kar-Line Wabash model

Jim Pattison
 

I saw this Kar-Line model of a Wabash 50 foot 2 door boxcar on eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/334320448798?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D09ad1ebe75824c9d9ee5fca1dafe95af%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D334320448798%26itm%3D334320448798%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DKar-Line&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507 )

 And it appears to have the same side panel spacing as an Atlas post war car that I have lettered for the SP.  I know it is completely wrong for the SP but would like to know if it is correct for the Wabash

Thanks

Jim Pattison


Re: Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Bob Weston
 
Edited

The Hocking Valley Railway ran from Toledo, Ohio, south through Columbus to Athens, Ohio. While built to haul coal out of Southern Ohio most of the line passes through an agricultural area extending from Toledo to about thirty miles south of Columbus before entering coal country. Given the close proximity of the HV boxcar to the building with the 're-cleaned oats" sign ,which may be a grain elevator, it's possible the car hauled grain to the elevator. Several abandoned elevators still exist south of Columbus along what is now Genesee and Western's Indiana and Ohio RR.


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Dave Parker
 

Ed:

I've rooted around a bit in my ORERs as well as the AC&F lot lists, and this is my take:

The frames in the two photos are different.  The 1934 photo shows a Type 11 UF, consistent with the 1912 build-date stencil.  The 1938 photo is of a Type 27 UF with its AB brakes, Ajax hand-brake, etc.

Presumably, the original car was a Type 11 built in 1912.  Whether Merrimac Chemical or somebody else ordered it is unknown; there are no MCHX listings in my ORERs before 10-19.  Car 32 is then implicitly listed as part of  "inclusive" MCHX series (17-40 initially, later 29-33) until 7-35, at which time MCHX lists cars 29, 31, and 33 individually.

The 1934 photo almost certainly shows that a new tank was applied in 1928 (Type 21 or 27; I think they were the same at that time) but, like you, I can't find an order involving Merrimac in the 1927-28 lot lists.  So there is a gap in the ACF records there.

The 1934 photo coincides with the purchase of the car by New England Alcohol -- thus the new paint job.  In my 7-34 ORER, the car appears under both MCHX and NEAX, but the former listing is actually dated 7-33 while the NEAX list is for 7-34.

The 1938 photo of lot 1778 indicates that the replacement (1928) tank was then in turn applied to a new Type 27 underframe.  My ORERs indicate that NEAX 32 soldiered on until the company's disappearance ca. 1950.

The 1938 scheme seems to have been offered in N scale by Micro-Trains and in O by MTH.

BTW, Merrimac was swallowed up by Monsanto in 1929, but MCHX cars ran for years as the Merrimac Division of Monsanto.  I can find almost nothing on the history of New England Alcohol, including any evidence that it became a subsidiary of a larger corporation.

With best regards.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Photo: Damaged Ford Parts In Boxcar (1926)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Damaged Ford Parts In Boxcar (1926)

Photo from University of Utah Marriott Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=541310

Photo can be enlarged.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: B&O Boxcar (1944)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: B&O Boxcar (1944)

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:

https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-12572-02-4a?fullscreen=1

Taken in 1944 in St. Louis.

I’m guessing the car number is 278173.

Description:

Railroad crossing at a street intersection along Mullanphy Street.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors

Robert kirkham
 

For the CPR car, yes, the Tichy car with 7/8 ends is a reasonably good model (with the roof modification mentioned earlier).  Intermountain released the Tichy kit as ready to run for CPR a few years ago.  And Rapido will be coming out with this variant soon.

Rob

On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:58 PM, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:

Would the Tichy CP Clone of the USRA single sheathed boxcar (kit no. 4034) be a better starting kit? The body of that kit has 7-8 ends.

Ken Montero
On 07/02/2022 4:45 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Is this identical to the Tichy D&H box car (USRA converted to cement service) ?

On 7/2/2022 2:21 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors
Photos from the Old Time Trains website:
Description:
“230000 equipped with drop doors for grain loading. 60 ton 3098 cu.ft. built 7/1920 Fort William
Stencil wording below car number reads:
Assigned to special grain service only between Port Mc.Nicoll and West St.John.
NOTE: See 139002 (above) for 36 foot box similarly equipped and assigned. Also, 299690 (below) 40 foot double door.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Freight car ID

radiodial868
 

I'll throw my thought out there on the boxcar, too.  Image clarity is rather distorted, so can't say it is 100% a tilted herald.  It does has a certain Bangor and Aroostook feel to it.
Railroad company logo design evolution
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Paul Doggett
 

Hello Ted 

Thank you.

Paul Doggett 


On 3 Jul 2022, at 16:04, Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:


Hello,

To remove the lighter weed seeds.  Helped my father fan oats many a time.

Ted Schnepf

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 01:33:35 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Bob 
That’s a really interesting photo why would oats be re cleaned as one of the buildings advertises 

Paul Doggett 


On 2 Jul 2022, at 22:15, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society.

Nice assortment of truss rod boxcars.

Description:

Chouteau Avenue and Missouri Pacific Railroad. Vandeventer Coal Company Railroad Yard.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:


Re: Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

To remove the lighter weed seeds.  Helped my father fan oats many a time.

Ted Schnepf

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 01:33:35 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Bob 
That’s a really interesting photo why would oats be re cleaned as one of the buildings advertises 

Paul Doggett 


On 2 Jul 2022, at 22:15, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society.

Nice assortment of truss rod boxcars.

Description:

Chouteau Avenue and Missouri Pacific Railroad. Vandeventer Coal Company Railroad Yard.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:


Re: Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Bruce Hendrick
 

The excellent detail of this image would seem to indicate it was produced from the original glass plate common in the 1800s and known for their great clarity. 

Of interest to me was the Hocking Valley boxcar, a line I was not familiar with. A quick internet search indicates its origins date to 1864 as a coal hauling railroad in southern Ohio and that it operated under several names such as Columbus & Hocking Valley and later Hocking Valley before being absorbed into the C&O in 1930. Parts of the line still exist in the CSX system while the Hocking Valley Scenic Railroad provides tourist steam operations today. 

The door boards would seem to indicate the HVRR boxcar was used to transport a load of Ohio coal to this Missouri dealer. 

Thanks for sharing an interesting image. 

Bruce Hendrick 


Re: Bill's models, was Re: [RealSTMFC] Built-Up Resin Kits

Andrew Roberts
 

Personally, I would love to buy a few of Bill’s FGEX cars. They would be a rolling memorial and establish a bar for me to try and hit with my own FGE car builds! I’m really sorry I didn’t get into the hobby soon enough to know Bill as a friend. I am deeply indebted to him for his thorough and well documented examination of the FGEX consortium. 


Re: Canadian Pacific Boxcar 230000 With Drop Doors

Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Montero asked:
"Would the Tichy CP Clone of the USRA single sheathed boxcar (kit no. 4034) be a better starting kit? The body of that kit has 7-8 ends."

It doesn't matter.  The Tichy kits are tooled with separate ends, and the 7/8 end is offered separately.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Paul Doggett
 

Bob 
That’s a really interesting photo why would oats be re cleaned as one of the buildings advertises 

Paul Doggett 


On 2 Jul 2022, at 22:15, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: Coal Yard Scene (Undated)

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society.

Nice assortment of truss rod boxcars.

Description:

Chouteau Avenue and Missouri Pacific Railroad. Vandeventer Coal Company Railroad Yard.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:

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