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Re: Pliers For Freight Car Builds

Mark Rossiter
 

Ed, wow!  Those are some nice looking grab irons!

Mark Rossiter


Re: Freight car ID

Clark Propst
 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 08:36 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
The lettering on the 1 1/2 door box car looks like it could be Chesapeake & Ohio, which did have
1 1/2 door steel box cars.

The "tilted herald" on further examination appears to be CIRCULAR, and this is most likely a Southern Pacific emblem.

I remember we discussed this photo a long time ago because of that SELEY composite hopper car !

Has anyone identified the builder of the tank car?
Nice C&O photo. The car in the train appears to have solid steel doors. But, the stacked lettering look like it could spell that road name? 
Possibility it's SP?
Yes, the Seley hopper was discussed, good memory. I built the F&C kit. Very nice model.
I'm far from a tank car guy, would be nice to know that too.
Clark 


Re: Pliers For Freight Car Builds

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the tutorial on bending grab irons. Your work on the hopper is the perfect testimonial.

 

I didn’t take mechanical drawing, but I think your measuring tool is a divider. A compass is a divider with a pen, pencil, or scriber on one point for drawing arcs and circles. A protractor is a tool of measuring angles, usually a half-round plastic gauge.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Freight car ID

Tim O'Connor
 


The lettering on the 1 1/2 door box car looks like it could be Chesapeake & Ohio, which did have
1 1/2 door steel box cars.

The "tilted herald" on further examination appears to be CIRCULAR, and this is most likely a Southern Pacific emblem.

I remember we discussed this photo a long time ago because of that SELEY composite hopper car !

Has anyone identified the builder of the tank car?


On 7/4/2022 10:13 AM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:

I've been troubled trying to think of who had a titled large emblem like that on the last box car. To the best of my knowledge during the war years the only box car on the Milwaukee with tilted box emblems we single sheathed box car and that emblem was on the extreme upper left and much smaller.
That hopper could very well be an IC car.
To me the first box car after the tank car looks like a NYC door and a half box car. Not sure who else might have had short steel box cars with that door configuration?
Clark
No guesses on the flat car?

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Re: ATSF reefer colors

Tim O'Connor
 


Pre-2020 Massachusetts had an energy program to switch to LEDs (for example, all outdoor street lights
in my town are now LED) and I got overhead 'tube' fixtures to replace fluorescents for $15 a set. They use
40W and put out 300W equivalent at 5000k color temperature. Some cheap Chinese LED bulbs burned out
out in the house, but I have since found good quality products. My electricity bills are lower than ever. :-)

Anyone want some free CFLs ? I have lots of 'em. :-)


On 7/3/2022 9:34 AM, Rich Yoder wrote:

We made a  switch to LED Lighting in our home one year ago. As one would expect in as much as everything does wear out some of our brand name LED lighting has worn out in my opinion way too early in what we were led to believe would not only be more energy efficient but would last longer. One lighting fixture bought from The Home Depot wore out and replacement parts  were half the original cost and out of stock. Being out of stock tell the rest of the story. Buyer beware.

Rich



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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Tim O'Connor
 


C&S had some interesting gondolas... :-)

On 7/4/2022 10:55 AM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:

C&S since it’s their Denver yard, but you’re right about it being a mow gondola.


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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Richard Townsend
 

C&S since it’s their Denver yard, but you’re right about it being a mow gondola.


Re: Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Rich Yoder
 

It’s an ACF Built car.

I haven’t taken the time to examine the car verses known cars but if you have Ed Kaminski  book on ACF tank cars,

You should be able to determine when it was built. My guess based on the trucks under the car is it was built earlier than 1928 but after 1912 I would say 1923.

 

 

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Bruce

Yes. 1-34 is the shop date but over on the right it looks like AC&F (or something xC&F)
and the number 1928 is clearly visible. I think the tank may have been built in 1928.

Tim


On 7/1/2022 1:57 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Tim,

 

I see 1-34 on the tank under EVERETT and I think I see 1-34 on the test date on the right side.


That “BUILT 1912” stencil seems wrong for the tank, but the frame does have the early “C” channel facing inward construction. My guess is that the tank was replaced, perhaps even 1-34,  given its construction.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Cool photo ! The frame has a 1912 stencil but the tank appears to have a 1928 stencil.

I never knew a private reporting mark could be 5 letters. :-\

On 7/1/2022 1:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Photo from the Missouri Historical Society:

https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-S03043-01-8n?fullscreen=1

Car built in 1912. Photo supposedly taken in the 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


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Re: ATSF reefer colors

Rich Yoder
 

We made a  switch to LED Lighting in our home one year ago. As one would expect in as much as everything does wear out some of our brand name LED lighting has worn out in my opinion way too early in what we were led to believe would not only be more energy efficient but would last longer. One lighting fixture bought from The Home Depot wore out and replacement parts  were half the original cost and out of stock. Being out of stock tell the rest of the story. Buyer beware.

Rich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 3:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF reefer colors

 

I researches fluorescent tubes in 2013, looking for 5000 K and a high CRI. I attached a table of the results. Regrettably, the inexpensive tubes are disappearing, and I can no longer find them locally. I’ve decided to switch to LED tubes as the fluorescent tubes fail.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott Kremer
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 1:36 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF reefer colors

 

In addition to the Kelvin rating there is also a CRI, Color Rendition Index, which gives you an idea of the accuracy of the color in question.  CRI’s for bulbs with a value of 90 or less will almost always result in a green cast to the light.  Today finding LED’s, bulbs not tubes,  with a CRI of 90 or higher is expensive.  In most cases a price of $14 to $18 per bulb for a 100 watt equivalent bulb.  That will change and there are some wattages and Kelvin temps with a price of less than $5 per bulb.  Still expensive.  I have not researched tubes but the same criteria applies.  Check out sources on the internet or, if you are lucky, check with your local lighting specialist store.

 

Scott Kremer

 


Freight car ID

David
 

The car behind the tank has the half door on the right, so the most likely candidate is the steel-sided rebuilds of C&O/HV double (wood) sheathed auto boxes.

David Thompson


Re: Pliers For Freight Car Builds

Ed Rethwisch
 

This is a very good article on modeling tools.
I do know I love tools and always look at tools every chance I get especially now when it seems like we as modelers
are losing companies that produce detail parts that's why I get excited every time something new comes out. 
My work around is to make as many of my detail parts as I can and one of them is grab irons it seems that most of the 
model company's like to use 0.012 wire and there 90' isn't 90' so I started years ago to start bending all my grabs using 0.010
half hard brass wire.
I start by drilling all the holes for the grab irons and then use a protractor to measure the length between the grab iron
holes then take a piece of scrap styrene plastic use the protractor to mark a hole to drill the hole for the length of the grab.

Start by bending a 90' to one end of the wire then put the wire into the hole in the styrene and use a flat sided pair of pliers
and butt them up to the side of the styrene and remove from the hole so you can make the second 90' bend.
Know you have a grab that will fit perfectly into the holes you previously drilled into the car side.
Know if you want to do a drop grab you need to rework a set of flat bill pliers and put a stop on one side of the pliers thinner 
than the diameter of the wire so you can pinch the wire in the pliers but not smash the wire.
After your straight grab is now firmly in the pliers and up against the stop (you put on one of the jaws) bend the grab over
the jaw and now you have a drop grab the exact distance for your car side you drilled the holes earlier without the need to
modify a grab that doesn't really fit.
This is how I do all my cars both with smaller diameter wire and very crisp 90' bends just like the prototype.

I know this isn't for everyone but for me part of the fun of freight car building.

Edward Rethwisch, 
  

    


Re: Vallejo equivalent for PFE orange?

Geodyssey
 

PFE orange and SP Daylight orange are the same color.  It was also used on pre-gray SP locomotives and other SP applications like caboose ends & cupolas.

So if you come across a suitable Daylight orange, it will also work for PFE equipment.

Rob Simpson


Re: Freight car ID

O Fenton Wells
 

CNJ has the door and a half, I believe Sunshine made a kit in HO


On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 10:14 AM Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
I've been troubled trying to think of who had a titled large emblem like that on the last box car. To the best of my knowledge during the war years the only box car on the Milwaukee with tilted box emblems we single sheathed box car and that emblem was on the extreme upper left and much smaller.
That hopper could very well be an IC car.
To me the first box car after the tank car looks like a NYC door and a half box car. Not sure who else might have had short steel box cars with that door configuration?
Clark
No guesses on the flat car?



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Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Clark Propst
 

CB&Q work service gondola? Orange in color.
Clark


Re: Freight car ID

Clark Propst
 

I've been troubled trying to think of who had a titled large emblem like that on the last box car. To the best of my knowledge during the war years the only box car on the Milwaukee with tilted box emblems we single sheathed box car and that emblem was on the extreme upper left and much smaller.
That hopper could very well be an IC car.
To me the first box car after the tank car looks like a NYC door and a half box car. Not sure who else might have had short steel box cars with that door configuration?
Clark
No guesses on the flat car?


Re: PRR X25 was PRR "wrong-way" door car - Photo: New England Alcohol Company Tank Car NEACX 32

Robert kirkham
 

I mentioned the other day that there may be another photo of the PRR X25 noted in the MO History collection.   I think this may be such a car - patch panels, left opening door.  Not sure - no clear spotting feature to my eyes.  https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-12111-02-4a  June 18, 1943.  

Rob

On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I’ve been wondering about whether to build an X23 model for a while, without ever noticing the X25 and its variants.  Spent some enjoyable time looking at Rich Orr’s web pages.  At 9600+ cars, it's a sizeable fleet in North America and worth attention.  Its larger than, for example, the CPR mini-box fleet (7500 cars - although with CPR as my home road, the miniboxes need to be routinely visible).   

When i was skimming through the MO History web site collection, there was a close up of an open door.  I didn’t take the time to check, but believe it was the same X25 class.  Will send a reference if i can find it again. 

Rob 

On Jul 2, 2022, at 6:32 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Rob,

As noted by others, nope, not at all surprised, but then I am very familiar with PRR's boxcar classes and know that the left opening doorway on a steel boxcar (along with the deep fishbelly centersill) are all spotting features of the X25 class. That centersill was inherited from the X23 class (also left opening door). The X25 represents the pioneering class of all-steel boxcars on the PRR. A smaller subclass,. X25A, was built with double doors and an end door for automobile loading service. Unlike the X24 and X28 classes, the X25A kept the same roof height as its general service counterpart (X23, X29 in the other cases). You will note that the main door being left opening is subtly carried over in the X25A (and X24) as these cars have the double door offset to the right, not the left, as you may be used to in later double door automobile cars such as the X28 and X31.

As noted already, Westerfield offers(ed) the X25 and X25A as flat resin kits so no need to kitbash.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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lol, that gave me chuckle.  I really thought the quote marks would indicate it wasn’t so much my choice of words as a descriptive label i’ve seen used somewhere else.  First time i’ve been accused of being unnecessarily pejorative to a freight car.  (smiling here, btw - not at all upset to be corrected).  Point taken, i will reform my language choices going forward.   But, tell me for real, were you really surprised to find it was a car with a left opening door.   And was there more than one class of PRR cars that had left opening doors?   (I really don’t know the answer to that, so am curious).

I am grateful that Eric was able to identify the class.  These haven’t been on my radar.  I really like the fishbelly centre sill.   It would make an interesting model; possibly workable as a kitbash?

Rob 

On Jul 1, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Eric,

Thanks for pointing out that this is an X25. The terminology "wrong way" door is outmoded and inaccurate. There is nothing "wrong" about a left opening door and in fact, it was quite common with the X23 also having a left opening door, along with many other cars of many other roads, so the term is not only unnecessarily pejorative, it is lacking in sufficient detail to identify the car class.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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That's a great two-fer! A Pennsy X25 box car and a classic Autocar truck! 

The X25 cars were the first steel-sheathed box cars for the Pennsy. Almost 10,000 were built between 1915 and 1919. 


Eric Hansmann 
Murfreesboro, TN 

On 07/01/2022 4:25 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:


Thanks for the pointer.  I fund this (new to me) car:https://mohistory.org/collections/item/P0403-12111-03-4a?fullscreen=1 





Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Richard Townsend
 

Well. Is my face red. Indeed it appears to be a gondola. Never mind.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Richard 

It looks like a gondola..
Paul Doggett 


On 3 Jul 2022, at 20:59, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Yes. I was hoping the description would be enough. It's here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/403749659026?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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believe it or not, the rest of us cannot see that photo

On 7/3/2022 3:47 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
I am looking at a photo that includes part of the end of a boxcar. The boxcar has a nine-rib PS proprietary end, like the so-called PS-0. I can see no reporting marks and only the last three digits of the car number, which I think are 071 (might be 971). The car end is painted a light enough color that the car number is in a dark color (i.e. it's dark on light rather than the "normal" light on dark). The car does not have a turtle-back roof. Does the end style, partial car number, and painting practice provide anyone enough clues to identify the car?

Richard Townsend


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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Paul Doggett
 

Richard 

It looks like a gondola..
Paul Doggett 


On 3 Jul 2022, at 20:59, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Yes. I was hoping the description would be enough. It's here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/403749659026?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 12:52 pm
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believe it or not, the rest of us cannot see that photo

On 7/3/2022 3:47 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
I am looking at a photo that includes part of the end of a boxcar. The boxcar has a nine-rib PS proprietary end, like the so-called PS-0. I can see no reporting marks and only the last three digits of the car number, which I think are 071 (might be 971). The car end is painted a light enough color that the car number is in a dark color (i.e. it's dark on light rather than the "normal" light on dark). The car does not have a turtle-back roof. Does the end style, partial car number, and painting practice provide anyone enough clues to identify the car?

Richard Townsend


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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Richard Townsend
 

Yes. I was hoping the description would be enough. It's here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/403749659026?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase


believe it or not, the rest of us cannot see that photo

On 7/3/2022 3:47 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
I am looking at a photo that includes part of the end of a boxcar. The boxcar has a nine-rib PS proprietary end, like the so-called PS-0. I can see no reporting marks and only the last three digits of the car number, which I think are 071 (might be 971). The car end is painted a light enough color that the car number is in a dark color (i.e. it's dark on light rather than the "normal" light on dark). The car does not have a turtle-back roof. Does the end style, partial car number, and painting practice provide anyone enough clues to identify the car?

Richard Townsend


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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pullman-Standard Boxcar wild goose chase

Tim O'Connor
 


believe it or not, the rest of us cannot see that photo

On 7/3/2022 3:47 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:

I am looking at a photo that includes part of the end of a boxcar. The boxcar has a nine-rib PS proprietary end, like the so-called PS-0. I can see no reporting marks and only the last three digits of the car number, which I think are 071 (might be 971). The car end is painted a light enough color that the car number is in a dark color (i.e. it's dark on light rather than the "normal" light on dark). The car does not have a turtle-back roof. Does the end style, partial car number, and painting practice provide anyone enough clues to identify the car?

Richard Townsend


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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