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7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4

Andy Carlson
 

The most common of improved Youngstown steel doors was the 5/6/6, used in multible widths for nominal 10'6" height box cars. Two common versions of the YSD was as a 5/6/5 and not as well used, the 4/6/6.

For a 7' wide 5/6/5 YSD, I would not work with the Southwest Scale Models 6' wide version, as that would involve two splice lines-one on each side of the center. A much easier route would be to use a Branchline (Now Atlas) 7' 5/6/6 YSD and simply cuting one panel on the bottom section. I would remove the panel just below the bottom horizontal splice line. Whenever I can, I like to make these changes right on the rib, where the witness line will be essentially unobserved, just like you would do on Stanray Murphy panel roofs.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 02:55:15 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Here's one in 1961 (!) on the M&StL I think.

On 7/14/2022 3:54 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
Thanks guys. This is a 5-6-5 door as in the below photo.

Tim, I'm not sure about 10'6 IH, but after looking a bit, afaik the CNJ cars might be the only prototype 10' IH.cars with that style of Youngstown door.

-Phil

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Re: Need help with Canadian Tank Cars

Brian Stokes
 

Darrall, 

Nice to see another Coutts/Sweetgrass modeller. My first real prototype-based layout was Shelby to Coutts ca. 1965.

Have you looked at the traffic patterns through this interchange in your era? I'm always curious about the petroleum sector and what products might flow across the border as I know domestic production followed very specific patterns. What type of tank cars would you see there?

The Hindsight2020 series of online RPM has had a couple of very good presentations lately on British American tank car modelling that you might also find interesting and useful.

Cheers,


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Brian Stokes
North Point Street in Proto:48


Re: 7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4

Tim O'Connor
 


Here's one in 1961 (!) on the M&StL I think.

On 7/14/2022 3:54 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:

Thanks guys. This is a 5-6-5 door as in the below photo.

Tim, I'm not sure about 10'6 IH, but after looking a bit, afaik the CNJ cars might be the only prototype 10' IH.cars with that style of Youngstown door.

-Phil

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Need help with Canadian Tank Cars

Marc Simpson
 

While there aren't any of the series you are looking for, the Canadian Freight Car Gallery has a couple of CGTX car photos in some of the series you list: 

I'll see if I have any photos of these number series in my collection.  As well it would be unlikely that you would see the CN 990895-990969 series as these were generally company service cars that stayed on CN rails.  I haven't seen any photos of them away from CN trackage, but I suppose there is always going to be an exception.  I have a few of these cars late in their careers at various engine terminals in waste oil or fuel service. 

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Marc Simpson


Re: Need help with Canadian Tank Cars

bn2204
 

Yes Tony...I model the BN, but I'm not on the wrong list as the cars were built in the 1940's which makes them appropriate for this list.

Thanks,

Darrall Swift, LaGrange  Ohio
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana,  Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa: August-September 1979


Re: 7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4

Jeff Helm
 

Best to check with Dan via email on inventory, as he has restocked but the Southwest Scale website is not updated.  He may actually have those 6’ doors.
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Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
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Re: Need help with Canadian Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

If you model BN, you are on the wrong list. That’s a decade in the future for this list.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Need help with Canadian Tank Cars

bn2204
 

I'm currently on a mission to add more Canadian freightcars to my roster as I need to fill out BN trains 381 (Butte-Great Falls-Sweetgrass/Coutts, AB), and train 382 (Sweetgrass/Coutts, AB-Great Falls-Butte) with more Canadian cars. 

Looking over an article by Russ Pinchbeck in the July 2002 RMC, Russ describes how to mesh a Type 27 Intermountain underframe with a Tichy USRA tank car body to come up with a Canadian Car & Foundry War Emergency, 10,000g tank car. Here's the roster info supplied by Russ...

CGTX 1600-1699, blt. June 1943, without heater pipes
CGTX 1700-1799, blt. Sept. 1943, with heater pipes
CGTX 1800-1914, blt. June 1947
CNOX 8000-8053, blt. May 1948, withheater pipes
CN 990895-990969, blt. Nov. 1949, with heater pipes
SLAX 49101-49104, blt. Oct.1949. with heater pipes

Looking through John Riddell's "Canadian Railways Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment ", there are photos of CGTX 1772, and CGTX 1776 taken in March 1982, and Oct 1975 respectively which are candidates to be modeled. 

John Riddell also has a picture of CGTX 2668, (former BAOX cars?) taken in Nov. 1981, which is also a 10,000g tank car that appears to be a match for the Tichy tank car body. The only difference that I can make out are the bolsters, and the ladder/running boards, and possibly the dome. Can anyone shed more light on CGTX 2600-2692? Unfortunately,  Ian Cranstone's site appears to illustrate an earlier buikt car.

http://www.nakina.net/photos/cgtx/cgtx002623.jpg

Darrall Swift - LaGrange,  Ohio
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana,  Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa: August-September 1979


Re: Grab Iron On SFRD 7918

Tom Madden
 

I dunno, Bob - the attach points of the brackets on the upper grab are in line, but it appears the "hat" section of the left bracket has been bent upwards.

Tom Madden


Re: 7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4

nyc3001 .
 

Thanks guys. This is a 5-6-5 door as in the below photo.

Tim, I'm not sure about 10'6 IH, but after looking a bit, afaik the CNJ cars might be the only prototype 10' IH.cars with that style of Youngstown door.

-Phil


Re: IC 161722 Chcago, 1940's

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

I’m not sure there was minikit for these cars, but Sunshine did produce a full resin kit for this series of cars. You could probably use the 5/5 square corner Dreadnaught ends RCW and Sunshine once offered for the 40’ IC/Soo/DSS&A cars, but you’d have to do some decal cobbling.

Regards,
Bob Heninger 
Minot, ND.


Grab Iron On SFRD 7918

Bob Chaparro
 

Grab Iron On SFRD 7918

Photo from Karl Sollmann on the Facebook Freight Car Photos group.

Looks to me like this is the way the grab iron was attached rather than damaged.

This is a great relief to folks who haven’t quite mastered attaching grad irons to models.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


ADMIN: This is NOT the Windows Help group.

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               The letters “STMFC” stand for “Steam-era Freight Cars”.  And that is the intended topic for this group.  I’m sure there are other groups that deal with software and PC issues, but this isn’t it.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator,

RealSTMFC

 


Re: maker of small drill bits (#78, #80) for hand drilling resin kits

Fred Swanson
 

I used to get guitar strings free from the music store.  Anytime I went there I'd find drops of strings on the floor from where they changed strings, a lot of it.  Some would look at me funny but most of the time they were more than happy I was picking the stuff up. I would tell them it's for a project.
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Re: IC 161722 Chcago, 1940's

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah ! I didn't notice the S corner ends. That would explain why P2K did no model. Was there a Sunshine mini-kit ?


On 7/14/2022 12:47 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:

These cars had the Square 5/5 Dreadnaught Ends. Brad Hamner did a presentation on kitbashing this car on Hindsight 20/20 Zoom RPM a few years back. The doors were also slightly different.

Rich Christie

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:20:40 AM CDT, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:


According to the car diagram in the IC 1954 freight car diagram book the cars were built by GATC in East Chicago IN in 1937 so the photo could be a delivery photo.  161501 - 161700 had auto loaders and 161701 - 162300 no auto loaders.  At some point (the diagram sheet doesn't give a date) they were renumbered to 44000 - 44199 (auto loaders) and 41000 - 41599 (no auto loaders).

Other data that modelers may find useful:

Trucks: ASF (AAR)

Roof: Rigid riveted type "Hutchins"

Doors: Youngstown Corr Steel

Handbrake: Universal XL 1825

Ladders: Brascott

Some cars in 4100 - 41599 equipped with 50T trucks.

Jeff White Alma IL



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IC 161722 Chcago, 1940's

Tim O'Connor
 


Why do you think Proto 2000 did not do an IC paint scheme on their model? These cars look
awfully close to the P2K 50 foot double door car.



On 7/14/2022 12:20 PM, Jeffrey White wrote:

According to the car diagram in the IC 1954 freight car diagram book the cars were built by GATC in East Chicago IN in 1937 so the photo could be a delivery photo.  161501 - 161700 had auto loaders and 161701 - 162300 no auto loaders.  At some point (the diagram sheet doesn't give a date) they were renumbered to 44000 - 44199 (auto loaders) and 41000 - 41599 (no auto loaders).

Other data that modelers may find useful:

Trucks: ASF (AAR)

Roof: Rigid riveted type "Hutchins"

Doors: Youngstown Corr Steel

Handbrake: Universal XL 1825

Ladders: Brascott

Some cars in 4100 - 41599 equipped with 50T trucks.



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IC 161722 Chcago, 1940's

 

These cars had the Square 5/5 Dreadnaught Ends. Brad Hamner did a presentation on kitbashing this car on Hindsight 20/20 Zoom RPM a few years back. The doors were also slightly different.

Rich Christie

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:20:40 AM CDT, Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...> wrote:


According to the car diagram in the IC 1954 freight car diagram book the cars were built by GATC in East Chicago IN in 1937 so the photo could be a delivery photo.  161501 - 161700 had auto loaders and 161701 - 162300 no auto loaders.  At some point (the diagram sheet doesn't give a date) they were renumbered to 44000 - 44199 (auto loaders) and 41000 - 41599 (no auto loaders).

Other data that modelers may find useful:

Trucks: ASF (AAR)

Roof: Rigid riveted type "Hutchins"

Doors: Youngstown Corr Steel

Handbrake: Universal XL 1825

Ladders: Brascott

Some cars in 4100 - 41599 equipped with 50T trucks.

Jeff White Alma IL

On 7/14/2022 9:07 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Definitely a 1937 photo as Bob says. Here's one of the cars IC 161748 in 1941, and it's quite weathered.

On 7/14/2022 2:37 AM, nyc3001 . wrote:
This looks like the series right after the 161501 series (161700?), which were modeled by the Sunshine kit. They look similar, so I wonder what the differences are.

I wonder if these cars have just been delivered as the other car whose number is visible is 161875, which would be in the same series (?).

-Phil Lee

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Video: Westward Extra 4133

Bob Chaparro
 

Video: Westward Extra 4133

A run-by with a nice assortment of steam and transition era freight cars on Brian Moore’s HO scale railroad in Plymouth, United Kingdom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-htIKKhvqo

Description:

“AC-6 SP 4133 passes a clear train order signal at Guadalupe, Calif. with the westward Golden Gate Manifest.

Wednesday, October 13th, 1954.”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: IC 161722 Chcago, 1940's

Jeffrey White
 

According to the car diagram in the IC 1954 freight car diagram book the cars were built by GATC in East Chicago IN in 1937 so the photo could be a delivery photo.  161501 - 161700 had auto loaders and 161701 - 162300 no auto loaders.  At some point (the diagram sheet doesn't give a date) they were renumbered to 44000 - 44199 (auto loaders) and 41000 - 41599 (no auto loaders).

Other data that modelers may find useful:

Trucks: ASF (AAR)

Roof: Rigid riveted type "Hutchins"

Doors: Youngstown Corr Steel

Handbrake: Universal XL 1825

Ladders: Brascott

Some cars in 4100 - 41599 equipped with 50T trucks.

Jeff White Alma IL

On 7/14/2022 9:07 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Definitely a 1937 photo as Bob says. Here's one of the cars IC 161748 in 1941, and it's quite weathered.

On 7/14/2022 2:37 AM, nyc3001 . wrote:
This looks like the series right after the 161501 series (161700?), which were modeled by the Sunshine kit. They look similar, so I wonder what the differences are.

I wonder if these cars have just been delivered as the other car whose number is visible is 161875, which would be in the same series (?).

-Phil Lee

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4

Brian Carlson
 

Yes. The 7’ is the issue. The Dan Hall 10 ft doors are Out of stock. 

On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



That's a 5-6-5 Youngstown door yes? Dan Hall made a 6 foot 5-6-5 door (#614) that may work
with some vertical splices and then resin molds and casting. Many prototype cars had 5-6-5 but I
don't know how many of those had 7 foot doors.


On 7/13/2022 9:03 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
Hi guys,

I just acquired a Sunshine kit for a CRP XM-4, but it was for the Superior door version. I want to make this car the Youngstown door version as there were more than twice as many. Does anyone know if there's a source for the right Youngstown door? If not I may have to splice.

Thanks,
Phil Lee

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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