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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

Tim O'Connor
 

Nelson

You say $150 to $187.50 average ?? Hmm. Maybe I should take people up in this custom
model building thing... I agree -- I have plenty of models and time, and not enough money! :-D

Tim O'Connor


On 7/16/2022 4:15 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

Ouch! That’s $12-15k for 80 cars. My roster has 465 cars (not all resin) for $16.4k plus the cost of detail parts, paint, trucks, and couplers not in kits. A small percentage of cars are RTR from Tangent, Rapido, and Exactrail. In retirement, money’s more valuable than time.

 

Nelson Moyer



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 2447

Chris Barkan
 


Drew,

Yes, it may have originated as a New Haven Railroad Historical & Technical Association special run kit, and then entered the F&C line of regular products.   See attached photos of one of these that just happens to be for sale on EBay right now. 

Eastern Seaboard Models has announced that they are producing these cars as a high-quality injection molded plastic model.  My understanding is that they are expected this fall.
http://esmc.com/ProdLine4000.html
--
Chris Barkan
Deerfield, MA


Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

Tony Thompson
 




On Jul 16, 2022, at 6:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Ed,
In science, this is what is called "anecdotal evidence". Given that I'm pretty sure that the owner of this shop never actually surveyed his customers in a scientific manner, it is clear that this report must be regarded with deep skepticism. Anecdotes do not equal data. 😉 Sadly, some people believe that this sort of thing actually constitutes "truth". It does not. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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The owner of hobbies for men in Beacon, NY told me 99% of "craftsman" model railroad car kits are never completed. I guess the more expensive a kit the less likely it was to be attempted.


Re: Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 2447

Drew M.
 

Wasn't this car offered as a kit by F&C years ago?

Drew Marshall in humid South Jersey


Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

Tony Thompson
 




On Jul 16, 2022, at 6:51 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Ed,
In science, this is what is called "anecdotal evidence". Given that I'm pretty sure that the owner of this shop never actually surveyed his customers in a scientific manner, it is clear that this report must be regarded with deep skepticism. Anecdotes do not equal data. 😉 Sadly, some people believe that this sort of thing actually constitutes "truth". It does not. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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The owner of hobbies for men in Beacon, NY told me 99% of "craftsman" model railroad car kits are never completed. I guess the more expensive a kit the less likely it was to be attempted.


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 570062 (1941)

Bruce Smith
 

Guy, 

Correct. They were changed out, probably for reasons of standardization. After all, the PRR didn't want to stock parts for two different systems, and couldn't count on other railroads to have parts either. So a non-standard system was a real problem.

I'm also not sure why you think that this is a one or the other situation. The PRR did both, convert KD to AB and upgrade existing AB.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Bruce Smith wrote:

“The last batch of X29s built, post 1930, were built with experimental AB brakes with a transverse mounted reservoir. When these were upgraded to the more conventional AB brakes, by and large they retained the transverse mounting.”

What was a “more conventional” “AB” brake system?  The PRR changed out the existing system on 925 cars due to minor changes in the control valve and the later cast steel reservoir?  Seems as though the money would have been better spent towards converting “K” brakes to “AB” systems on older cars.  When was that program implemented?  

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada



Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,
In science, this is what is called "anecdotal evidence". Given that I'm pretty sure that the owner of this shop never actually surveyed his customers in a scientific manner, it is clear that this report must be regarded with deep skepticism. Anecdotes do not equal data. 😉 Sadly, some people believe that this sort of thing actually constitutes "truth". It does not. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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The owner of hobbies for men in Beacon, NY told me 99% of "craftsman" model railroad car kits are never completed. I guess the more expensive a kit the less likely it was to be attempted.


Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 8000

Richard Wilkens
 

One last photo from the Bangor & Aroostook, refrigerator car BAR 8000, built April 1955. Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive Collection.

Richard Wilkens


Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 7471

Richard Wilkens
 

Pacific Car & Foundry built Bangor & Aroostook refrigerator car BAR 7471, built March 1952. Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive Collection.

Richard Wilkens


Bangor & Aroostook Refrigerator Car BAR 2447

Richard Wilkens
 

Sometime ago the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive was donated a large amount of scans of freight cars built at Pacific Car & Foundry. While the majority are of logging equipment we have quite a few of common carrier cars. Here is the first one and it is of Bangor & Aroostook refrigerator Car BAR 2447, built June 1953.

Richard Wilkens
Director of Collections
Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive


Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car

Jim Pattison
 

Ken, That will be impressive when finished.

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car

 

I have been working on a repaint/decal of the RTR Trix UP A-50-16.  The body is considered fairly accurate according to most authorities. The under side and underframe is where I am hung up as I have to build a completely scratch underframe AND add the Evans Loader chain cylinders which are visible below the side sills. These impacted the location of the brake gear components attached to the underframe and underside.


Decaling still in very slow progress. 

I am still looking for an accurate plan showing the underside brake and loader component placement.

National Scale Car has this decal with white lettering and which is correct until the UP switched to all yellow lettering in 1947. These cars were probably still mostly in white and yellow in the early 1950's, my modeling period.
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

Charlie Duckworth
 

It’s not just the model RR crowd am sure it’s true across the model airplane, ships and armor as well.  I’m on a model armor web site and about once a month a member posts a group of kits for sale.  You  have to, some model RRers changing to larger gauges due to eye sight and dexterity issues.   
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: New kits from Yarmouth Model Works

brianleppert@att.net
 

D&RGW stock car #39210 is on display at the Depot Park Museum in Sonoma, CA.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Sadly no.

Steve Hile

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WAS THE gars (Rock Island) refer kit in the presentation ever done?
 
Bill Pardie

On Jul 16, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
Thanks Charlie for posting Steve Hile's 2018 presentation "Resin Freight Car Kits, Past, Present and Future" from the 2018 Chicagoland RPM.  I had not seen that previously. It is interesting and useful for understanding how we got where we are today.  There were a number of conversations at the NERPM meet last month in Springfield, MA about how 3D printing opens up whole new vistas for the hobby so it is interesting to me that that topic is shown on the last slide of Steve's presentation under "Issues".  Can anyone comment on what the down side of 3D printing is vis-a-vis prototype model kit production?  That technology would seem to add a tool to our collective toolbox by offering a means of generating masters for certain resin casting components and replacing others.

Chris

Charlie Duckworth Jul 15   #193969
Bill
This PP by Steve Hile says Martin did 100 base kits and 1,250 variations. 
Charlie 
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Chris Barkan
Deerfield, MA

 


Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

ed_mines
 

The owner of hobbies for men in Beacon, NY told me 99% of "craftsman" model railroad car kits are never completed. I guess the more expensive a kit the less likely it was to be attempted.


Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car

Clark Propst
 

Thank Rich. Glad I model a few year earlier so I’m not tempted  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: 7' wide 10' IH Youngstown door for CRP XM-4

Clark Propst
 

Photo taken on the MSTL (Lime Creek bridge) just south of the depot, in Mason City IA, 1961 by Soph Marty. Doug Harding

 

Always got the cigar...The bridge is over Willow Creek. The Winnebago River’s original name was Lime Creek...Before my time  ;  ))

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car

Ken Adams
 

I have been working on a repaint/decal of the RTR Trix UP A-50-16.  The body is considered fairly accurate according to most authorities. The under side and underframe is where I am hung up as I have to build a completely scratch underframe AND add the Evans Loader chain cylinders which are visible below the side sills. These impacted the location of the brake gear components attached to the underframe and underside.


Decaling still in very slow progress. 

I am still looking for an accurate plan showing the underside brake and loader component placement.

National Scale Car has this decal with white lettering and which is correct until the UP switched to all yellow lettering in 1947. These cars were probably still mostly in white and yellow in the early 1950's, my modeling period.
--
Ken Adams
Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: UP 40' Double door automobile car

Jim Pattison
 

Richard, thanks, that is great info.  I appreciate all the detail.

Jim Pattison

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Remiarz
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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The model is a combination of two prototype cars.  The roof, ends, and side sill match the GN 3000-3499 series built in 1955, while the sides, ends, and doors match the 3500-3999 series built in 1956.  To correctly model the 3500-3599 series the roof needs to be changed to an overhanging diagonal panel roof and the side sills modified.  The 3000-3499 series had a 15’ door opening with a 7’ and 8’ door and different rivet pattern on the sides.

 

There will be an article on kit-bashing the 3000-3499 series cars by Ted Fandel in an upcoming issue of the GNRHS Modelers’ Pages.  Being the editor for the Modelers’ Pages I get to see the articles ahead of time, and am in the process of building one of these cars myself.  I just finished the master of the left hand door yesterday.  The door is pieced together from three pieces from two different Kadee 7’ Youngstown doors.  The door on the right is a Kadee 8’ door.  Joe Binish will make a mold of the door next week.  I need to build several of these cars for my layout so additional doors will be cast.

 

I am also working on one of the 3500 series cars.  I shortened a Branchline 50’ overhanging diagonal panel roof and cut down the side sills.  I am currently detailing the underframe.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

 

 

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From: Andy Carlson
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 3:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car

 

This car is the Mckeen Models 40' DD box car. Diagonal panel roof, "banana taper" Dreadnaught end and twin 6' IYSD with a door post centered between the L & R doors. Those ends indicate at least a 1955 build date. This car has been discussed many times to this group. To me, it seems close to a 1955 built Great Northern car though the side sill is wrong and the roof should be an overhanging eave design.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GN 3975, one of 500 in the series of 3500-3999, all built in 1955.

-Andy Carlson

 

From: On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car

 


Is that the Accurail model ? It's very similar to many prototypes but I don't think there is any
exact match for the sides + door opening + ends + roof.

Definitely not a UP A-50-16.

On 7/16/2022 12:44 PM, Jim Pattison wrote:

I picked up a couple of these cars a long time ago.  Now I am wondering are they even close to being accurate?

Thanks

Jim Pattison

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Re: Some Thoughts On Resin Kit Stashes

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

WAS THE gars (Rock Island) refer kit in the presentation ever done?

Bill Pardie

On Jul 16, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:

Thanks Charlie for posting Steve Hile's 2018 presentation "Resin Freight Car Kits, Past, Present and Future" from the 2018 Chicagoland RPM.  I had not seen that previously. It is interesting and useful for understanding how we got where we are today.  There were a number of conversations at the NERPM meet last month in Springfield, MA about how 3D printing opens up whole new vistas for the hobby so it is interesting to me that that topic is shown on the last slide of Steve's presentation under "Issues".  Can anyone comment on what the down side of 3D printing is vis-a-vis prototype model kit production?  That technology would seem to add a tool to our collective toolbox by offering a means of generating masters for certain resin casting components and replacing others.

Chris

Charlie Duckworth Jul 15   #193969
Bill
This PP by Steve Hile says Martin did 100 base kits and 1,250 variations. 
Charlie 
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Chris Barkan
Deerfield, MA

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