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Re: Aluminum Box Cars?

 

Brian, It did get gobbled up into the GM&O. My understanding is it did not stay lettered for Alton for very long.

Rich Christie


Looking For Westerfield Flat Kit Version USRA Double Sheath Boxcar Kits

S. Busch
 

Good morning and thanks very much to my request for these kits.

 

I now have enough to get to work on them!

 

Thanks to all!

 

Steve Busch

 

Here one of the Pere Marquette 8500 series cars that was sold to the Piedmont and Northern - -

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of S. Busch
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 4:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Looking For Westerfield Flat Kit Version USRA Double Sheath Boxcar Kits

 

Hello - -

 

The recent discussion about resin kit stashes prompts me to enquire,

 

I am wondering where I might obtain an unbuilt “Flat Kit” version of Westerfield’s (present number) 3800 series USRA Double Sheath “as built” boxcar kit? 

 

My plan is to use these with some 3D printed special ends to come up with a Pere Marquette 8500 series car.  I have the one piece body kits that Andrew sells now, but removing the ends from the one piece kit is a lot of work which might easily ruin the kit if not done exceedingly well.  Using individual sides makes life a lot easier I would like to think.

 

I would prefer the gray resin sides, but might even go with the old brittle brownish material from way back when.

 

All told, I’m hoping to find two of them, and I’ll be willing to pay Westerfields’ current price of $40 each?

 

Thanks, everyone!

 

Regards,

 

Steve Busch

Duncan, SC

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Re: Aluminum Box Cars?

Tim O'Connor
 


Brian thanks for posting that digital scan C&A 1200.

The distinctive 14 panel aluminum box cars were built for five railroads C&A, NKP, RI, C&O, M&StL.

The Great Northern design was unique to the GN.



On 7/20/2022 10:32 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

My bad; it was Alton, not GM&O.


 Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:18 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Aluminum Box Cars?

 

There was an Illinois Central aluminum box car on E-bay last week.  Not so interested in the car, but it did get me to thinking... Great Northern had one (only) aluminum box car.  Ebay had a NP aluminum box car listed a while ago.  Where these only experimental cars (I think that I read that somewhere, probably in relation to the GN car)?  Or a prototype for some railways?  (Southern Pacific had the silver overnight cars, but not certain if they were aluminum or not).

Ray Hutchison

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Aluminum Box Cars?

Ian Cranstone
 

There were also experiments in aluminum boxcars in Canada in the years following the Second World War. Canadian National had 3 aluminum boxcars delivered in January 1946 (they also had five aluminum triple hoppers and five overhead ice bunker reefers built as well).

The Roberval & Saguenay Railway was a little more involved with aluminum, which had much to do with Alcan being a major online customer. 30 aluminum boxcars were delivered in 1947, and an additional car in 1949. They also rostered a significant number of aluminum hoppers.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


On 2022-07-20 10:18, Ray Hutchison wrote:

There was an Illinois Central aluminum box car on E-bay last week.  Not so interested in the car, but it did get me to thinking... Great Northern had one (only) aluminum box car.  Ebay had a NP aluminum box car listed a while ago.  Where these only experimental cars (I think that I read that somewhere, probably in relation to the GN car)?  Or a prototype for some railways?  (Southern Pacific had the silver overnight cars, but not certain if they were aluminum or not).

Ray Hutchison


Re: Aluminum Box Cars?

 

My bad; it was Alton, not GM&O.

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "BRIAN PAUL EHNI via groups.io" <bpehni@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:20 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Aluminum Box Cars?

 

In addition to the ones you mention, Rock Island and GM&O (?) had one. All experimental. SP overnight cars were steel painted silver.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:18 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Aluminum Box Cars?

 

There was an Illinois Central aluminum box car on E-bay last week.  Not so interested in the car, but it did get me to thinking... Great Northern had one (only) aluminum box car.  Ebay had a NP aluminum box car listed a while ago.  Where these only experimental cars (I think that I read that somewhere, probably in relation to the GN car)?  Or a prototype for some railways?  (Southern Pacific had the silver overnight cars, but not certain if they were aluminum or not).

Ray Hutchison


Re: Aluminum Box Cars?

 

In addition to the ones you mention, Rock Island and GM&O (?) had one. All experimental. SP overnight cars were steel painted silver.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:18 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Aluminum Box Cars?

 

There was an Illinois Central aluminum box car on E-bay last week.  Not so interested in the car, but it did get me to thinking... Great Northern had one (only) aluminum box car.  Ebay had a NP aluminum box car listed a while ago.  Where these only experimental cars (I think that I read that somewhere, probably in relation to the GN car)?  Or a prototype for some railways?  (Southern Pacific had the silver overnight cars, but not certain if they were aluminum or not).

Ray Hutchison


Aluminum Box Cars?

Ray Hutchison
 

There was an Illinois Central aluminum box car on E-bay last week.  Not so interested in the car, but it did get me to thinking... Great Northern had one (only) aluminum box car.  Ebay had a NP aluminum box car listed a while ago.  Where these only experimental cars (I think that I read that somewhere, probably in relation to the GN car)?  Or a prototype for some railways?  (Southern Pacific had the silver overnight cars, but not certain if they were aluminum or not).

Ray Hutchison


Re: Grab Iron On SFRD 7918

wrlyders
 

This grab iron thread has been going on for quite a while. But I have never seen a mention of a super grab iron tool at Micro Mark that has made the many grab irons I have had to make for my scratch built HO and O-scale cars: #84745 Grab Iron Bending Gauge

 

I have attached a picture of it. Enjoy!!

 

Bill

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Grab Iron On SFRD 7918

 

Yes. 

Someone else pointed out that the standoff bracket is very slightly bent upward so that might account for the crooked grab iron.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Some recent builds

hubert mask
 

Nice


On Jul 20, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:



Here’s some recent steam era builds.  That you may have missed if not on the resin builders .io   The Cotton Belt car still needs a little weathering 

EDDF80C7-8887-41C9-A3D1-30FBFD0A3E9B.jpeg9792A04C-A9DA-4660-833A-AC60628918AB.jpeg81724A93-A2E7-4007-BEA4-05897BF3F977.jpegB37DA683-7C05-4E6D-8BD0-4B5E4F7DF055.jpeg
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Northern Pacific Automobile Box Car NP 8029

 

Was helping a friend build some 2’x8’ frames for his train layout. He went to great lengths to get “straight” 1”x4”s. All four had something wrong with them, though they all looked “straight”. But once made into frames, with bracing one each end an in the middle, they look OK. Hopefully, they will remain so in the airconditioned, humidity controlled environment they are now in.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Daniel A. Mitchell" <danmitch@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 8:43 AM
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Northern Pacific Automobile Box Car NP 8029

 

That’s very true. We are talking wood construction here. Wood is NOT stable. It expands, contracts, bends, warps, twists, and does all manner of distortions … and every board is different. One could very carefully match every board, planing, sanding, jointing, etc. (FAR more than was ever done in actual car construction), and produce a near-perfect car side. In a few days everything would be out-of-whack again due to changes in humidity and temperature. It’s just not stable. And it would all keep changing every few days for the life of the car.

 

And no steel frame can totally prevent this. Resist, yes ... prevent, no. Large scale (carside) warps are unlikely since all the boards warp randomly.

 

Actually, the older the car gets the less it would keep changing, as the stresses and strains within the wood would gradually relax with age. The most dramatic changes would occur in the car's first year of life. The distortions were already starting as the car was rolled out of the builder’s shop.

 

Dan Mitchell

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On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast@...> wrote:

 

Another consideration is slight warping of the boards which would create slight offset of the horizontal joints.  



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Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 

 


Re: Northern Pacific Automobile Box Car NP 8029

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

That’s very true. We are talking wood construction here. Wood is NOT stable. It expands, contracts, bends, warps, twists, and does all manner of distortions … and every board is different. One could very carefully match every board, planing, sanding, jointing, etc. (FAR more than was ever done in actual car construction), and produce a near-perfect car side. In a few days everything would be out-of-whack again due to changes in humidity and temperature. It’s just not stable. And it would all keep changing every few days for the life of the car.

And no steel frame can totally prevent this. Resist, yes ... prevent, no. Large scale (carside) warps are unlikely since all the boards warp randomly.

Actually, the older the car gets the less it would keep changing, as the stresses and strains within the wood would gradually relax with age. The most dramatic changes would occur in the car's first year of life. The distortions were already starting as the car was rolled out of the builder’s shop.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:59 PM, Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast@...> wrote:

Another consideration is slight warping of the boards which would create slight offset of the horizontal joints.  




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Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 


Re: Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)

lsittler
 

Thanks Clark. I have some of those Testor enamels. Appreciate the help. Les Sittler
 
From: Clark Propst via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)
 

Clark- What paint brand are you using to tint the Dullcote- Floquil or Scalecoat? Les Sittler

 

Tough to find model paint in these parts anymore. I used Testors little rectangular bottles, enamel I think. I save old Testors liquid cement bottles (use a lot building structures) add a 50/50 mix of Dullcote and lacquer  thinner with a few drops if color. As I use the tinted mix and add more liquid the tint opacity varies.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Some recent builds

Paul Doggett
 

Charlie 

All very nice.

Paul Doggett 


On 20 Jul 2022, at 11:36, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51@...> wrote:



Here’s some recent steam era builds.  That you may have missed if not on the resin builders .io   The Cotton Belt car still needs a little weathering 

EDDF80C7-8887-41C9-A3D1-30FBFD0A3E9B.jpeg9792A04C-A9DA-4660-833A-AC60628918AB.jpeg81724A93-A2E7-4007-BEA4-05897BF3F977.jpegB37DA683-7C05-4E6D-8BD0-4B5E4F7DF055.jpeg
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Some recent builds

Charlie Duckworth
 

Here’s some recent steam era builds.  That you may have missed if not on the resin builders .io   The Cotton Belt car still needs a little weathering 


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


WANTED: Sunshine #22.6 CB&Q XA-7/8 40' os brace 10'IH wood 1 1/2 door Murphy ends

Fred Jansz
 

I'm modeling WP's Quincy Junction and the Quincy RR. One car that was visible on many Quincy RR pictures was this CB&Q XA-7/8, which was done by Sunshine a long time ago: #22.6 CB&Q XA-7/8 40' os brace 10'IH wood 1 1/2 door Murphy ends $27. If you have the kit, or the built up car, I'm interested in purchasing it. Let me know, the car wil be 'at home', thanks.
Fred Jansz
NB: shipping to LA, CA.


Re: Alaska Railroad Hart Convertible Ballast Gondola ARR 1443

Robert Bowdidge
 

I made the 3d-printed SP Hart gondolas.  I don't have any of the "as-built" models left, but still have a few "modernized" cars with the side dump doors removed.  I'm not planning on making additional cars any time soon due to time pressure from the day job.

As others pointed out, the Hart gondolas came in a range of sizes and shapes depending on the era they were made, the railroad who ordered them, and perhaps the car builder who actually built them.  Like other wood cars, they also got a lot of abuse and so likely got rebuilt in interesting and diverse ways.  The SP W-50-3 cars were built in 1911; they were 40' long inside with 3' high side walls and wood side posts.  These match the dimensions of the original Alaska Railroad 1400 series cars built in 1918:

https://www.alaskarails.org/pix2/gone-cars/eng_drwgs/hart-convertible-1400.jpg

They're definitely not the same as the 1930-built ARR 1443 from Williams's photos which used a lot more steel and had different door arrangements.

If anyone's got a photo of the original ARR cars, I'd be curious how they compare to the SP cars.

Robert Bowdidge

rbowdidge@...


Re: Prototype for Branchline 37-Foot Reefer?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

3:30 PM on Saturday.   See you there!

 

Steve

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 6:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype for Branchline 37-Foot Reefer?

 

Steve. When is your reefer clinic?  I want to be there for that

Fenton 



On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:



It is nice that the ends and sides are separate.  The MDC plastic is quite soft.  Also, the Accurail 36’ underframe fits in well in lieu of the cast one.

 

I have used a couple of these for Swift cars for a clinic later this month at Collinsville.

 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 12:36 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype for Branchline 37-Foot Reefer?

 

Just catching up with all the responses. Appreciate the Branchline history lesson!

 

Per request, here are photos of the kit (I had already stripped the vintage billboard paint from the carbody). The diecast underbody definitely has a MDC look.    

 

I'll have to dig out Richard H's RMJ article -- sounds like just what I need to do prototype justice to the kit.

 

Thanks to everyone,

Bob Chapman


Re: Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)

Clark Propst
 

Clark- What paint brand are you using to tint the Dullcote- Floquil or Scalecoat? Les Sittler

 

Tough to find model paint in these parts anymore. I used Testors little rectangular bottles, enamel I think. I save old Testors liquid cement bottles (use a lot building structures) add a 50/50 mix of Dullcote and lacquer  thinner with a few drops if color. As I use the tinted mix and add more liquid the tint opacity varies.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Looking For Westerfield Flat Kit Version USRA Double Sheath Boxcar Kits

Kenneth Montero
 

Steve,

I forgot to mention that the kit is no. 3811 and has gray resin parts.

Ken Montero

On 07/19/2022 6:29 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:


Steve,

I have one from the Crossville TN production. Please contact me off-line: va661midlo [at] comcast [dot] net

Kenneth Montero

PS I think Al Westerfield did the 3800 series with one piece bodies just before he sold the line to Andrew (I have 2 kits with one-piece bodies), so anyone looking to fulfill Steve's request should check the contents of the kit box before responding.
On 07/19/2022 4:07 PM S. Busch <scsbusch@...> wrote:


Hello - -

 

The recent discussion about resin kit stashes prompts me to enquire,

 

I am wondering where I might obtain an unbuilt “Flat Kit” version of Westerfield’s (present number) 3800 series USRA Double Sheath “as built” boxcar kit? 

 

My plan is to use these with some 3D printed special ends to come up with a Pere Marquette 8500 series car.  I have the one piece body kits that Andrew sells now, but removing the ends from the one piece kit is a lot of work which might easily ruin the kit if not done exceedingly well.  Using individual sides makes life a lot easier I would like to think.

 

I would prefer the gray resin sides, but might even go with the old brittle brownish material from way back when.

 

All told, I’m hoping to find two of them, and I’ll be willing to pay Westerfields’ current price of $40 each?

 

Thanks, everyone!

 

Regards,

 

Steve Busch

Duncan, SC


Re: Northern Pacific Automobile Box Car NP 8029

Ted Larson
 

Another consideration is slight warping of the boards which would create slight offset of the horizontal joints.  




--
Ted Larson
Trainweb.org/MHRR   ---   GN in 1965   ---   NASG.org 

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