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Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Jim Pattison
 

Bob, thanks for the good info.  Not sure I want to spend enough to get a Rapido so it looks like Bowser and a sharp Exacto blade for me.

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Allan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 11:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

[Edited Message Follows]

The Bowser X31abkits are reasonably cheap and can be upgraded with a little effort.  Don't forget Rapido's excellent RTR version of the same car. (Rapido on the right modified Bowser on the left)

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Jim Pattison
 

Brain, that is good info, thank you

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 10:45 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Bowser. To me they have shortcomings in the underframe and cast on details but with a little work they are acceptable.  Now a double door X31a I would use Rapido but X31, X31b, X31c, X31d, and x31f, you can start with bowser. 

 

From the X32 and X33 bowser is the only plastic starting point. 

 

Oh and most bowsers need new paint.  Lee used a west rd shape of FCC for a while and the lettering was off. 

 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jul 22, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Jim Pattison <jim@S was.net> wrote:



Brian, I don’t know enough about the Bowser cars to have an opinion. What is yours?

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 9:57 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Plastic. Maybe, depending on your opinion of the bowser PRR x31, x32, and x33 family of cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 




On Jul 22, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:



Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Jim Pattison
 

Todd, thanks for the info.  I think I can replace grabs and maybe doors so Boweser sounds good to me.

On the NYC what about the Proto 2000 like this one on eBay?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/401750818724?hash=item5d8a36ffa4:g:jvoAAOSwdzVXq0tI

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 10:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Jim,

Bowser has both 50 ft and 40 ft double door autoboxes for the PRR.  It's just that they have molded on ladders and grabs, but they are pretty accurate.  Rapido is doing or has done the 40ft version (X31A), and F&C has the more modern X37A. 

The NYC seemed to walk to the beat of their own drummer.  Sunshine did a neat NYC 40ft DD rebuild, and Ted Culota has written up how to build NYC singe door 50footers, but that's about all I can recall, other than Westerfield's 'USRA' early all steel 40ft door and a half cars.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)

O Fenton Wells
 

Great job Clark, love how you handled the doors. Way cool
Fenton

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 2:36 PM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Clark 

That’s looking really great.

Paul Doggett 


On 22 Jul 2022, at 19:20, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:

Here's the finished model. Even though the doors ain't quite right I like it.
Clark

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 

That’s looking really great.

Paul Doggett 


On 22 Jul 2022, at 19:20, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Here's the finished model. Even though the doors ain't quite right I like it.
Clark

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Re: Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)

Clark Propst
 

Here's the finished model. Even though the doors ain't quite right I like it.
Clark


Re: Just say ‘thanks for your trouble’

Marty McGuirk
 

Charlie, 

I just checked my Spam/Junk folder and found 14 messages - all from this group (including, ironically, some from this thread). I think the reason for so many may be some  of those messages being clear examples of someone in the group having been hacked “Check this photo out, recognize these two” is the content. 

Again, not trying to make excuses, just offering an alternative. 

Marty McGuirk


On Jul 22, 2022, at 1:35 PM, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Charlie and All-
Most Model Railroaders are appreciative of others when they extend a courtesy.  
Perhaps it is just an instance of life (or these days illness!) getting in the way.   I’ve had stuff fall throught the cracks and not see responses to questions I’ve posed until I start doing a cleanup of my inbox due to being away…between business, the groups I belong to and unsolicited junk I get upwards of 200 emails a day. 
If it is just ignorance perhaps the jailer might want to watch out for any further posts from the individual looking for help!
Charlie Vlk
 
Don't give up  Charlie, while there are a few bad eggs out there most of us will appreciate your efforts
Fenton
 
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:37 AM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:

After posting images of a resin car I’d built recently I received a private email saying that the sender had bought the same car at a swap meet and it was missing the instructions and PDS.  He asked if I could send him the paperwork.   I went down to basement and got my scanner, located the paperwork, scanned and emailed what he’d asked for probably 20 minutes of effort.  No response on receiving my email for the past two days so I asked him yesterday ‘did you get my PDF’?  

Still being ghosted - needless to say it makes one think twice about helping the next guy when this happens.  


-- 
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

 
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Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Robert Allan
 
Edited

The Bowser X31abkits are reasonably cheap and can be upgraded with a little effort.  Don't forget Rapido's excellent RTR version of the same car. (Rapido on the right modified Bowser on the left)

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: Just say ‘thanks for your trouble’

Charlie Vlk
 

Kevin-

 

Because of some groups that insisted on using Facebook I have to “go there” occasionally but I do not use it.  Too much useless selfie mentality posts on friends updates. 
“Social Media” is slanted towards stream of consciousness mentality without capacity for organization or later retrieval.  If anyone is waiting for an answer from me through Facebook Messenger they are going to be disappointed.  I don’t see any redeeming value to it over email.

 

Thank you STMFC leaders for going to groups.io which doesn’t require me to go online to participate unless I want to do some research into past discussion items or reference material….which is very doable.

 

Charlie Vlk


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Todd Sullivan
 

Jim,

Bowser has both 50 ft and 40 ft double door autoboxes for the PRR.  It's just that they have molded on ladders and grabs, but they are pretty accurate.  Rapido is doing or has done the 40ft version (X31A), and F&C has the more modern X37A. 

The NYC seemed to walk to the beat of their own drummer.  Sunshine did a neat NYC 40ft DD rebuild, and Ted Culota has written up how to build NYC singe door 50footers, but that's about all I can recall, other than Westerfield's 'USRA' early all steel 40ft door and a half cars.

Todd Sullivan


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Brian Carlson
 

Bowser. To me they have shortcomings in the underframe and cast on details but with a little work they are acceptable.  Now a double door X31a I would use Rapido but X31, X31b, X31c, X31d, and x31f, you can start with bowser. 

From the X32 and X33 bowser is the only plastic starting point. 

Oh and most bowsers need new paint.  Lee used a west rd shape of FCC for a while and the lettering was off. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 22, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Jim Pattison <jim@S was.net> wrote:



Brian, I don’t know enough about the Bowser cars to have an opinion. What is yours?

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 9:57 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Plastic. Maybe, depending on your opinion of the bowser PRR x31, x32, and x33 family of cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jul 22, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:



Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

O Fenton Wells
 

Not right now but you may try on e Bay or ask on HO swap for someone who wants to sell a copy.  The way they are bound I'm not sure I could copy and scan without messing my copy up. Fenton
Fenton

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 1:14 PM Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:

Fenton, thanks for that. Know of a source for that book?  Speedwitch shows it as out of stock and isn’t on eBay either.

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 10:00 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Jim, for NYC look at Ted Culotta's Prototype Modeler Vol 4 it has a great article on bashing NYC 50 boxcars.  I'm sure there are many more for both PRR and NYC but that one stands out to me

Fenton

 

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 12:51 PM Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:

Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Just say ‘thanks for your trouble’

Charlie Vlk
 

Charlie and All-

Most Model Railroaders are appreciative of others when they extend a courtesy. 

Perhaps it is just an instance of life (or these days illness!) getting in the way.   I’ve had stuff fall throught the cracks and not see responses to questions I’ve posed until I start doing a cleanup of my inbox due to being away…between business, the groups I belong to and unsolicited junk I get upwards of 200 emails a day.

If it is just ignorance perhaps the jailer might want to watch out for any further posts from the individual looking for help!

Charlie Vlk

 

Don't give up  Charlie, while there are a few bad eggs out there most of us will appreciate your efforts

Fenton

 

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:37 AM Charlie Duckworth via groups.io <Worth51=duck.com@groups.io> wrote:

After posting images of a resin car I’d built recently I received a private email saying that the sender had bought the same car at a swap meet and it was missing the instructions and PDS.  He asked if I could send him the paperwork.   I went down to basement and got my scanner, located the paperwork, scanned and emailed what he’d asked for probably 20 minutes of effort.  No response on receiving my email for the past two days so I asked him yesterday ‘did you get my PDF’?  

Still being ghosted - needless to say it makes one think twice about helping the next guy when this happens.  


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

 

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Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Jim Pattison
 

Good point. HO scale

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 10:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Jim Pattison asked:

"...are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?"

 

What scale?

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Jim Pattison
 

Fenton, thanks for that. Know of a source for that book?  Speedwitch shows it as out of stock and isn’t on eBay either.

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 10:00 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Jim, for NYC look at Ted Culotta's Prototype Modeler Vol 4 it has a great article on bashing NYC 50 boxcars.  I'm sure there are many more for both PRR and NYC but that one stands out to me

Fenton

 

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 12:51 PM Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:

Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Benjamin Hom
 

Jim Pattison asked:
"...are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?"

What scale?


Ben Hom


Re: Grab Iron On SFRD 7918

Dave Parker
 

Bill and group:

Individual email providers can be erratic about conveying images posted to this group, especially given the different options the sender has (email vs grouips io Messages; attached vs embedded).

If I am unsure about whether I have received an image, I always check the groups io Messages, because any sent image should always be there.

I sent the photo of my bending jig in message 194280, and you should be able to find it there embedded within the message.  If not, let me know.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Jim Pattison
 

Brian, I don’t know enough about the Bowser cars to have an opinion. What is yours?

Jim

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 9:57 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

 

Plastic. Maybe, depending on your opinion of the bowser PRR x31, x32, and x33 family of cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Jul 22, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:



Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

O Fenton Wells
 

Jim, for NYC look at Ted Culotta's Prototype Modeler Vol 4 it has a great article on bashing NYC 50 boxcars.  I'm sure there are many more for both PRR and NYC but that one stands out to me
Fenton

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 12:51 PM Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:

Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: PRR & NYC double door boxcar models?

Brian Carlson
 

Plastic. Maybe, depending on your opinion of the bowser PRR x31, x32, and x33 family of cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 22, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:



Hi, are there any good (accurate) plastic models of 50’ or 40’ double door boxcars (automobile cars)  for the PRR and the NYC?

I’ll appreciate any and all advice.

Thanks

Jim Pattison

 


--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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