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Re: California Dispatch Lines Tankcar
Richard Hendrickson
Richard Wilkens wrote:
I'm trying to find information on California Dispatch Lines tankcar CDLXCDLX 222-231 were listed in the 10/38 AND 1/40 ORERS but were gone by 7/43. As they were class ARA II cars, they could not have been built later than 1917, and were 6,000 gals. nominal capacity. I can probably identify the builder if you have a photo you can scan or photocopy. California Despatch Line was a modest size regional tank car leasing company headquartered in San Francisco with a fleet of 372 cars in 1943 and about 400 cars in the early 1950s. They leased cars of all types but specialized in glass lined cars used for bulk wine shipments and, after WW II, in ICC-105 high pressure cars for liquified petroleum gas service. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
ljack70117@...
That is my point. No mater what some one calls something, A rose by any other name is still a rose.
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In the paint industry Acrylic paint is water base. If you have a container of paint that has the world acrylic on it and it thins with anything other than water then it is not acrylic. They have started calling other paint that has different hard pigments in it acrylic. But that is not the mainstream paint industry. So never mind. Call it what ever you want. Thank you Larry Jackman
On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 09:24 PM, newrail@sover.net wrote:
Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:If water will not work for thiner then your paint is not acrylic. It isAnd that was the whole point of my earlier question, Larry. If the paint
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Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England
tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Clark Propst wrote:
Keeping the "debate" on topic, most of the boxcars loaded by industries on the M&SL used foreign boxcars - I estimate over 95% of them in the late 1940's. In the same breath, most of M&SL's boxcars carried loads originated on foreign roads. In conclusion in the late 1940's, the ownership of boxcars were contributions to the national fleet with the same effect as the RAILBOX cars were used in the 1970's. Tim Gilbert
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ADMIN...Paint
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
OK, guys...this group is about steam era frt cars...not paint. If you want
to talk about painting or weathering steam era frt cars that's fine. If you want to talk about the derivation of acrylic, oil or any other kind of paint, I suggest doing it off line or go to a paint forum. I have no problem or issue with asking about thinning difficulties with Polyscale paint....assuming the poster is interested in painting a steam era frt car. That question has been answered fairly well. In fact, I'll add that I thin Polyscale with 71% alcohol [ not 90% which I understand doesn't work as well ]. I'll further state that one of the advantages of using Ployscale in Florida is that, with the high humidity here, it is highly likely that you'll pop out some water no matter how many traps you use. With Polyscale, no problem. Just keep spraying. I'll also add that I don't spray with highly thinned Polyscale...tending to use washes instead which you can do with water. OK...someone want to talk about issues with painting frt cars? Go ahead. Want to talk about other aspects of paint? Don't..it's risky. Mike Brock STMFC Owner
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Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England
Joe Binish <joebinish@...>
Hey, This is great! I've always wanted an M&StL discussion on the
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STMFClist! As a fan of the Louie(sorry Clark), I must remind you of the Minneapolis-Moline plant in Hopkins, MN.
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From: <lodged@mindspring.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England How about Lenox Furnace and Fisher Governor in Marshalltown? Box carsfor sure.lot <BR> Service</a>.</tt>href="http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1512248/D=egroupweb/S=17of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.<BR><BR> </br>
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Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
(snip from Don Valentine)
If the paint really is "acrylic" and is really water based why does one need something other than water for a thinner? Since I started this let me respond. I use distilled water to thin Polly Scale when I am applying it with an airbrush as primer, base coat, or finish coat. However, for weathering purposes, I have found that using water to thin the paint for airbrushing results in far too much water striking the surface and I end up with puddles in the spray booth. Thus, using a solvent, such as isopropel alcohol or the Polly Scale Air Brush thinner, should result in the solvent evaporating much quicker than the water and leaving the type of weathering that I should be able to achieve with an airbrush, and like I could obtain with Floquil. I use a spray booth for all airbrush painting. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD
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Re: Fw: Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
Don Valentine
A good respirator in conjunction with the spray booth isn't a bad
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investment either, nor are they expensive. Don Valentine Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:
Whether you use oil base or water base you should have a spray booth what does one do when there lungs will not allow them to
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Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England
lodged@...
How about Lenox Furnace and Fisher Governor in Marshalltown? Box cars for
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sure. Don Lodge
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Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
The M&StL had a branch to Newton.
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Clark Propst PS there's more posts on this list about the M&StL than on the M&StL list! "G. Walls" wrote:
Hi Folks,
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Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
Don Valentine
Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:
If water will not work for thiner then your paint is not acrylic. It isAnd that was the whole point of my earlier question, Larry. If the paint really is "acrylic" and is really water based why does one need something other than water for a thinner? I don't use this stuff so I don't know but it just seems that using something other than water to thin a water based paint is creating problems instead of solving them. This is especially true for those who cannot work with solvent based paints for medical reasons such as one other member mentioned. Perhaps they are not truly acrylic. I'll ask my fine arts major daughter when she returns tomorrow and see if she can shed any light on this. Take care, Don Valentine
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Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England
Don't forget the hides shipped from Iowa to the tanneries. M&StL had
cars marked for there use. Ron Christensen --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "G. Walls" <glwalls@f...> wrote: Hi Folks,sheep. aware of
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Re: Fw: Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
ljack70117@...
Whether you use oil base or water base you should have a spray booth that will remove any vapors in the air and prevent you from inhaling any fumes. Water base will do as much damage to your lungs as an oil base will.
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Thank you Larry Jackman
On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 07:25 PM, John R Gibson wrote:
Quoting Don valentine;But water won't work for a thinner??? Guess >all the confusion over the"new" paints is one reason I've stuck to >Scalecoat and Accu-Paint.Now that's all well and good Don and I can understand where you are
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Re: M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England
G. Walls <glwalls@...>
Hi Folks,
Along with Maytag, Newton,Iowa. And just for information, The Amana Colonies,(Amana Industries) was/is a commune of which there are four small towns. Each one provides something for the whole. Griffen Foundry and Pipe, Blue Bell school buses, John Deere, Catapiler (Heavy Equipment) Motorhomes. Besides being the number one state in corn and hog production. George Walls Treynor, Iowa --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote: How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. Alot of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.equipment aware ofas Thethe mustGSC flats however.be some
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Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
ljack70117@...
If water will not work for thiner then your paint is not acrylic. It is some type of oil base which lacquers and enamels are part of. All these thinners come come from crude oil except turpentine which comes from the pine tree which is not used much as they have subturpes (also called paint thinner) that come from oil. So you have water base and oil base paints.
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Thank you Larry Jackman
On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:44 PM, newrail@sover.net wrote:
Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:I worked in a hardware store with a large paint department. I learned a
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Re: Building Resin Hopper Cars
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
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-----Original Message-----Can you paint the castings before assembly? If not, consider the thinest sheet of styrene (not much different than a sheet of paper) painted first then fit into place. Dave Nelson
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Fw: Re: Weathering with Polly Scale
John R Gibson <gospeltrain1@...>
Quoting Don valentine;
But water won't work for a thinner??? Guess >all the confusion over the "new" paints is one reason I've stuck to >Scalecoat and Accu-Paint.Now that's all well and good Don and I can understand where you are coming from but what does one do when there lungs will not allow them to use Scalecoat and Accu-Paint due to the vapors. I for one have to stay with water base paints whether or not I like it but I am open to any good subjection's that you or anyone mite have OK. John "Hoot" Gibson gospeltrain1@juno.com McMinnville, Oregon John "Hoot" Gibson gospeltrain1@juno.com McMinnville, Oregon
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Building Resin Hopper Cars
culturalinfidel9 <djmiller@...>
Hello,
I'm currently working on four Funaro and Camerlengo Southern Sealy wood hopper cars. I've found that there is a very poor fit between the slope sheets and sides and the slope sheets around the center beam that runs down the center of the car. These are not just thin spaces that could be filled easily with shims of styrene- in several cases there are noticeable gaps of as much as 1/16". Even if I did fill the gaps with styrene, the cars are wood, and it might look odd to have smooth styrene filling spaces between wood components. I assume that these gaps exist because of the nature of the car- it would probably be very difficult to cast slope sheets that not only fit around the center beam tightly but also mate well to the car sides (the sides are rectangular with no triangular cut-outs at the end like many steel cars). What is the advice of someone who either has built one of these kits before or who has experiece building resin hopper cars? Also, what's a good way simulate wood inside these cars? I was hoping to be able to run these cars empty, but with the super-smooth inside faces of the castings and the poor fit of the slope sheets, I've kinda hit a roadblock. Suggestions for this novice kitbuilder would be much appreciated. Thanks, Daniel Miller
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Re: 53' 6" GSC Commonwealth Flat Car
Jim Kubanick <kubanick@...>
To add to the discussion on the Walthers version of the GSC flatcar, don't
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forget that American Model Builders (AMB) offers a lasercut wood deck kit for this car. With some weathering, the wood deck adds a lot to the appearance of the Walthers car. Jim Kubanick.
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From: "pieter_roos" <pieter.roos@worldnet.att.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: 53' 6" GSC Commonwealth Flat Car A number of years ago when the cars first came out I bought a Walters
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Re: 53' 6" GSC Commonwealth Flat Car
pieter_roos <pieter.roos@...>
A number of years ago when the cars first came out I bought a Walters
GSC car in PRR paint. I recalled a had a photograph of a PRR flat I had taken in the 1960's as pre-teen in Connecticut, more for the U.S. Army front end laoder it was carrying than the car itself. Wondering if it might have the same type of car, I dug out the slide and compared. Would you believe, not only was the car I photographed a GSC car, Walters had matched THE EXACT NUMBER of the car I had photographed! The Walters car is well done, it could use some work on the steps an deck. I didn't take a scale rule to it, but recall the reviwes at the time indicating it was dimensionally accurate. Pieter --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote: has more of a rounded "casting" look which is appropriate for the GSC, compared to Tichy's. When they were new I took a look at both and thought the two products had been mixed up... Walthers seemed to get it right! In the not-too-distant future I plan to do a Walthers as an AtlanticCoast Line car, with Dennis Blake's help. Scott Pitzer
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Re: 53' 6" GSC Commonwealth Flat Car
Jeff English
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tim gilbert <tgilbert@s...> wrote:
Regarding my earlier estimate about the odds of a M&SL boxcar inthat a M&SL boxcar was in Northern New England was about one to every 400-500 boxcar on Northern New England lines.In the 1961 Interchange Reports between the Rutland and the B&M, there were 9,222 total cars interchanged in both directions over the 8-1/2 month period. Of those 9,222 cars, 7,307 were XM-class box cars; and of those 7,307 XMs, ten were M&StL. That would be one in 730, which falls reasonably close to Tim's guesstimate. No M&StL flat cars were interchanged, although it wouldn't have surprised me to see one, what with all the tractors coming through loaded on flat cars of other granger roads ( especially MILW ). Jeff English Troy, New York
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