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C&O 3 bay USRA hooper photos

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I have begun working on Westerfield kits of the NYC and C&O 3 bay USRA
hoppers and realize I have good photos of the NYC cars but none of the C&O
cars. I will be checking the C&O's Historical web site for photos but
wondered if anyone on the list has knowledge of sources. These are
70000-78982 and 173000-176999.

Bill Welch


Re: Three-Dimensional Printers

Jeff Carson
 

Steve,

I have had very limited experience with these in my work, but yes, I
can easily see these being the way that steam era freight cars models
are produced in the near future. Obviously, you need good CAD
drawings, but the advantages are huge. I would be happy to discuss
it more, but it's way off topic, so email me if you want.

Jeff Carson


Re: Digest Number 1248

ray mueller
 

In a message dated 5/28/03 12:49:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

This thread is starting to resemble Ambrose Bierce's definition of a
syllogism, containing a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion:

Major Premise: Sixty men can do sixty times the amount of work of one man.

Minor Premise: One man can dig a post hole in a minute.

Conclusion: Therefore, sixty men can dig a post hole in one second.

So we get 9 ladies pregnant and get our baby in 1 month ? Ray Mueller


B&M Wood Hoppers

JGG KahnSr <jacekahn@...>
 

I suspect they got worn out during WWI, when the coastal coal traffic was limited by submarines lying off-shore (which resulted in long tankcar blocks for the same reason in WWII), and coal was in even greater demand, owing to war production and coaling the fleet, which surely had squadrons based out of Boston, Portsmouth and Portland. I don't have hard evidence for the conjecture, but it seems logical to me.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

Has anyone ever seen a photo of such a car on the B&M? I suspect
these
things disappeared extremely early...like before the end of the
Hannauer
administration in the late 1920's.
Don,

I have never seen a photo of a #5900 and, yes, you are correct that they
were retired before 1930 - 98 cars listed in the 11/25 ORER, but none in
the 2/30 ORER. Pretty short life for cars built in 1905.
Tim Gilbert
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Re: SFRD reefers

tcschc <tculotta@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Clark Propst <cepropst@n...> wrote:
Clark:

You need to buy the book (or the reprint) from the Santa Fe Hist. & Modeling org.!

Regards,
Ted Culotta


SFRD reefers

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Let me rephrase Gene's question on ATSF reefers. Are there accurate
models available for any of the following SFRD reefers?
Clark Propst
SFRD 4350
SFRD 5005
SFRD 8819
SFRD 9817
SFRD 10536
SFRD 10613
SFRD 10613
SFRD 14479
SFRD 14953
SFRD 14953
SFRD 15294
SFRD 23989
SFRD 24779
SFRD 25085
SFRD 25633
SFRD 25633
SFRD 25685
SFRD 31307
SFRD 32425
SFRD 32493
SFRD 35277
SFRD 36026
SFRD 36272

SFRD 14039
SFRD 4263
SFRD 6975


Strawberry Traffic

JGG KahnSr <jacekahn@...>
 

Dear George
A year or so ago, I mentioned the original Missouri and North Arkansas used several NWX-assigned refrigerator cars for strawberry traffic (there is a photo in the North Arkansas book); Walthers offered decal sets for them, which seem fairly accurate, as Walthers goes. Some other list members also had information to add when I raised the matter.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

Does anyone have any information on the special trains hauling
strawberries. Which railroads were involved. Loading points and
routings, What types of cars and owners? I need information both on
the western shipments and the southern shipments.
George
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Re: ADMIN: A few thoughts before anyone...

prr6380
 

The version I heard was, "If it takes 4 days for a boat to sail
across the ocean, then 4 boats could do it in 1 day." Since records
are kept for cross ocean sailings, this could be proved to have never
happened.

Walt Stafa

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@a...> wrote:

Ron, are you saying it NEVER happened? Can you PROVE they didn't
dig that hole in one second?

I didn't think so.

P.S. With infallible logic like mine, I'm sure to get a job in
the Bush administration.


Conclusion: Therefore, sixty men can dig a post hole in one
second.

Adding statistics to this kind of muddled thinking gives a
mathematical
certainty to the absurd, making us twice-blessed.

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@a...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Some other Barrett Co. tank cars

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

On 5/29/03 2:34 PM, "Scott Pitzer" <scottp459@earthlink.net> wrote:

From what I understand they're "unmodelable" right now, but there was a
"Unique Freight Cars" presentation at Monrovia (sorry I don't remember who
gave it) which included Barrett Co./ Barrett Division of Allied Chemicals, and
their creation of hoppers from tank cars. After WWII there was a surplus of
tank cars and a severe shortage of hoppers. Barrett put in slope sheets and
discharge hoppers so they'd a way to haul roofing granules.
They were an unusual design of tank car, so it's a two-part project for an
brass importer or resin kit maker (the tank cars, and the conversions.)
Scott Pitzer
Georgetown Railroad (GRR) in Texas also had some tank cars modified to haul
gravel. I regularly saw them in Houston in the mid Œ60s.
--
Brian Paul Ehni
HMFIC
Bryan, Palestine & Eastern Railroad
"Serving All East Texas"


Re: Accurail reefers

Don Valentine
 

Quoting Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com>:

At 02:17 PM 5/29/2003, you wrote:
It would be nice.... but....
The only accurate ATSF transition reefers available in plastic are the
Intermountain kits.

Don't forget C&BT Shops, which produced several body styles
including plug door cars from the 1950's.

Yes, but they are such a major rework that one questions whether they are
worth the effort. Then, too, with two or three in stock that don't/won't sell
maybe the best solution is to build all of the suckers and sell 'em that way!

Take care, Don Valentine


Re: Barret Company ACF 10K Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Shawn Beckert writes:

Browsing the Microscale web page this morning, I came
across a decal set for "The Barret Company" 10,000 gal.
tank cars built by ACF:

http://www.microscale.com/decals/mc4213.jpg

Since I don't find these listed in RPC's roster of ACF
Type-27's, I'm assuming the prototype was a Type-21 or
earlier car. The lettering in the decal set appears to
be green, so the car must be gray, silver or white.
The car numbers in the set are correct for Barrett AC&F Type 4 high
runnning board tank cars as imported in brass some years ago by W&R. I
have a photo of BMX 2140. The lettering in the set is pre-WW-II; the
postwar Barrett logo was different, with script Barrett in a circle and
slightly modified "Tarvia" next to it. I'll bet that the decal set is in
aluminum, as the cars in question were black with aluminum stenciling.
This set could probably be used, with some slight modifications, to letter
other prewar Barrett tank cars, but I'm not aware that any of them can be
modeled with plastic kits that are currently available. Barrett owned a
variety of different tank car types by several manufacturers - many were
insulated cars for the shipment of tar and road oil, and there were also
10.5 gal. ICC-105s for the shipment of anhydrous ammonia - but AFAIK no
conventional AC&F Type 21s or 27s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Some other Barrett Co. tank cars

Scott Pitzer
 

From what I understand they're "unmodelable" right now, but there was a "Unique Freight Cars" presentation at Monrovia (sorry I don't remember who gave it) which included Barrett Co./ Barrett Division of Allied Chemicals, and their creation of hoppers from tank cars. After WWII there was a surplus of tank cars and a severe shortage of hoppers. Barrett put in slope sheets and discharge hoppers so they'd a way to haul roofing granules.
They were an unusual design of tank car, so it's a two-part project for an brass importer or resin kit maker (the tank cars, and the conversions.)
Scott Pitzer


Re: C&BT ATSF Reefers (was: Accurail Reefers)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Don't forget C&BT Shops, which produced several body styles
including plug door cars from the 1950's.


After having to fix a couple of early run kits, I'd like to forget
about them... ;-)


Ben Hom


Re: Barret Company ACF 10K Tank Cars

Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...>
 

Fellow Listers,

Browsing the Microscale web page this morning, I came
across a decal set for "The Barret Company" 10,000 gal.
tank cars built by ACF:

http://www.microscale.com/decals/mc4213.jpg

Since I don't find these listed in RPC's roster of ACF
Type-27's,
Or they bought/leased second hand cars since the RPC roster is only the
purchases.

Happy rails
Bruce

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Re: NKP 8500-8509 express boxcar

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

A friend of Mark Plank asked regarding subject car:
"I bought an Athern version of this car. Gary suggested you might
know a bit more about it. Who built it, where did it run etc."

As Ted recommeded, see

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%
20products/sunshine/sunalumboxmain.html

for more information on the prototype, and Sunshine 63.5, the
matching kit.


"A strange car, with a strait [sic] sill, but notice the re-
enforcement gussets? Appears to be a knock off of the 1937 ARR
design from first look, but I cannot identify the (not 1937) ends,
notice a strange hump 2/3 of the way up."

It's a knock off of the 1937 AAR design in the same way that postwar
boxcars were "knock-offs". One of the dead giveaways that this car
is an aluminum express car is the 14-panel side (and the shiny
natural finish <G>). The ends are 3/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends.


"Notice the FLUSH ends of the roofwalks to the ends of the car, no
overhang. 1945 the FRA banned wood roofwalks for new freightcars, so
the one on the car *should* be an Apex steel design."

Not so fast, my friend:
(1) This builders photo has been retouched - when the background got
airbrushed out, the ends of the running boards went with it.

(2) Where did your friend get the idea that wood roofwalks were
banned in 1945? They were no longer used in new construction, but
continued to be found on in-service cars until the end of roofwalks.
He did guess right on the Apex running board, though.


Ben Hom


Barret Company ACF 10K Tank Cars

Shawn Beckert
 

Fellow Listers,

Browsing the Microscale web page this morning, I came
across a decal set for "The Barret Company" 10,000 gal.
tank cars built by ACF:

http://www.microscale.com/decals/mc4213.jpg

Since I don't find these listed in RPC's roster of ACF
Type-27's, I'm assuming the prototype was a Type-21 or
earlier car. The lettering in the decal set appears to
be green, so the car must be gray, silver or white.

I'd like to know if the P2K Type-21 kit would be a good
candidate to use these decals on. Anyone seen photos?

And no, I don't have the ACF book with me to check...

Shawn Beckert


Re: Strawberries

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

George,

The Sacramento Northern interurban line used to operate what was known as the "Berry Car", No. 125, between its northern reaches (probably Chico) and Sacramento. This was a 56-foot combine with a very short passenger section, almost a true express motor. She was built in 1909 at the Chico shops (by predecessor Northern Electric Railway), but was a close copy of Niles cars the line already owned. The car obviously got its name from carrying large amounts of fresh fruit, especially strawberries. Suydam imported an HO brass model of this car in the 1960s.

For once I have egg on my face, as there isn't a picture of this car on my web site (though I have several in my collection). I will have to remedy this someday. There is a photo of one of this class under construction at: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/home.html , and a shot of sister 129 in her later years with five pairs of arched windows at: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/history.html . Car 125 looked the same, except she had only three sets of windows versus five on 129.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


G. Walls wrote:

Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any information on the special trains hauling
strawberries. Which railroads were involved. Loading points and
routings, What types of cars and owners? I need information both on
the western shipments and the southern shipments.
Thanks,
George


Re: Accurail reefers

tcschc <tculotta@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@a...> wrote:
Gene, I know people seem to be web-averse but a simple search
of the STMFC or FCL archives usually yields a lot of good info
on models that we have discussed to death already.

The Accurail reefer is an exact replica of a BREX prototype --
Dennis Storzek crawled all over the prototype car to get the
measurements. As such, it is good for Fruit Growers as well,
since FGE and the Burlington shared this body design.

I think this is one of the Accurail cars kitbashed by Bill Welch.
(Note it has a different underframe.)

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/welch/fgex32490main.html
More at:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/calendar/2002/nap02/nap02modelsmain.html

Scroll to the BREX, C&S FGEX, FW&D, WFEX

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: NKP 8500-8509 express boxcar

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Mark, this is an aluminum, 14 panel box car. These were built
in small numbers for Rock Island, Alton, M&StL, C&O and NKP.

They are available from Sunshine as kits 63.1 to 63.5 respectively.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NKP 8500-8509 express boxcar

tcschc <tculotta@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@m...> wrote:

A strange car, with a strait sill, but notice the re-enforcement gussets?
Appears to be a knock off of the 1937 ARR design from first look, but I
cannot identify the (not 1937) ends, notice a strange hump 2/3 of the way
up. 6' Youngstown door, 10'6" height, pretty standard. Notice the FLUSH
ends of the roofwalks to the ends of the car, no overhang. 1945 the FRA
banned wood roofwalks for new freightcars, so the one on the car *should*
be
an Apex steel design.

See: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/
sunalumboxmain.html

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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