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ADMIN...A reminder.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Paul Lyons writes:

"He must have gone to the Martin Lofton school of sales-Take care of the show
and convention business first and screw the mail order customers, they will
keep, I have there money!"
Easy, guys. Martin isn't a member of the group and I'm not certain who Jon Miller refers to but while it is perfectly OK to evaluate a manufactured product on the STMFC, personal attacks on anyone...members or not...is not allowed. I don't want to understate this. Just a reminder. Back to frt cars.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Hulson underframe [was Modified Marklin UP H-70-1 photo in file archive]

Richard Hendrickson
 

Ted Culotta writes:

Does the 'Hulson' stenciled on the end mean it had a Hulson cushioned
underframe? I had heard of them, but didn't know of any prototypes. Hulson
bought the rights from Duryea, correct?
Right. By the early '50s Hulson was offering a number of different
versions of cushion draft gear, but at least some of them were designs that
had been patented by Duryea.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Märklin UP A-50-16 (lettered A-50-19)

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Gene Green writes:

"Another list member compared Märklin to Lionel, as I recall. That's
my view, too. I have no further interest in any Märklin offerings.
Anybody wanna buy two Trix Big Boys?"

I'm gonna violate my own rule again....this reply has little to do with frt cars but...what the hell. After examining the Trix Big Boy I can truthfully say that it only has three faults that standout to me. The drivers are fairly undersize...about 64" compared to the prototype's 68", the forward steam pipes are too small in diameter and I'm pretty sure that they pivot the rear engine...I'm afraid this will probably be a fact of life with all plastic artics...and don't connect the rear cylinders with the input steam pipes. The models I've seen have excellent mechs, operating quite smoothly at low speeds.

Now...that's the end of that. Back to frt cars..

Mike Brock


Gene Green



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Re: Stewart hoppers (was some other model suggestions)

Richard Hendrickson
 

Richard Hendrickson lobs one...

All news to me. However, from a west coast perspective, y'seen one hopper,
y'seen 'em all, and who cares, anyway. (Making tracks for the bomb
shelter.)
Now, Richard, I believe you are somewhat disingenuous here. After
all, the Ga-18, Ga-21, Ga-24, Ga-43, Ga-50, Ga-54, Ga-81, Ga-83,
Ga-100... just to mention a few... were all classes of Santa Fe
hopper cars built before 1960. Methinks you have more than just
a passing interest in -certain- hopper cars. (The ACF-Hart side
dump cars for example?)
Now, Tim, the early Santa Fe cross hoppers were built in VERY small numbers
and were seldom seen on the Coast Lines, so my interest in them is
decidedly marginal. As for the Rodger-Hart selective ballast cars, they
were a whole other story. They were designed as ballast cars and the Santa
Fe used them almost exclusively in that service. So they weren't hoppers
in the usual sense at all - that is, AFAIK they never carried (yawn) coal.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Richard Hendrickson Honored

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Roger Miener writes:
"Still, when you are out to dinner with Richard and Sandra at the Monet
Restaurant and Garden in Ashland, Oregon, do let Richard choose the
wine. You will be glad you did. Just like he knows freightcars, the
man knows wine."


Ahhh yes. The man, apparently, also does a pretty fair job of conducting a wine tasting clinic...which he did during the San Jose NMRA National Convention in 2000...with, I think, the help of Sandra. I have referenced this before and while this has nothing whatever to do with frt cars [I'm giving myself an executive pardon ], for new members I will note that I, myself, did not attend his clinic. My wife Georgia, however, did. Upon completing my own exciting presentation on photographic backdrops, I encountered Georgia in the hallway and I noted a definite grin and a bit of a glow which seemed to be coming from her general direction. I said something about my clinic and she expressed great amusement about it. I soon noticed that she found everything anyone said to me...or anyone else nearby... as quite funny as well. Walking by a newly convened meeting of the Santa Fe Historical Society, I glanced in and noted the usual serious, focussed and determined facial expressions on the member's faces...all except for one. Sitting back in the back was Richard...adorned with the same kind of grin as Georgia. I decided right then and there to not miss the next wine tasting clinic Richard might conduct.

Mike Brock


Re: Model Hunting

Larry and Cathy <bowen@...>
 

BEN,
You did me an excellent review on the needed items to build my FEC
hoppers. I would like to say "Thank You Very Much" and have a safe and
happy holiday.
Larry Bowen


Re: Hulson underframe [was Modified Marklin UP H-70-1 photo in file archive]

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ted Culotta asks:

"Does the 'Hulson' stenciled on the end mean it had a Hulson cushioned
underframe?"

The only reference to Hulson I see in the UP diagram is with regard to draft gear...among several others.

Mike Brock


Re: Märklin UP A-50-16 (lettered A-50-19)

Gene Green <willibecher@...>
 

I am well acquainted with a member of Märklin's sales staff. He has
convinced me that Märklin is NOT interested in getting it right.

In the German model railroad market, I have learned after living in
German for many years, the manufacturers tell the customers what is
right and wrong. German customers don't question the accuracy of
models. They accept them as correct.

The same could probably be said for the majority of American model
railroaders. We few who are so interested in accuracy don't have the
economic clout to be heard by the likes of Märklin and other larger
manufacturers.

Another list member compared Märklin to Lionel, as I recall. That's
my view, too. I have no further interest in any Märklin offerings.
Anybody wanna buy two Trix Big Boys?

Gene Green


Re: Offer of NP 83750-83999 Stock Cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

He's making some now for the NP Convention (July 16th). Will work on
catching up with his orders after that.<
Sounds good.


Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Richard Hendrickson Honored

Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
 

Needless to say, I agree with most of what Mike Brock has said ...

I will second what Dave says. For more yrs than I want to count
I've been aware of Richard's unremitting efforts to drag model
railroading into the realm of actually modeling real railroad
items...such as military and other modelers have done for years.

But ... when it comes to the price of wine ...

that the cost of coffee...or wine as it may be...has gone up another
buck or so.

Well, and as anyone who has seen how many bottles of wine Richard has
in his cellar can attest, it will be a bloody long while before
Richard realizes what has happened to the price of a good bottle of
wine. Richard thinks ahead - especially when it comes to wine - and
his cellar is full.

Truth to tell, the price of a good bottle of wine has been trending
down lately. A glut of grapes, they say.

Still, when you are out to dinner with Richard and Sandra at the Monet
Restaurant and Garden in Ashland, Oregon, do let Richard choose the
wine. You will be glad you did. Just like he knows freightcars, the
man knows wine.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA


Re: Offer of NP 83750-83999 Stock Cars

tchenoweth@...
 

Martin had no new ATSF cars for the Ft Worth convention. My
understanding was he was so busy filling back orders that he wasn't able to get the new
ones ready. Maybe he has turned a new leaf and decided not to screw the mail
order customers for awhile. Just my opinion. Tom Chenoweth, Topeka KS


Re: Offer of NP 83750-83999 Stock Cars

Jim or Lisa Hayes <jim-and-lisa@...>
 

I just talked to Aaron via email. I've been waiting for mine since
mid-March. He's been busy with school. He just got a new batch of resin. He
hopes to get to them soon. He's making some now for the NP Convention (July
16th). Will work on catching up with his orders after that.

--
Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: NMRA Toronto

Don Valentine
 

Quoting Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>:

I've been going crazy trying to find what to do about exporting product
for
the show and bringing the remains back. Does anyone know what U.S.
customs
form or procedure is necessary? The customs web site is no help at all.
As
this may be of value to others on the list, perhaps a general response
is
appropriate. If not, please contact me off list. I have all the info
for
Canadian customs. - Al Westerfield

Al, There used to be a standard U.S. Customs form on which Americans
could list anything that they were taking into Canada which thye might
wish to bring back. I suggest you take a good printed inventory with you,
stop as U.S. Customs at the point you will be crossing the border and they
they can probably assist you in 15 to 20 minutes or less, though I'm sure
the form has changed. Alternately, you can call U.S. Customs in St. Albans,
VT at 802-524-6527, which is District HQ, or 802-868-6527, which is the
Inspection Station at Highgate Springs-Swanton (the border crossing).

Hope this will do it, Don Valentine


Re: Hulson underframe [was Modified Marklin UP H-70-1 photo in file archive]

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brock [mailto:brockm@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Modified Marklin UP H-70-1 photo in file archive


OK...H-70-1 Modified Marklin photo in the archives section of STMFC:

[Ted Culotta]
Does the 'Hulson' stenciled on the end mean it had a Hulson cushioned
underframe? I had heard of them, but didn't know of any prototypes. Hulson
bought the rights from Duryea, correct?

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: "Model Hunting"

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Ben,
I could give a rat's rear about the FEC, but your reply is superb! You listed
everything necessary to built a quality model. Thank you very much. Can you do
the same for Peabody hoppers?
Clark Propst
Mason City, Iowa

benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Larry Bowen asked:
"About 2 wks. ago I asked about FEC twin hoppers of the steam era. I
was directed to a photo on pg 72 in Volume 8 of the RP CYC. Well,
being new to this proto modeling; I ordered the book. Now still
being new to this; can anyone direct me to the best HO model to
sstart with, any articles for proto detailing and painting, and any
decals for this model."

Model:
Athearn No. 5400 Offset Twin, Peaked Ends

Quick upgrades:
Accurail No. 100 "Bettendorf" Trucks
Kadee No. 2022/2032/2042 or DA No. 6402 Miner Hand Brake
DA No. 6412 Sill Steps
Slope Sheet Braces (Plastruct angle)

Additional upgrades:
Replace molded-on grabs with wire grabs (Westerfield No. 1197)
Wine door locks (Westerfield No. 1171)
Upgrade brake detail (Tichy No. 3013)

Paint:
Your choice of black

Decals:
Champ or Walthers FEC road name set (out of production but can be
found with some digging)
Champ HD-4 Twin Hopper Data
Champ HD-30W Car Builder's Insignia (ACF builder's stencil)

Detailing articles:
None specifically for FEC hoppers. See "Low Cost Improvements for
Athearn Hopper Cars" by Alan Mende, Model Railroader October
1993, "NYC Hoppers - Easy Fleet Upgrades" by Mont Switzer, Mainline
Modeler December 1992, and "Modeling AAR Standard 50-ton Hoppers" by
Ed Hawkins, Railmodel Journal, March 1998.

Ben Hom


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Additional road for Marklin H-70-1

Matt Herson <trains@...>
 

List,

The NP 71000-71499 hoppers are very close if not exact copies of the UP H-70-1 cars. For NP fans this may or may not be good news depending on one's tolerance for purchasing 3 cars and reworking and repainting them.

Matt Herson


CB&Q SM-16/18/18A stock cars, was Re: Will the REAL stock cars please stand up?

almabranch <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@n...> wrote:

For those modelers unfamilar with stock traffic on the Burlington,
there
is an excellent issue of the Burlington Bulletin (#25) devoted
entirely
to the topic of CB&Q stock cars, facilities and traffic.
Unfortunately,
it is currenly out of print, but does show up on eBay or lurking in
an
occasional hobby store.
I can attest that this is a great publication.

Jared Harper


Re: New 36' Cudahy Reefer

Dana and Larry Kline <klinelarrydanajon@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote << Hmmmm... Did they buy out the Model Die Casting
tooling? Has anybody compared these to the retooled MDC cars? I'm just
curious.>>

The Atlas HO 36ft wood reefer is apparently an HO version of the 36ft wood
reefer that Atlas released in O scale earlier this year. Note that the
photo on the Atlas web site says _O scale model shown_. Atlas has been
doing the same car in multiple scales recently. Examples that I'm aware of
include the 55 ton fishbelly hoppers (N and O), 40 ft wood reefers (N and O)
and 11000 gal ACF pressure tank cars (N, HO and O).

For those who want 1940s and 1950s paint schemes, Atlas sells undecorated HO
cars and, as members of this list know, appropriate HO decals are available
from numerous suppliers. I bought Atlas O scale undecorated 40 ft wood
reefers when they became available and painted them for URTX, NWX and MDT.
I replaced the trucks, lowered the underframe and replaced the K brakes with
AB brakes. I put an outside metal roof on the MDT car. I will have posted
photos of the URTX and MDT models. For 40s/50s modelers, Atlas did offer
NWX cars in both gray and yellow/green.

I have 3 undecorated Atlas O scale 36 ft wood reefers waiting to be painted
and lettered for Cudahy (2) and Armour (1). The Atlas O scale 36 ft wood
reefer car body measures 36 ft 8 in long x 8 ft 10.5 in wide. The height to
the top of the running boards is 12 ft 9 in. The door hinges are large, but
they are similar to the hinges on Cudahy reefers in photos I have. I plan
to take the hinges from my Armour cars and add them to the two Cudahy cars
so they have 3 hinges per door. I will replace the hinges on the Armour car
with smaller hinges to match photos. For 40s/50s modelers, Atlas offered a
Swift car, but I already have one All Nation Swift kit built and 2 more in
my unbuilt kit supply.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Modified Marklin UP H-70-1 photo in file archive

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

OK...H-70-1 Modified Marklin photo in the archives section of STMFC:

H-70-1.

Mike Brock


Re: Offer of NP 83750-83999 Stock Cars

Paul Lyons
 

He must have gone to the Martin Lofton school of sales-Take care of the show
and convention business first and screw the mail order customers, they will
keep, I have there money!
Paul Lyons
Oceanside, CA

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