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Re: Sealy Hoppers & USRA Gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

H81644@... asked:
...which of the western railroads received the USRA 40' Drop Bottom Gons?

Final allocations of USRA Specification 1002-B, 50-ton Drop-Bottom Gondola,
roads west of the Mississippi:
C&NW 115501-116499 (odd), 1000 cars
CB&Q 188000-188999, 1000 cars
CSPM&O (CMO) 41202-41599 (odd), 200 cars
EP&SW 11251-11500 (later SP 45904-46153), 250 cars
IC 126000-128649, 2650 cars
KCS 28300-28499, 200 cars
M&StL 27001-27499 (odd), 250 cars
MP 70501-73500, 3000 cars
SL-SF 85000-85999, 1000 cars

Data from Lane, "USRA Freight Cars: An Experiment in Standardization,"
Railroad History No. 128, Spring 1973. You're on your own for renumberings
and rebuilds.
For much data and photos regarding survivors, retirements, rebuilds, etc.
see my article in the Feb. 2000 RMJ.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Hand brakes (was AB brake details)

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty McGuirk" <mac@i...> wrote:
Ted,

You provide me with the drawings and good clear photos of a Universal
hand brake and I'll gladly add it to the detail sprue for the FGE
refrigerator car -- since that's the only piece of the puzzle currently
holding that project up. and running the brakewheel separately in a
mini-mold just won't be a problem.
I have posted a photo of the B-end of a FGEX wood reefer (#35941) in
the album "FGEX" in the Photos Section. What type of hand brake is
this one?

Bob Witt


Re: Windy City

Charlie Vlk
 

My tastes run from El Famous to Cafe le Cave.... or from White Castle
sliders to Chin's......
Funny you should mention the Windy City...... Craig Holmberg and I
instigated a most Un-Prototypical lettering scheme on a Production tank car
that was included in thousands of train sets....to imortalize two of
Chicago's finest gas producers. One of them singly (I was going to say
single handed, but that body part wasn't involved) caused a mass exodus from
an operating session in a fair-sized basement. The other delights in
setting off a joke remote control sound machine hidden under his layout....
but sometimes makes the sound even when its batteries are dead.....
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] early arrival in Naperville



You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!

And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!


At 11:39 AM 9/25/2003, you wrote:
Why not meet at Des Plaines Hobbies and go to dinner from there? There
are
many great restaurants in the area and it would be on the way as DPH is
less
than 10 minutes north of O'Hare....
Charlie Vlk

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Re: early arrival in Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

Did I mention there's a Krispy Kreme on the way back to
Naperville? Mix that with a burrito and you have a potential
Weapon of Mass Destruction. Hoo-wah!


Tony Thompson quipped:

You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!
And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!
Thanks for the warning, Tim, when they make up the carfuls
for the hobby shop...<g>

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AAR hopper cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ok, he's brought in one through girder bridge, and one steel column.
Kinda 'spensive but they look nice. But bridges ain't freight cars.



Tim O'Connor asked regarding Cryer Gray Foundry:

All wonderful, ambitious ideas... but has he brought out anything yet?

Gee, Tim, if you care to ask, have a look about his website. He has imported a couple brass bridges so far. It seems to be a big interest of his.

Earl Tuson

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: early arrival in Naperville

thompson@...
 

You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!
And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!
Thanks for the warning, Tim, when they make up the carfuls for the hobby
shop...<g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: AAR hopper cars (was Sunshine hopper minikit)

Earl Tuson
 

Tim O'Connor asked regarding Cryer Gray Foundry:

All wonderful, ambitious ideas... but has he brought out anything yet?

Gee, Tim, if you care to ask, have a look about his website. He has imported a couple brass bridges so far. It seems to be a big interest of his.

Earl Tuson


Re: RI express box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Technically I guess they are 1937 AAR standard, but they were
built to the 1940 10'6" standard height. Rock Island never had
any of the 10'0" cars. Just thought I'd mention that before
Shawn rushes out and buys the wrong kit...


RI 20000-20049, 50 1937 AAR 40 ft boxcars built in 1941 equipped for
Express service, painted Pullman green with gold lettering, with
the "Route of the Rockets" slogan and red-background herald.

Ben Hom

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: early arrival in Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!

And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!


At 11:39 AM 9/25/2003, you wrote:
Why not meet at Des Plaines Hobbies and go to dinner from there? There are
many great restaurants in the area and it would be on the way as DPH is less
than 10 minutes north of O'Hare....
Charlie Vlk

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Sealy Hoppers & USRA Gons

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

H81644@... asked:
...which of the western railroads received the USRA 40' Drop Bottom Gons?

Final allocations of USRA Specification 1002-B, 50-ton Drop-Bottom Gondola,
roads west of the Mississippi:
C&NW 115501-116499 (odd), 1000 cars
CB&Q 188000-188999, 1000 cars
CSPM&O (CMO) 41202-41599 (odd), 200 cars
EP&SW 11251-11500 (later SP 45904-46153), 250 cars
IC 126000-128649, 2650 cars
KCS 28300-28499, 200 cars
M&StL 27001-27499 (odd), 250 cars
MP 70501-73500, 3000 cars
SL-SF 85000-85999, 1000 cars

Data from Lane, "USRA Freight Cars: An Experiment in Standardization,"
Railroad History No. 128, Spring 1973. You're on your own for renumberings
and rebuilds.


Ben Hom


Re: Intermountain composite gon

thompson@...
 

Jim Scott said:
I have five of the Intermountain composite gondolas
made as the convention car in San Jose. I found out
with the original weight that comes with the car that
the car is too lite. I added the sugar beet load from
Chooch...
If you know of any evidence these USRA gons EVER carried sugar beets,
Jim, I'd like to know of it. To the best of my knowledge, prior to the 1948
arrival of the composite GS gons, Blackburn beet racks were used for this
crop; and before the Blackburn there was a more primitive flat-car rack
used.
That said, of course, the USRAs would fit nicely into the LOOK of a beet
train of a later era...<g>


ADMIN: Please clean up FILES and PHOTOS areas

jaley <jaley@...>
 

All,

The STMFC "FILES" area is just about full. Please take a moment
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It is understood that some of these files provide an excellent
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Thanks for your cooperation.

Also, please note that there is an area for "Files" and another for
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Tank Cars

h81644 <H81644@...>
 

Hi Folks,
Could someone give me a hand in identifing a 12000 gal tank car that
was used to carry oil to a oil fired smelter at Mayer, Ariz. in the
1920's. What type of tank car could have been used. This line was
part of an ATSF branchline in the Bradshaw Mountains in Arizona.

Thanks,
George


Sealy Hoppers & USRA Gons

h81644 <H81644@...>
 

Hi Folks,
Could someone give me the names of the railroads that used the Sealy
Hoppers and which of the western railroads recived the USRA 40' Drop
Bottom Gons?

Thanks


Re: Intermountain composite gon

Don Valentine
 

Quoting benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>:


The main reason why I suggested the Pennsy G24 rebuilds was that PRR
simply replaced the wood sides with metal, retaining the carbody
truss. The NYC rebuilds look like they were built new as steel gons.

Well, Ben, it's kind of what the old fellers mean when they say there is a
right way and a wrong way, or quick and dirty way, to do something! <VBG>
Ain't that right Andy Miller!

Take care, Don Valentine


Re: Intermountain composite gon

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ben Hom quoted from http://index.mrmag.com:
"Class G-24 USRA Gondola Rebuild," Mainline Modeler, February 2001
page 73.

The dash in "G-24" is Hundman's, not mine.


Ben Hom
NO DASHES in PRR car classes...


Re: Intermountain composite gon

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"Of course the other problem is the one Ben pointed out. By WWII
many of these cars had been rebuilt with steel sides (e.g. all of the
PRR cars)."

The main reason why I suggested the Pennsy G24 rebuilds was that PRR
simply replaced the wood sides with metal, retaining the carbody
truss. The NYC rebuilds look like they were built new as steel gons.


"I know that the PRR car I have is in the shops awaiting new
sides (IIRC Mont Switzer did an article on the PRR gons in MM a few
years ago)!"

"Class G-24 USRA Gondola Rebuild," Mainline Modeler, February 2001
page 73.


Ben Hom


Re: Intermountain composite gon

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 02:32 PM, CalifCoast wrote:

I added the sugar beet load from
Chooch and combined with the original weight and metal
wheel sets, it comes right up to the NMRA suggested
weight. I have also done the same with the Red
Caboose composite gons that I have. The Chooch load
and metal wheel sets make the weight of the car right
on.
I don't know...might look a bit odd to see sugar beets in a NYC gon, or on my layout rolling east from Enola <VBG>!!

Of course the other problem is the one Ben pointed out. By WWII many of these cars had been rebuilt with steel sides (e.g. all of the PRR cars). I know that the PRR car I have is in the shops awaiting new sides (IIRC Mont Switzer did an article on the PRR gons in MM a few years ago)!

Happy Rails
Bruce


Re: Intermountain composite gon

Jim Scott
 

I have five of the Intermountain composite gondolas
made as the convention car in San Jose. I found out
with the original weight that comes with the car that
the car is too lite. I added the sugar beet load from
Chooch and combined with the original weight and metal
wheel sets, it comes right up to the NMRA suggested
weight. I have also done the same with the Red
Caboose composite gons that I have. The Chooch load
and metal wheel sets make the weight of the car right
on.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA
--- benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Glenn Joppich wrote:
I was cleaning up in the shop and ran across an old
kit I never
finished. It is an Intermountain USRA composite drop
bottom gondola,
NYC 349691. I bought it because I liked the idea of
the real wood
sides and wanted to leave it as an open car.
Unfortunately there is
no weight block for it and it's light as a feather.
I wasn't able to
find any weights thin enough to work so it went on
the back burner.
I went on Intermountain web site and saw that Reboxx
makes weights
for this car but now, with my new prototype
blinders, I'm wondering
how this car stacks up.

NYC received 250 USRA composite gons from AC&F in
1918 in Lot 389-G,
NYC 349500-349749. Cars were renumbered to NYC
658500-658749 (drop
bottom) or NYC 623500-623749 (fixed bottom) All cars
were rebuilt to
all-steel gons in 1937 (Funaro Nos. 6600 and 6601,
originally
marketed by Central Hobby Supply in their "West
Shore Line" of kits.)

NYC information is from Terry Link's CASO website:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm

I haevn't seen this specific kit, but judging from
the car number,
I'm assuming it's in the as-delivered scheme. If it
is, it's good
for you if you model the early 1920s. If you model
post-1937, one
option would be to replace the wood side inserts
with styrene to
model a PRR Class G24 car rebuilt with steel sides.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=g24-b.gif&fr=cl

I haven't seen the Reboxx weights, but if it turns
out that they're
too obtrusive, you can always model the car with a
load to solve the
weight problem.


Ben Hom


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gluing rivets on

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I have been doing this for years using the following tools and techniques

I like to use the basic Athearn 40 foot boxcar body as the source. I order
these four at time and have used up at least eight. For awhile these were
molded in grey and I would run a Sharpie across them so it would be easier
to tell top from bottom. With the black plastic the shiny side is up while
the bottom is dull. The rivets or bolt heads on the placard boards and
around the sill steps are slighty larger than those on the body and get
reserved for special needs.

Optivisor--I am 57

a "Testors" disposable hobby knife--these are nice and light. I use new ones
for slicing decals when necessary because they make a thin cut. I save the
old ones to lift up the harvested rivets and place them where desired

Human saliva--mine Applied with tongue, this helps to pick up the rivets
and hold them on the above knife. Yeah if you are careless, you might cut
yourself. Solution, don't be careless.

Narrow X-Acto chisel blade--for harvesting the rivets

OO or OOO brush--for applying liquid glue

Testors liquid glue for styrene

Second finger of right hand--this is where I place the harvested rivets, 7
or 8 at a time and from there pick them up with the moistened knife.

The rest of my right hand--often holds what I am placing the rivets on and
the knife when I go for the brush to apply the glue

Even with the best styrene or resin kit, I often find a bracket or gusset or
placard board that is not quite right and these are always enhanced with
rivets which in many cases actually serve as bolt heads. I have used liquid
cement to attach rivets to a resin model and once they are painted they are
on to stay. The patterns I am working on for FGEX's plywood reefers received
hand placed rivets, as did the door patterns I made for Sunshine's Southern
wood double door auto/furniture car.

This work goes very fast once you have a technique and rhythm that suits
you. It takes longer to talk about than to do it.

I would imagine everyone on this list is man enough to do this kind of work.

Bill Welch

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