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Re: Intermountain composite gon

thompson@...
 

Getting the cars as a gift from the San Jose NMRA meet
from a friend of mine (all 5),they were the first I
built. If you remember, IM put them out special and
lettered them for SP. I know they aren't really SP
cars...
Yes, Richard Hendrickson and I put together the lettering info for
Intermountain to do those cars, so I definitely do remember. And sure, they
were absolutely SP cars. See photo in SP Frt. Cars Vol. 1. That photo even
demonstrates that Richard and I got the lettering right.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: early arrival in Naperville

thompson@...
 

Did I mention there's a Krispy Kreme on the way back to
Naperville? ...
Ah, now we're talkin' !! Coupla Krispy Kremes and summa that watery
Midwestern coffee and we're all set...<g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Hand brakes (was AB brake details)

Tim O'Connor
 

Universal


I have posted a photo of the B-end of a FGEX wood reefer (#35941) in
the album "FGEX" in the Photos Section. What type of hand brake is
this one?

Bob Witt

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: early arrival in Naperville

Charlie Vlk
 

The suggestion was based on the time of arrival at O'Hare of a group of
early attendees..... and making the quick jaunt up to DesPlaines, blowing
some time at the shop, then going to dinner locally is a lot better than
driving south to Naperville in rush hour!!! :-)
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: early arrival in Naperville


In principle I like the idea of Des Plaines but not a rush hour. I
did that last year. not again

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@c...> wrote:
Why not meet at Des Plaines Hobbies and go to dinner from there?
There are
many great restaurants in the area and it would be on the way as
DPH is less
than 10 minutes north of O'Hare....
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@o...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] early arrival in Naperville


I will be coming into Naperville on Wednesday, Oct 22. If there
are any
other early arrivals that would like to talk about freight cars
over
dinner,
I would enjoy that. I will have a car.
Bill, Tony and I will be arriving at O'Hare at 4:50 and will also
have a
car. Several others are also coming early. We could all gather
at the
hotel in Naperville and go from there.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520




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Re: AAR hopper cars

Earl Tuson
 

Tim O'Connor, continuing to be skeptical says,

Ok, he's brought in one through girder bridge, and one steel column.
Kinda 'spensive but they look nice. But bridges ain't freight cars.
Three bridges actually. But you are right, freight cars they aren't. Originally, the proposal was to simply have an S scale build of the Rich Yoder cars (Rich was cooperating.) However, as we found some errors on the O scale model (NASG 2002,) he decided he wanted to get all of them corrected. Since then, he has been fed resources, data, and such, and this thread itself has even opened an additional door for him.

Since my only other (purchased) option is to <m>uck with the American Models sort-of-AAR-non-standard offset, I will support his project any way I can. (Okay, okay, SHS has a decent plastic 30'6 NYC offset twin coming, but the applicability is pretty limited.)

Earl Tuson


Re: ADMIN Files

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

The Decker file is gone. If you want to learn more about Deckers attend the
NMRA Seattle National or the PCR convention in Napa for my clinic or contact
me off list.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
www.iowatelecom.net/~dharding/


Re: Intermountain composite gon

Jim Scott
 

Tony,

Getting the cars as a gift from the San Jose NMRA meet
from a friend of mine (all 5),they were the first I
built. If you remember, IM put them out special and
lettered them for SP. I know they aren't really SP
cars and they (SP) wouldn't carry sugar beets in them
when they had the GS-23 cars. I figure that I can use
them on "my railroad" with the GS-23 cars and they
would look okay to a "novice." By using them, I also
learned that the beet load for the RC car is really
for the car with the extensions and not for the
original car they put without the extensions. I am
now using the loads built for the IM cars in the
balance of my RC cars and the weight still works out
the same but the load looks better because I can place
it below the sides of the car. I am running seven RC
cars and five IM cars plus seven stock cars behind a
Rivarossi Cab Forward with an IHC mogul pushing behind
the last stock car and ahead of a modified MDC
caboose. The guys at the Club really like it and it
was a big hit at our last open house. Am wondering
how it will look behind a BL cab forward which I have
on order... (Can also use my two FM Trainmasters if
they aren't working on the weekend pulling commuters).
I know this isn't proto but for right now as I
continue to develop my ability to build and find the
proper equipment, I am learning and improving building
and will someday tackle the Westerfield resin stock
car kits I have.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.
--- thompson@... wrote:

If you know of any evidence these USRA gons EVER
carried sugar beets,
Jim, I'd like to know of it. To the best of my
knowledge, prior to the 1948
arrival of the composite GS gons, Blackburn beet
racks were used for this
crop; and before the Blackburn there was a more
primitive flat-car rack
used.
That said, of course, the USRAs would fit nicely
into the LOOK of a beet
train of a later era...<g>



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Re: Sealy Hoppers & USRA Gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

H81644@... asked:
...which of the western railroads received the USRA 40' Drop Bottom Gons?

Final allocations of USRA Specification 1002-B, 50-ton Drop-Bottom Gondola,
roads west of the Mississippi:
C&NW 115501-116499 (odd), 1000 cars
CB&Q 188000-188999, 1000 cars
CSPM&O (CMO) 41202-41599 (odd), 200 cars
EP&SW 11251-11500 (later SP 45904-46153), 250 cars
IC 126000-128649, 2650 cars
KCS 28300-28499, 200 cars
M&StL 27001-27499 (odd), 250 cars
MP 70501-73500, 3000 cars
SL-SF 85000-85999, 1000 cars

Data from Lane, "USRA Freight Cars: An Experiment in Standardization,"
Railroad History No. 128, Spring 1973. You're on your own for renumberings
and rebuilds.
For much data and photos regarding survivors, retirements, rebuilds, etc.
see my article in the Feb. 2000 RMJ.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Hand brakes (was AB brake details)

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty McGuirk" <mac@i...> wrote:
Ted,

You provide me with the drawings and good clear photos of a Universal
hand brake and I'll gladly add it to the detail sprue for the FGE
refrigerator car -- since that's the only piece of the puzzle currently
holding that project up. and running the brakewheel separately in a
mini-mold just won't be a problem.
I have posted a photo of the B-end of a FGEX wood reefer (#35941) in
the album "FGEX" in the Photos Section. What type of hand brake is
this one?

Bob Witt


Re: Windy City

Charlie Vlk
 

My tastes run from El Famous to Cafe le Cave.... or from White Castle
sliders to Chin's......
Funny you should mention the Windy City...... Craig Holmberg and I
instigated a most Un-Prototypical lettering scheme on a Production tank car
that was included in thousands of train sets....to imortalize two of
Chicago's finest gas producers. One of them singly (I was going to say
single handed, but that body part wasn't involved) caused a mass exodus from
an operating session in a fair-sized basement. The other delights in
setting off a joke remote control sound machine hidden under his layout....
but sometimes makes the sound even when its batteries are dead.....
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] early arrival in Naperville



You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!

And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!


At 11:39 AM 9/25/2003, you wrote:
Why not meet at Des Plaines Hobbies and go to dinner from there? There
are
many great restaurants in the area and it would be on the way as DPH is
less
than 10 minutes north of O'Hare....
Charlie Vlk

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Sterling, Massachusetts



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Re: early arrival in Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

Did I mention there's a Krispy Kreme on the way back to
Naperville? Mix that with a burrito and you have a potential
Weapon of Mass Destruction. Hoo-wah!


Tony Thompson quipped:

You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!
And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!
Thanks for the warning, Tim, when they make up the carfuls
for the hobby shop...<g>

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AAR hopper cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ok, he's brought in one through girder bridge, and one steel column.
Kinda 'spensive but they look nice. But bridges ain't freight cars.



Tim O'Connor asked regarding Cryer Gray Foundry:

All wonderful, ambitious ideas... but has he brought out anything yet?

Gee, Tim, if you care to ask, have a look about his website. He has imported a couple brass bridges so far. It seems to be a big interest of his.

Earl Tuson

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: early arrival in Naperville

thompson@...
 

You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!
And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!
Thanks for the warning, Tim, when they make up the carfuls for the hobby
shop...<g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: AAR hopper cars (was Sunshine hopper minikit)

Earl Tuson
 

Tim O'Connor asked regarding Cryer Gray Foundry:

All wonderful, ambitious ideas... but has he brought out anything yet?

Gee, Tim, if you care to ask, have a look about his website. He has imported a couple brass bridges so far. It seems to be a big interest of his.

Earl Tuson


Re: RI express box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Technically I guess they are 1937 AAR standard, but they were
built to the 1940 10'6" standard height. Rock Island never had
any of the 10'0" cars. Just thought I'd mention that before
Shawn rushes out and buys the wrong kit...


RI 20000-20049, 50 1937 AAR 40 ft boxcars built in 1941 equipped for
Express service, painted Pullman green with gold lettering, with
the "Route of the Rockets" slogan and red-background herald.

Ben Hom

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: early arrival in Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

You bet... like the El Famouso Burrito around the corner!!

And you thought they called it the Windy City on account
of the weather!


At 11:39 AM 9/25/2003, you wrote:
Why not meet at Des Plaines Hobbies and go to dinner from there? There are
many great restaurants in the area and it would be on the way as DPH is less
than 10 minutes north of O'Hare....
Charlie Vlk

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Sealy Hoppers & USRA Gons

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

H81644@... asked:
...which of the western railroads received the USRA 40' Drop Bottom Gons?

Final allocations of USRA Specification 1002-B, 50-ton Drop-Bottom Gondola,
roads west of the Mississippi:
C&NW 115501-116499 (odd), 1000 cars
CB&Q 188000-188999, 1000 cars
CSPM&O (CMO) 41202-41599 (odd), 200 cars
EP&SW 11251-11500 (later SP 45904-46153), 250 cars
IC 126000-128649, 2650 cars
KCS 28300-28499, 200 cars
M&StL 27001-27499 (odd), 250 cars
MP 70501-73500, 3000 cars
SL-SF 85000-85999, 1000 cars

Data from Lane, "USRA Freight Cars: An Experiment in Standardization,"
Railroad History No. 128, Spring 1973. You're on your own for renumberings
and rebuilds.


Ben Hom


Re: Intermountain composite gon

thompson@...
 

Jim Scott said:
I have five of the Intermountain composite gondolas
made as the convention car in San Jose. I found out
with the original weight that comes with the car that
the car is too lite. I added the sugar beet load from
Chooch...
If you know of any evidence these USRA gons EVER carried sugar beets,
Jim, I'd like to know of it. To the best of my knowledge, prior to the 1948
arrival of the composite GS gons, Blackburn beet racks were used for this
crop; and before the Blackburn there was a more primitive flat-car rack
used.
That said, of course, the USRAs would fit nicely into the LOOK of a beet
train of a later era...<g>


ADMIN: Please clean up FILES and PHOTOS areas

jaley <jaley@...>
 

All,

The STMFC "FILES" area is just about full. Please take a moment
to go back through the FILES area and delete any old files that are no
longer needed.

Files Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/

It is understood that some of these files provide an excellent
long-term reference; those should stay. However, I believe that many of
the pictures were quick illustrations to make a point (e.g. "What's the
doohickey in this photo?"). If your point is made (or the doohickey
identified), then please delete.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Also, please note that there is an area for "Files" and another for
"Photos". I suggest that photos be put in the photos section. :-)

Photos Link: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/lst

Thanks again!

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Listmaster, STMFC

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Tank Cars

h81644 <H81644@...>
 

Hi Folks,
Could someone give me a hand in identifing a 12000 gal tank car that
was used to carry oil to a oil fired smelter at Mayer, Ariz. in the
1920's. What type of tank car could have been used. This line was
part of an ATSF branchline in the Bradshaw Mountains in Arizona.

Thanks,
George

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