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CB&Q XM 17 and 18

Larry Castle <sp1930s@...>
 

Dear list,

I beleive the car in with it's end sticking up in the air in the first photo
at the link below is a close match for the Westerfield kit #8952.
As the photo was taken on the line I model and in my 1930's era (photo was
taken September 12, 1938) and, I have not seen many cars with truss rods in
any of my research, I need it.

Does it's number, 120041 fit the Westerfield model?
Photo link below, any leads on modeling any other cars in the photos is most
welcome.
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/misc/castle/1938main.html

Thanks
Larry Castle


Sunshine #52.10 Cotton Belt

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I am building Sunshine #52.10 Cotton Belt 10' 2" IH Rebuilt Box. I have the basic body assembled and was beginning the underbody detail.

I noted there are no stringers on the underframe. I compared this kit to #52.12, another Cotton Belt rebuilt box car kit, and that underframe is without stringers. However, in looking at the companion Northern Pacific kit #52.6, it has stringers on the underframe.

Did the Cotton Belt rebuild these cars without stringers on the underframe? If not, what size styrene strip should I use to represent the stringers?

Whether to string or not to string...that is the question!

Best wishes.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood, MD


Re: sunshine XM-25

Kevin Lafferty <KevinHLafferty@...>
 

Ted,

Thanks for the reply. In looking at the floor I now see that there are pads
at the locations that you describe. From your description and from the data
in the instructions I assume that the levers and reservoir air lines go
through the frame, is that correct?

Thanks,

Kevin Lafferty



Kevin:

The cylinder was located between the center of the car and under the
door post, closer to the B end. The control valve was located on the
same side of the car, under the door post closest to the A end. The
reservoirs were on the other side of the car, diagonally opposite the
cylinder and out towards the side sill. If this makes no sense, I can
diagram it. Also, some of the cars had shields over the control valves.

Regards,
Ted Culotta





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California State Railroad Museum & SP Historical Society Meet

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

For those of you who will attending the annual meeting of the SP
Historical Society in Sacramento this coming week, the California
State Railroad Museum Library will be open special hours for
attendees' special use Wednesday, 9-12, 1-5. If you have special
research needs, it would be helpful to the library, and very
convenient for you if you would transmit those needs to Ms. Ellen
Halteman, libarian@..., or call her
during working hours on Tuesday at 916-323-8073.

You might also do a preliminary data search at the website
http://www.csrmf.org/doc.asp?id=14.

The library will also be open during its regular hours 1-4 PM
Thursday-Saturday.

Denny
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Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA


Re: Models to Naperville

thompson@...
 

A few years back I was a speaker and I had some slides stolen from my
carousel between presentations.
It would be harder to steal your Powerpoint--unless of course they get
the entire laptop! (word to the wise--keep your eyes on your laptop when
out in public). I've been with people who lost them in hotel check-in
lines, and in bars, times when you are paying attention to something else.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Amtrak Schedules

Terry Harrison <nkpman@...>
 

Many times on trips from Washington DC to Orlando I have sat in hole waiting for coal trains to pass us on CSX tracks. And did I mention the van trains too?

Terry


Re: Amtrak Schedules

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Tim & Jeff,

Time keeping on the Three Rivers, Pennsylvanian and Lake Shore has
improved since we cut back on working freight on these trains at
intermediate terminals. Unfortunately, NS (which is responsible for two
thirds of the trip on the two Pittsburgh-side trains and the
Cleveland-Chicago portion of the Lake Shore) has not learned that
passenger trains have priority over freight trains and Amtrak has not
the guts to have the federal courts enforce the "preference" rule built
into the original Amtrak enabling law. This was a problem with Southern
Pacific (Sunset Limited) back in the early '70s, but after some
enlightenment from the federal courts, they shaped up.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware

englishintroy wrote:


--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:

Jeff, I admire your courage at defending the indefensible. I
have given many thousands of dollars to Amtrak over the years,
but I'm not a customer anymore. I think most people can tolerate
an occasional late arrival -- but after a while not knowing if
you're going to arrive in time for OTHER THINGS you have
planned gets very wearisome.
I agree that there is a danger that some people who don't have prior
experience will read the timetable and take it literally. An
experienced rider knows not to count on making a close call, such as
a meeting or wedding that starts soon after the published arrival
time. Once one learns how reality works though, one uses the
uncertainty to advantage; be flexible and use the extra time on
board to read a little more or whatever, and if the train surpises
you and arrives on time then enjoy the extra time at your
destination. It takes a looser attitude, which, as an obsessive-
compulsive person myself, is admittedly sometimes difficult but
worth it in the end.

And the absurdity of a train
that travels at under 50 mph in the 21st Century
I'm not sure if I'd call it absurd, but it is surely sad. Again,
the point of choosing the train for long distance travel is not
speed. High-speed short-haul corridors are a completely different
matter, and I get utility from that too, being as I often get to
take business trips from Albany to New York; 12 trains a day to
choose from for a trip just over 2 hours at up to 110 miles an
hour. And yes, that could be much better too, but it's a political
problem, not a fault of Amtrak management or the people who are out
there every day running the trains.

and that
costs 2x-3x as much as flying, is just too ridiculous for
words.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Flying gets you there and
that's about it, whereas the train is a travel experience. It's a
matter of perspective whether one gets value for the money. I do.
Also, Tim, since you admit to once having spent thousands to ride,
consider that Amtrak's Guest Rewards program (like frequent flier)
affords a significant cost saving. I qualified for a free sleeping
car room this October.

Jeff English
Troy, New York


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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Terry Harrison <nkpman@...>
 

As you see I have put 2 pics in files under Terry's pics.

I shot 68 pics of this car and other one. MANY close up shots of, Camel door locks, latches, door rollers, trucks, etc.....

Inside are the grain marks as follows:

Wheat- 4'
Corn, flaxseed & rye- 4'4"
Barley- 4' 11"
Oats- 7'11"

I have many inside and outside shots. If you want to see more, e-mail me.

Cars ARE for sale. Need to be trucked out and are in northern lower MI. I mentioned $500 each and he jumped to a yes. Probably could be had for $100 each if you lay money on counter. I have NO place to put them at my cabin or I would have bought them!!!


Terry


Re: coffee

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Richard,

T'aint the food, just poor control!

Tom

Richard Hendrickson wrote:


Tom OLSEN WRITES:
It is obvious that none of these guys have been east of Pittsburgh for a
long while or maybe not at all! After all, people from Philly who go to
the west coast have to import things like cheese steaks, hoagies (not to
be mistaken for subs!), Tastycakes & pies, pizza and coffee as it is
made in the east. Pizza made in the italian pizzerias in Philly or New
York come in sizes up to cartwheels with everything you can think of as
toppings. One or two of these and you need help to get across the
room! Coffee, made properly, is good for a lot of things from staining
furniture (color does not come off, no matter what you use),
waterproofing basement railroad room walls, or keeping you awake through
those long slide sessions that last to dawn!....
So that's why so many easterners are seriously overweight and have
digestive problems....

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


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Re: Models to Naperville

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In a message dated 9/27/03 10:32:29 AM, timboconnor@... writes:

<< A few things have been damaged but I have not heard of any thefts. >>

A few years back I was a speaker and I had some slides stolen from my
carousel between presentations. Martin and I were both rather shocked of course. I
don't think this sort of behavior is representative of 99 & 44/100ths percent
of the attendees, but it just takes one. Keep in mind that the place is open
to the public and anyone can mosey on in, not just our little phraternity of
phriends of the pheight car.

C


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Coffee

Justin Kahn
 

The Navy reminiscences moves me to defend the USAF with a war story: I well remember visiting a radar site in Korea and noticing a particularly encrusted cup on an old NCO's desk. He told me he never washed it, as when in a hurry or when supplies were short, he could just add hot water and get a fresh cup.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

You guys is all lightweight coffee drinkers. Out here in
God's Country we drink Real Coffee. And if there's any of
it left over, then we mix it with gravel, and use it to pave
our roads with!
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Amtrak Schedules

Justin Kahn
 

Dear Jeff
I can't quite agree with your conclusion. Having ridden early Amtrak (including the Lake Shore), when schedules seemed closer to reality, and even a few pre-Amtrak passenger trains (the NYC a couple of times in college, once on the C&O in Virginia, the Southern Crescent as the last non-Amtrak holdout), I do have some standard of comparison. I take the train as an alternative to flying (rarely rather than driving, as driving offers the convenience of door-to-door, wheels at the away location, and unlimited baggage with as careful handling as one could wish); unless one is flying Southwest or something comparable, the train is usually still cheaper, and sometimes it is less of a problem to get TO the point of departure and FROM the point of arrival. If I want leisurely travel, there are excursion railroads.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

While this can be true, it nonetheless is indicative of a "double
standard" in peoples view of on-time performance. If you were
driving from New York to Chicago and estimated it would take you 13
hours (or consulted AAA who would tell it takes such-and-such number
of hours) and when you actually finished the trip it took 14 hours,
you would not be bitching about how f***ed up everything is that you
couldn't make it in 13 hours. The whole point of traveling by long
distance train is to relax and get your nose off your watch. So the
train gets there at 10 instead of 9 -- so what.
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Re: Models to Naperville

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Golden writes:

...the wife and son want to join me and
hit the zoo, etc. while I'm at the meet. Can anyone
suggest cool things to do in the area for families?
Near Naperville is the Morton arboretum, a vast forest of deciduous trees
where the color of the turning leaves can be absolutely stunning if the
timing is right. Several years ago, Naperville happened to coincide with
the fall colors at their peak and my wife spent the better part of a day
there just strolling around and taking pictures.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: coffee

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tom OLSEN WRITES:
It is obvious that none of these guys have been east of Pittsburgh for a
long while or maybe not at all! After all, people from Philly who go to
the west coast have to import things like cheese steaks, hoagies (not to
be mistaken for subs!), Tastycakes & pies, pizza and coffee as it is
made in the east. Pizza made in the italian pizzerias in Philly or New
York come in sizes up to cartwheels with everything you can think of as
toppings. One or two of these and you need help to get across the
room! Coffee, made properly, is good for a lot of things from staining
furniture (color does not come off, no matter what you use),
waterproofing basement railroad room walls, or keeping you awake through
those long slide sessions that last to dawn!....
So that's why so many easterners are seriously overweight and have
digestive problems....

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Models to Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

John, models are simply left in the display room.
There is always someone there while the doors are
open. A few things have been damaged but I have not
heard of any thefts. After hours the room is locked
up. It's right off the lobby and restaurant so it's
impossible to enter the room without anyone seeing.
Models have to be removed on Saturday evening.

The zoo is good. Also there is a Children's Museum,
Naper Village (kind of like Plimouth Plantation or a
very mini-Williamsburg), the Field Museum, the Art
Institute, etc etc etc...

http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Tourism/ThingsToDo/Museums.html#ST

And there's always BASEBALL! I think last year there
was quite a lot of howling and cheering going on in
the bar while we watched the World Series Angels on TV.



Ted Culotta and I have been discussing bringing models
to Naperville. What is the protocol for models and
display? Is there a private, locked room where we can
leave them overnight, or is the model display just for
an hour or two every day, or just for one day?

I'll arrive on Wednesday afternoon and will be staying
at the Residence Inn in Warrenville (about eight miles
from the Holiday Inn). I've got some free nights to
burn there, plus the wife and son want to join me and
hit the zoo, etc. while I'm at the meet. Can anyone
suggest cool things to do in the area for families?

Thanks!
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Models to Naperville

golden1014
 

Gents,

Ted Culotta and I have been discussing bringing models
to Naperville. What is the protocol for models and
display? Is there a private, locked room where we can
leave them overnight, or is the model display just for
an hour or two every day, or just for one day?

I'll arrive on Wednesday afternoon and will be staying
at the Residence Inn in Warrenville (about eight miles
from the Holiday Inn). I've got some free nights to
burn there, plus the wife and son want to join me and
hit the zoo, etc. while I'm at the meet. Can anyone
suggest cool things to do in the area for families?

Thanks!
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

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Re: Amtrak Schedules

Tim O'Connor
 

Also, Tim, since you admit to once having spent thousands to ride,
consider that Amtrak's Guest Rewards program (like frequent flier)
affords a significant cost saving. I qualified for a free sleeping
car room this October.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

Jeff,

I decided to fly, First Class, on American. Price $0.00. And I've
never bought an American Airlines ticket! (Credit cards have been
giving air mile rewards for years.)

Heck, Amtrak lost its shirt trying to move freight! (Obligatory
freight car content.) Maybe they should reinvent themselves as a
theme park on wheels! You got the Roller Coaster Coach, the Scary
Restroom Ride (who knows what you'll find?), The Heave-Ho Snackbar
Adventure...

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Amtrak Schedules

Jeff English
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:

Jeff, I admire your courage at defending the indefensible. I
have given many thousands of dollars to Amtrak over the years,
but I'm not a customer anymore. I think most people can tolerate
an occasional late arrival -- but after a while not knowing if
you're going to arrive in time for OTHER THINGS you have
planned gets very wearisome.
I agree that there is a danger that some people who don't have prior
experience will read the timetable and take it literally. An
experienced rider knows not to count on making a close call, such as
a meeting or wedding that starts soon after the published arrival
time. Once one learns how reality works though, one uses the
uncertainty to advantage; be flexible and use the extra time on
board to read a little more or whatever, and if the train surpises
you and arrives on time then enjoy the extra time at your
destination. It takes a looser attitude, which, as an obsessive-
compulsive person myself, is admittedly sometimes difficult but
worth it in the end.

And the absurdity of a train
that travels at under 50 mph in the 21st Century
I'm not sure if I'd call it absurd, but it is surely sad. Again,
the point of choosing the train for long distance travel is not
speed. High-speed short-haul corridors are a completely different
matter, and I get utility from that too, being as I often get to
take business trips from Albany to New York; 12 trains a day to
choose from for a trip just over 2 hours at up to 110 miles an
hour. And yes, that could be much better too, but it's a political
problem, not a fault of Amtrak management or the people who are out
there every day running the trains.

and that
costs 2x-3x as much as flying, is just too ridiculous for
words.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Flying gets you there and
that's about it, whereas the train is a travel experience. It's a
matter of perspective whether one gets value for the money. I do.
Also, Tim, since you admit to once having spent thousands to ride,
consider that Amtrak's Guest Rewards program (like frequent flier)
affords a significant cost saving. I qualified for a free sleeping
car room this October.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

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