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Re: BAR Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim, I have a very nice 1950's photo of BAR #6722, a wood reefer
in blue (lower half) and white (upper half) with a big red potato
logo. There is a second car painted the same way in the photo,
perhaps #6039. Champ Decals made a set for this paint scheme --
HR-43.

If anyone can recommend how to model this car, I'd love to hear it!
Could I use the Sunshine MDT kit 20.4? (Is that the prototype?)



now when did the color change from blue and white to yellow/orange?
Would a blue and white one have lasted until 1953?
The Red, White and Blue STATE OF MAINE cars were not reefers, but were
boxcars - some of them insulated. The scheme started to be applied in
the early 1950's.

The BAR did not buy their first reefer until 1951. The first series 338
strong in 1/1953, #6000-6999, were ex-MDT reefers and were painted
yellow with black ends. The second series were the #7000-7856 which were
built by Pacific Car & Foundry - 500 in 1951-52 and another 357 in 1953.
These had yellow sides and ends. The #7000's were the ones rented to
PFE during the summer - the off-season for Aroostook County spuds.

Tim Gilbert

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: BAR Reefers

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

George Hollwedel wrote:

Solves 1/2 the equation,
now when did the color change from blue and white to yellow/orange?
Would a blue and white one have lasted until 1953?
The Red, White and Blue STATE OF MAINE cars were not reefers, but were
boxcars - some of them insulated. The scheme started to be applied in
the early 1950's.

The BAR did not buy their first reefer until 1951. The first series 338
strong in 1/1953, #6000-6999, were ex-MDT reefers and were painted
yellow with black ends. The second series were the #7000-7856 which were
built by Pacific Car & Foundry - 500 in 1951-52 and another 357 in 1953.
These had yellow sides and ends. The #7000's were the ones rented to
PFE during the summer - the off-season for Aroostook County spuds.

Tim Gilbert


Re: BAR Reefers

George Hollwedel <georgeloop@...>
 

Micro-Trains has released a blue and white, ex MDT, wood reefer this month
and I'm trying to see how accurate and feasible it is. It is not a red
white and blue boxcar. Micro-Trains is claiming they were painted yellow
"later". They have put #6006 on the car and it can be seen here:

http://www.micro-trains.com/nr_49550.htm

Any help is appreciated, wish I was in Sacramento!

George Hollwedel
Prototype N Scale Models
georgeloop@...


The BAR did not buy their first reefer until 1951. The first series 338
strong in 1/1953, #6000-6999, were ex-MDT reefers and were painted
yellow with black ends. The second series were the #7000-7856 which were
built by Pacific Car & Foundry - 500 in 1951-52 and another 357 in 1953.
These had yellow sides and ends. The #7000's were the ones rented to
PFE during the summer - the off-season for Aroostook County spuds.

Tim Gilbert


Re: What do you use to simulate log loads?

Tim O'Connor
 

Be careful with bottlebrush. Certain compounds in the plant are deadly
poisonous (IIRC, digitalis). They are probably safe for log loads, as
long as small children don't get the twigs to teeth on or something.

Note to self: Stop chewing on model trains. A bad habit, and
possibly hazardous.

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NYS&W 501-524 40ft steel boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Larry,

That's weird, I have scans of NYSW 501 and 510 and they are
40 foot cars. Also the 1965 ORER lists 501 to 524 as 40 foot
cars. The 3645 cubic feet is consistent with a 40 foot car,
not a 50 footer.

I have a 1980's scan of NYSW 526, a 40 foot PS1 painted in
a scheme just like the Rutland cars. One thing about the NYSW,
it was one weird railroad!






There is a photo of NYS&W 508 on p45 of Classic Freight Cars, Vol 7.

Atlas O applied this paint scheme to their steel rebuilt boxcar.

Does anyone know the origin of these cars?

All 24 cars in the 501-524 series is listed in the 4-66 ORER. This series
is not listed in the 1-59 ORER. I don't have any ORERs in between these
dates.

The ORER dimensions are IL 50ft 6in, IW 9ft 0in, IH 10ft 0in, HtopRB 14ft
8in, and cuft 3645.

The 5 panel steel sides have a double row of rivets at each panel seam.
The panel widths near the door on the left hand side suggest that the car
originally was an auto boxcar. The ends are 6/5/5 (counting from the top)
corrugated ends with inverted corrugations.

TIA for any help.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Freight Car Oddities

Tim O'Connor
 

Were ALL member of class B-50-47 outfitted with Hydra-Cushion
underframes, including the T&NO cars? Who was the builder of this
class? Who was the commercial builder of the H/C underframes?

Lee, all of the B-50-47's had H/C underframes including the
T&NO cars. My notes say SP Equipment Co. was the builder of
all of the cars. Unfortunately I've never seen a photograph
of one of these!


Also, I have class B-50-39 as including a single car, SP 650830.
Is this correct, or were there other cars built to this class?

You're kind of correct. The 650830 was the only car BUILT AS a
B-50-39, but the 650831 (the rebuilt B-50-34X) was put into the
B-50-39 number series. Those are the only two in the "series".
In the SP Freight Car Spec sheets, the 650830 and 650831 each
get their own line-item. So they were both one-of-a-kinds in
spite of being lumped into the B-50-39 class number series
[650830-651029].


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: BAR Reefers

George Hollwedel <georgeloop@...>
 

Solves 1/2 the equation,
now when did the color change from blue and white to yellow/orange?
Would a blue and white one have lasted until 1953?

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: BAR Reefers


"George Hollwedel" <georgeloop@...> asks re: BAR reefers-

Would a load of Maine potatoes ever have made it's way to California?
Deny Anspach replied:

I have no idea, but what I do know is that I used to see whole solid
blocks of leased yellow BAR reefers making their way over Donner
Summit in September during the years c. 1953-1957. If there were
other liveries, I do not remember them.
In the potato off-season, the BAR had an arrangement by which they
provided their surplus reefers to PFE.

Tim Gilbert


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Re: Modeling freight car distribution.

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Pocahontas 3.1%
3 C&O
USRA SS (Westerfield 3303)
1 N&W
By 1943, 800 of C&O's 1000 USRA boxes had been rebuilt with steel sides
(use the new Sunshine kit) and most of the rest were being cut down to
wheel flats.

David Thompson


Re: BAR Reefers

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

"George Hollwedel" <georgeloop@...> asks re: BAR reefers-

Would a load of Maine potatoes ever have made it's way to California?
Deny Anspach replied:

I have no idea, but what I do know is that I used to see whole solid
blocks of leased yellow BAR reefers making their way over Donner
Summit in September during the years c. 1953-1957. If there were
other liveries, I do not remember them.
In the potato off-season, the BAR had an arrangement by which they
provided their surplus reefers to PFE.

Tim Gilbert


Re: BAR Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

SP/PFE borrowed lots of reefers in the off-season from BAR. Early
1960's photos of Donner pass show lots of BAR reefers, plus C&NW/NWX
reefers mixed in with PFE reefers. Before the mid 1950's, I don't
think the BAR had enough reefers to make a notable contribution to
traffic in California.

Maine potatoes were shipped mostly in the cold months beginning with
the September harvest and continuing through the winter. They were
usually more concerned with freezing than with keeping the loads cold.


I have a two part BAR reefer question.
When did they start painting them yellow or orange?
Would a load of Maine potatoes ever have made it's way to California?

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hydra-Cushion (Was: Freight Car Oddities)

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony Thompson wrote

Should'na typed without checking. The last car of Class B-50-34, car no.
110249, was constructed by SP Equipment Co. in November, 1954, with a
prototype Hydra-Cushion underframe fabricated by Consolidated Western Steel
from SRI drawings. This car became 650831 in 1956, and was classified as
B-50-34-X at least as early as March, 1955.

And as Tony pointed out in another email in a galaxy long ago
and far away, from April 26, 1956 to November 30, 1956, the car
wore the number 171490!

Also according to an earlier Tony email, the 110249 was built on
December 28, 1954.

Keeping track of SP freight car renumbering is fun!


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: DesPlaines Hobbies sale

Tim O'Connor
 

Shawn,

P2K at 50% off is no big deal. You can get those prices
any day on Ebay. I doubt that Ron has marked down the most
recent P2K stuff.

(I once took advantage of a P2K sale at Charles Ro -- got
all kinds of engines for $30-35 each. Now what the heck am
I gonna do with an E6?)


Fellow Listers,

Just a heads-up, if nobody here has heard about this.
Does anyone familiar with Mr. Sebastian or Des Plaines
Hobbies know if this VERY under-the-radar sale applies
to P2K freight cars as well? Not that this helps us out
of state people, but you guys living in the area would
probably want to know about a 2-for-1 freight car sale!

Shawn Beckert

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Intermountain composite gon

Jim Scott
 

If you are lettering for SP, the number is SHS-144
from Champ.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA


--- h81644 <H81644@...> wrote:
Tony,
Is there anyone making decals for these cars. I have
about 19 of
them that I need to letter.

Thanks,
George


--- In STMFC@..., thompson@s... wrote:
Getting the cars as a gift from the San Jose NMRA
meet
from a friend of mine (all 5),they were the first
I
built. If you remember, IM put them out special
and
lettered them for SP. I know they aren't really
SP
cars...
Yes, Richard Hendrickson and I put together the
lettering info
for
Intermountain to do those cars, so I definitely do
remember. And
sure, they
were absolutely SP cars. See photo in SP Frt. Cars
Vol. 1. That
photo even
demonstrates that Richard and I got the lettering
right.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,
Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@s...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western
history


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FGEX/WFEX/BREX handout at Naperville

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

For anyone interested I will bring copies of the 52 page handout I provided
last year for my presentation "Wood Sheathed Cars of the FGEX/WFEX/BREX
Freight Refrigerator Fleet" for anyone that did not get one last year. They
will be $3.oo. I will also have two albums of FGEX/WFEX/BREX photos if
anyone would like to look through them. I am also thinking about bringing my
slide presentation if anyone wants to look at it themselves during those 10
PM sessions, but I do not intend to stay and do any commentary.

Bill Welch


Re: Freight Car Oddities - Fall 2003 SP Trainline

Lee Gautreaux
 

Tony,

Were ALL member of class B-50-47 outfitted with Hydra-Cushion
underframes, including the T&NO cars? Who was the builder of this
class? Who was the commercial builder of the H/C underframes?

Also, I have class B-50-39 as including a single car, SP 650830. Is
this correct, or were there other cars built to this class? Thanks
for your input on this thread. This is all very important history.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/




With modifications, the equipment was prepared for
production, first on part of the B-50-39 class of 1956 (using parts
built
by SRI), then in 1957 on Class B-50-47 using commercial parts,
which brings
us back to the red-gray car.

Tony Thompson


Re: What do you use to simulate log loads?

MOFWCABOOSE@...
 

The problem with small worms in the "logs" in the log buggies surfaced in
about 1954 when the buggies were first introduced by Model Engineering Works.
Following an interesting letter in Model Railroader, MEW announced they would
fumigate the logs. But they must have later stopped, because when I assembled one
in 1965, I had the same problem.

I remember cutting branches from some tree (but don't recall what kind) that
made perfect logs for Kadee's disconnected logging cars. Someone sent a letter
to MR not long after the disconnects appeared, saying: "We [in Washington
state] grow LOGS out here, not fencepost splinters."

John C. La Rue, Jr.


Re: BAR Reefers

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

"George Hollwedel" <georgeloop@...> asks re: BAR reefers-

Would a load of Maine potatoes ever have made it's way to California?
I have no idea, but what I do know is that I used to see whole solid blocks of leased yellow BAR reefers making their way over Donner Summit in September during the years c. 1953-1957. If there were other liveries, I do not remember them.

Denny

--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Intermountain composite gon

h81644 <H81644@...>
 

Tony,
Is there anyone making decals for these cars. I have about 19 of
them that I need to letter.

Thanks,
George


--- In STMFC@..., thompson@s... wrote:
Getting the cars as a gift from the San Jose NMRA meet
from a friend of mine (all 5),they were the first I
built. If you remember, IM put them out special and
lettered them for SP. I know they aren't really SP
cars...
Yes, Richard Hendrickson and I put together the lettering info
for
Intermountain to do those cars, so I definitely do remember. And
sure, they
were absolutely SP cars. See photo in SP Frt. Cars Vol. 1. That
photo even
demonstrates that Richard and I got the lettering right.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@s...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


BAR Reefer

George Hollwedel <georgeloop@...>
 

I have a two part BAR reefer question.
When did they start painting them yellow or orange?
Would a load of Maine potatoes ever have made it's way to California?

Thanks for any help!

George Hollwedel
Prototype N Scale Models
georgeloop@...


AAR Car Class Stenciling

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Not to single Bill S. out for abuse, but I've noticed that some of
the boxcars illustrated at the Branchline web site have their AAR
classification stenciled on the side and some don't.

Was it mandatory for a railroad to stencil the AAR classification
of a car (XM, XML, XAP, etc.) on the side of the car, and if so,
when did the AAR make this a rule?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert

172801 - 172820 of 197025