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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9

losgatos48 <endeimling@...>
 

Paul-
You can order the issue direct from the publisher.
http://hometown.aol.com/rpcyc/rpcychome.html
Or get it from a hobby shop such as Des Plaines Hobbies, Caboose
or.............

Gene

-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, paul catapano <hpcatapano@e...> wrote:
How does one subscribe to or buy copies of this?

Paul Catapano


"CTSE"

paul catapano <hpcatapano@...>
 

Can anyone identify the reporting marks "CTSE" on a outside braced
boxcar also lettered Milwaukee Road with a date of 11/51.
Thank you all very much!

Paul Catapano


Re: "CTSE"

Schroeders <schroeder.bears@...>
 

should be chicago, terre haute and southeastern (Milw subsidary)


Bernd

----- Original Message -----
From: "paul catapano" <hpcatapano@earthlink.net>
To: "Steam Era Freight Car Group" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 2003 05:45
Subject: [STMFC] "CTSE"


Can anyone identify the reporting marks "CTSE" on a outside braced
boxcar also lettered Milwaukee Road with a date of 11/51.
Thank you all very much!

Paul Catapano



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Re: Help for Bowser

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

We are looking for some information. Can you Help??
We need the body color for the following 2 Bay GLa look alike hopper.
See the HO car main page on the web site for drawings of the artwork.
The vast majority of these are going to be black, assuming they're doing
the as-delivered schemes in the SSC builder's photos. The only exception
that comes to mind is BR&P, who used a brown of some sort with black
roadname panels. A lot of these aren't Gla's, and how many folks model
the Wabash Pittsburg Terminal?

David Thompson

Alton & Southern
Aluminum Company of American
Buffalo Rochester & Pittsburgh
B&O
C&O
Big Four - New York Central
CI&S - New York Central
CNO & TP
LS & MS- New York Central
Lehigh Valley
NYNH&H
Milliken Bros
P&LE
PMcK & Y New York Central
PSM Co
Penna Salt Mfg Co
Rutland
TSP Co
A.L.H. & P. Co.
Thurlow Railway Co
Union Carbide Co of Canada Limited
URR Union
W.P.T. Ry Co.
Western Maryland


Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9

paul catapano <hpcatapano@...>
 

How does one subscribe to or buy copies of this?

Paul Catapano


Re: GB&W steel frame auto car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Ian Wilson writes:

I have come across an interesting photo of a mixed train on a CNR
branchline in Southern Ontario circa 1955. The first car behind the
Ten Wheeler is GBW 15056. My Jan. 1953 ORER tells me that this Green
Bay & Western boxcar is a 40-foot steel-frame car, 10'-0" in height,
with double doors and 3713 c.f. capacity.
[snip]

Can anyone provide some guidance as to the closest HO kit to
represent one of these cars?
Ian, there are no HO scale kits that are even remotely close. But if you
were to make patterns, I'll bet one of the resin guys could be pursuaded to
produce one (Hint, hint). GBW owned 150 cars of essentially the same
design, 100 with single doors and 50 with double doors, and subsidiary
Kewaunee, Green Bay & Western had another 25 single door cars. I have
several photos of the single door cars, if anyone is interested.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: AAR 1944 boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Clark Probst wrote:

There's a photo on the Wheeler CD of an unusual SOO 50' box car. It appears
to have 10'6" IH, 4/5 Dreadnaught end with square corners, 5 panels on each
side of center hung double doors. Any idea how popular this design was?
Really
neat car, I would like to kitbash one sometime.
Clark Propst
SOO series 175000-175498 built 1937 (even numbers only)
To which Tim O'Connor responded:

An unusual design unfortunately. Many of the 50 foot steel cars were
one-of-a-kind designs. The door opening was 12'6" and the car had a
10'1"IH (perhaps because of an interior rack?).

Red Caboose makes a 40 foot double door car that is good for SOO,
and no one else.
The Soo Line cars were unique, AFAIK, in having 12' double doors centered
in the car body, rather than being staggered. Staggered doors were
standard on automobile box cars, as they facilitated loading and unloading,
but the Soo Line cars were intended primarily for paper service, where the
wide centered doors provided fork lift access. And 12'1" IH was adequate
for the intended load, since the installation of overhead auto racks was
never contemplated.

As for the 12'0" IH 40' double door box car models from RC, one other RR
had them (with W-corner-post ends, rather than the square corner post ends
on the Soo Line cars). That was Seabaorad Air Line, for which RC's model
is correctly lettered.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Need Champ Decals

sctry <jgreedy@...>
 

I need the following Champ decals (HO-scale) to complete some
projects.

HR-52 - Dubuque wood reefer
HR-63 - Dubuque steel reefer
HR-64 - Morrell (Big Heart logo)

Please contact me off-list.


John Greedy


Re: Help for Bowser

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis F. Blake [mailto:dblake2996@wideopenwest.com]
Got this from the fine folks at Bowser, they are looking for some info....
------------------------------------------------------------------
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We are looking for some information. Can you Help??
We need the body color for the following 2 Bay GLa look alike hopper.
See the HO car main page on the web site for drawings of the artwork.

Alton & Southern
Aluminum Company of American
Buffalo Rochester & Pittsburgh
B&O
C&O[snip]

Well according to some 'round here it's a fools errand they're on. Course
when Bowser picks something most everybody will complain they picked the
wrong color (e.g., see any 40's lettered PRR boxcar they sell).

Go figure.

Dave Nelson


Re: Armour car whatchmacallit!

Steve Sandifer <jssand@...>
 

What does the top of this shaft look like. Is there a lever on it or what?

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----- Original Message -----
From: switchengines
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Armour car whatchmacallit!


This is the operating rod to open the brine tank drain valve from
the roof of the car by icing crews at reicing stations. Meat
refrigerators had there crushed ice salted down (sometimes up to 30%)
to bring the temperature inside the car down lower. When the ice
melted it made a very salty corrosive brine that could really do some
damage to track and bridges. I can remember some Midwestern railroads
painting mainline rail joints a black tar paint to prevent damage of
this type during the refrigerator car "ice age". It was desireable
to drain the brine only at icing stations for this reason.
Regards, Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.


STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Clark Propst <cepropst@n...> wrote:
> I'm ready to modify a some Intermountain Armour reefers with Stan
> Rydarowicz parts. I have two photos of the 0-2000 series cars. I
noticed
> a rather larger (in diameter) rod that runs on the right side of the
> coupler box to the top of the car. Anyone have any idea what this
rod is
> for?
> Thanks,
> Clark Propst
> In Armour country, UPPER midwest.


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Re: NEW THREAD--WAYBILLS

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Norman [mailto:mec-bml@charter.net]
....Im building alayout based on the
B&ML(belfast&mooseheadlake rly)...
can't say I've ever heard of that one.

...and its always(or should be)August
1950 that month the B&ML handled 300 inbound cars and
shipped(loaded)120(180 mtys)cars man Id like to know who got
those 300 cars and who shipped the 120 and in what type
cars(which railroads)would guess most of the 120 would be MECor
BM(as the BML had links to the MEC)but a waybill would sure paint
the picture and conect the dots!!!!!
Absent RR documentation you'll never know what happened in August 1950.
Here's a brief of what I've done to answer the same issue:

1) I found out who were the shippers & recipients in the region I am
interested in. Takes years, but I've got a fairly complete list now for my
locale. Not that practical for larger rr's but you can often learn
something interesting from the effort.

2) Understand from ICC documetation what the RR really carried. I used
commodity classification reports which show local, inbound, outbound, and
bridge tonnage for 300+ commodity classes as well as total cars of each
class and revenue. There is an example of this in the files area called
Rutland.xls; The value of these data lie in setting the relative ratios for
carload commodity quantities (e.g., most people are ignorant of the
occurance of common gravel/sand carloads yet it's one of the most common
carloads on every railroad). IIRC, this is not available for non-class I
roads.

3) Find a tonnage map. This'll show the relative traffic volumes across the
entire road. Copeland maps are one source.

4) Identify some offline shippers & recipients. I make use of Moody's
industrials and many industrial directories for this. How many "some" is is
up to you. Over on the Op-Sig list they've documented thousands.

5) Guess (actually select, but guess is actually what's going on) which
offline names did business with your online businesses. I have written
software for this.

6) By whatever means is practical to you map out the traffic between the
online names, offline names, commodity. I have written software for this.
Other people use hand written waybill cards. Essentially whatever floats
your boat.

Obviously at any point you might decide this isn't what you want to be doing
with your time. That said I do belive these are the tasks for getting
historically correct names and plausible carload types and quantities.

Dave Nelson


NEW THREAD--WAYBILLS

Joel Norman <mec-bml@...>
 

GENTLEMAN: I hope Im not stepping out of bounds but was wondering if there is anyone in this group that collects waybills??have a feeling that the best looking freight car(if your operating alayout based on railroad practice)isnt much good if you dont know what it carried and to whom.Im building alayout based on the B&ML(belfast&mooseheadlake rly)and its always(or should be)August 1950 that month the B&ML handled 300 inbound cars and shipped(loaded)120(180 mtys)cars man Id like to know who got those 300 cars and who shipped the 120 and in what type cars(which railroads)would guess most of the 120 would be MECor BM(as the BML had links to the MEC)but a waybill would sure paint the picture and conect the dots!!!!!
Help if you can???
Joel Norman
Eastern Maine Rly


GB&W steel frame auto car

allandale1 <iwilson1081@...>
 

I have come across an interesting photo of a mixed train on a CNR
branchline in Southern Ontario circa 1955. The first car behind the
Ten Wheeler is GBW 15056. My Jan. 1953 ORER tells me that this Green
Bay & Western boxcar is a 40-foot steel-frame car, 10'-0" in height,
with double doors and 3713 c.f. capacity.

I find it interesting that such a car found its way to an Ontario
branchline. The GB&W only had about 500 boxcars. Based upon its
position in the train, my guess is that it is carrying merchandise,
perhaps a straight car (as opposed to way car) of furniture from the
CNR Kincardine branchline (the area had a number of furniture
factories).

I am interested in modelling this car in HO scale, but I have no
leads as to a suitable kit as a starting point. I have searched
through John Nehrich's freight car volume and web site, to no avail.
As mentioned a few months ago on this list, GB&W freight car
diagrams are available online. This particular class of car (of
which there were 24 remaining in the Jan. 1953 ORER) is posted at
http://www.greenbayroute.com/1947diagram23.htm. The notes on the
drawing indicate that these auto cars were constructed by Bettendorf
in 1930.

Can anyone provide some guidance as to the closest HO kit to
represent one of these cars?

Thanks in advance for any assistance,

Ian
______
Ian Wilson Canadian Branchline Miniatures
Box 2565, Orillia, ON L3V 7B1
http://www.canadianbranchline.com
mailto:ian@canadianbranchline.com
Publishers of books on CNR steam operations in Ontario during the
1950s


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Usually I get a pre order card from Ed. Sometimes he posts pre order
info on this site. Ed, will there be issues for sale at Naperville?
Clark Propst


Re: AAR 1944 boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott, that's a different car. Red Caboose makes two such cars.

At 07:38 AM 10/11/2003, you wrote:
Also good for Seaboard Air Line. RHH did an article in RMJ.
Scott Pitzer


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>

Red Caboose makes a 40 foot double door car that is good for SOO,
and no one else.


Re: AAR 1944 boxcars

Scott Pitzer
 

Also good for Seaboard Air Line. RHH did an article in RMJ.
Scott Pitzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>

Red Caboose makes a 40 foot double door car that is good for SOO,
and no one else.


AARS vs ARA vs AAR

CBarkan@...
 

Tim,

Are you referring to the convention of the American Association of Railroad
Superintendents? If so I do not believe that they had any association with the
ARA (which by the way had been reorganized into the AAR in 1934). Or was
there some separate AAR superintendents' organization at that time?

Chris

In a message dated 10/10/03 7:14:15 AM, tgilbert@sunlink.net writes:

<< In commenting about this rule at the 1948 ARA Superintendents
Convention, the Chairman of the Interline Distribution & Exchange of
Freight Car Committee said "(The exception) is limited, however, and is
not a CARTE BLANCHE authority that is granted." >>


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9

CBarkan@...
 

Joel,

The postal address for RP Cycs is:

RP CYC Publishing Co.
P.O. Box 451
Chesterfield, MO 63006-0451

Ed Hawkins who is on this list is one of the publishers. Contact him at
<HAWK0621@aol.com> regarding price.

The latest is the 9th Volume and the previoius 8 are all worth having if you
are a serious prototype modeler, or if you are simply interested in prototype
equipment from the late steam/early diesel era.

Chris Barkan

In a message dated 10/10/03 9:42:06 PM, mec-bml@charter.net writes:

<< WERE DO WE GET THIS PUBLICATION???????

JOEL NORMAN>>


----- Original Message -----

From: "Brian Rochon" <berochon@msn.com>

To: "SteamFreightcarsList" <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:16 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9



RP Cyc #9 came today. Lots of info for Steam Era Freight Car fans. First
up is a 25 page article on B&O Wagon-Top Box Cars by Pat Wider (39 B&W

photos, 4 diagrams and a table). Next is an 18 page article on

Pullman-Standard Compartmentizers also by Pat Wider (38 B&W photos plus a

diagram and a table). Part 5 of the A.A.R. Twin Offset-Side Hoppers series

by Ed Hawkins contains coverage of Midwestern coal hauling roads with 33 B&W

hopper photos. There is also an addendum to the previous Express Reefer

article and an article on EMD F3 Phase IV diesels. Another great issue!

Brian Rochon
Silver Spring, MD >>


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9

Joel Norman <mec-bml@...>
 

WERE DO WE GET THIS PUBLICATION???????
JOEL NORMAN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Rochon" <berochon@msn.com>
To: "SteamFreightcarsList" <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #9


RP Cyc #9 came today. Lots of info for Steam Era Freight Car fans. First
up is a 25 page article on B&O Wagon-Top Box Cars by Pat Wider (39 B&W
photos, 4 diagrams and a table). Next is an 18 page article on
Pullman-Standard Compartmentizers also by Pat Wider (38 B&W photos plus a
diagram and a table). Part 5 of the A.A.R. Twin Offset-Side Hoppers series
by Ed Hawkins contains coverage of Midwestern coal hauling roads with 33 B&W
hopper photos. There is also an addendum to the previous Express Reefer
article and an article on EMD F3 Phase IV diesels. Another great issue!

Brian Rochon
Silver Spring, MD






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Re: AC&F tank "types" was ACF's market share

Tim O'Connor
 

Actually Bruce, only P2K nailed the underframe. Intermountain's
is very screwed up.

Another thing...I looked through the WHOLE book waiting for a tank car
to be identified as "Type 21" or "Type 27" and then, at the very end,
Ed explains that the "Type" only applied to the FRAMES and not the
car...another myth shattered. Of course, it makes sense when you read
the captions...80xx gallon, 80yy gallons, yada yada yada...So
basically, the whole LL/IM thing is correct, but only insofar as the
designation is applied to the frame and not the tank.

Befuddled as always
Bruce

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