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Re: RPC Question

Joe Binish <joebinish@...>
 

Actually it is #6


Re: RPC Question

Stephen Foster <Wabash57@...>
 

Try taking the ones you can find and put them in numerical order. The one
missing number should be the 'blue' one!


Stephen
"Keep your rails shiny!"

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Subject: [STMFC] RPC Question
I just got RPC 9 in the mail yesterday, very nice. I would like to fill
in
my collection, however, one of mine is missing, someplace in the house.
Which RPC had a blue cover? I'd like to know so I don't buy the same one
twice.
Brian J Carlson
Cheektowaga NY


1944 Composite Box Car

golden1014
 

Guys,

Did any railroads take delivery of a 1944 box car with
composite sides? I read in the 1944 SAL Annual Report
the other day that Seaboard originally ordered their
B-8 class cars as composite cars, but the WPB later
allowed them to amend the order to make them all-steel
cars. Could the "war emergency" box cars been based on
the 1944 design? Just curious...

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

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Re: Detail website/book

thompson@...
 

Here are my notes for John's articles on freight car ends:
MM 2/1987 pp.40-44 (John Nehrich) more bizarre ends
including VAN DORN/various FLAT ENDS/various types...
My recollection is that these were fairly anecdotal, like John's
summaries of architectural history. I'd agree with Richard's comment: we
really need to have a modern, complete, specific presentation. Maybe Ed
Hawkins will throw it together for the RP Cyc--or Guy Wilber could
certainly do it.

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Re: Detail website/book

Tim O'Connor
 

Here are my notes for John's articles on freight car ends:

MM 2/1987 pp.40-44 (John Nehrich) more bizarre ends
including VAN DORN/various FLAT ENDS/various types
of builtup ends/reverse DREADNAUGHT/early HUTCHINS
late HUTCHINS/HUTCHINS-BUCKEYE/DECO

MM 12/1986 pp.67-71 John Nehrich study of MURPHY ends
of the 1910's and 1920's, concentrates on cavitated
or reverse ends on boxcars, gondolas, stockcars --
includes one photo of VERTICAL ribbed ends

MM 1/1986 pp.32-35 John Nehrich photo study of the
"reverse Murphy" style ends, including a gondola
and hopper. Photos NYC/NKP/MP/LV/RDG/CB&Q/AT&SF

MM 12/1985 pp.26-30 John Nehrich photo study with
Hutchins, Vulcan, and Murphy ends 1920's-1930's
-- notable photo of Vulcan end w/ vertical ribs

MM 5/1983 pp.42-47 John Nehrich article basically
about "dreadnaught" ends (from STANDARD RAILWAY
EQUIPMENT), photos, drawings of W-section corner
post, model photos, plus PS and Youngstown ends

Yeah, but John's work on this is somewhat crude and incomplete and AFAIK
isn't all available in one place, aside from the fact that it doesn't
include references to models and model parts. John could certainly do a
proper job of it if he wished, as could numerous subscribers to this list.
Maybe we should see whose arm we can twist at Naperville.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Train Shed Cyclopedia

Tim O'Connor
 

I bought all 90 issues over twenty-five years ago, when I was
low-bucking it and despaired of ever being able to afford original
cyclopedias. For what I paid for 90 issues, I could have bought two
original car builders cycs at the time, or one at today's prices and had
some change left over.

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE

But to get the same content Ron, you'd have had to buy several other
books like Railway Mechanical Engineer, and Locomotive Cyclopedias,
just to name two. I think the Gregg books are great and were a
bargain at $5 each. I agree $15 is a bit steep for most of them.


Re: Really Old ATSF "Wr H" Class Tank Car

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon, I think you are right that it was a Tk-H. All my photos
show that Santa Fe kept the car class number but changed the
first letter to a W. So flat cars went from Ft to Wt, tank cars
from Tk to Wk, and box cars from Bx to Wx. Santa Fe had some
really interesting work equipment. I have a fair number of
photos of them (from the 60's) thanks to my father's collection.


Jon Miller wrote

Not real good at spotting but it might be a Tk-J or Tk-H (page
181/182/183 of the work cars book). As the subject says Wr-H I'm guessing a
Tk-H. When they took it out of interchange (if it ever was) they just
changed the Tk to Wr.


Re: Train Shed Cyclopedia

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ron Bonham wrote:
"I'm sure Ben means the _original_ cover price, usually $4.50-$5.50,
_NOT_ the $15.75 or whatever it is Walthers is asking for them now!"

That's exactly what I meant.

"I bought all 90 issues over twenty-five years ago, when I was
low-bucking it and despaired of ever being able to afford original
cyclopedias. For what I paid for 90 issues, I could have bought two
original car builders cycs at the time, or one at today's prices and had
some change left over."

I wouldn't buy all 90 issues - some of the sections reprinted are really
esoteric. Do we really need operating rules from 1840? Stick with the
sections that make sense...


Ben Hom


Re: Detail website/book

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jeff Aley writes, with regard to freight car details (roofs, doors, ends,
etc.

Hasn't this been done by John Nehrich? I believe his "NEB&W
Guide..." includes several (crude) sketches and photos that adequately
illustrate the differences in ends.

I think he also included some of this info (and info on doors,
etc.) in one of his MR articles.

The only piece that's really missing is a current listing of HO
examples of same (though we're all bound to argue about whether or not a
given end or door is "correct").
Yeah, but John's work on this is somewhat crude and incomplete and AFAIK
isn't all available in one place, aside from the fact that it doesn't
include references to models and model parts. John could certainly do a
proper job of it if he wished, as could numerous subscribers to this list.
Maybe we should see whose arm we can twist at Naperville.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Really Old ATSF "Wr H" Class Tank Car

Richard Hendrickson
 

List,

Can anyone guess the origin of this car?

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf189817dgs.jpg

The double-safeties-on-one-yoke setup tells me it's
fairly old, but that underframe looks home-built!
No need to guess, Shawn. The Santa Fe freight car fleet is well
documented. This is a former Tk-H class car of which 298 were built by
AC&F in 1910 and numbered 96603-96900. They were intended primarily for
steam locomotive fuel service until after WW II, when many were reassigned
to MW service (domestic water, lubricants, etc.) and renumbered. The
underframe is original, and was used on all cars of classes Tk-G through
Tk-J; a slightly shorter version was also retro-fitted by AC&F on the cars
of classes Tk-C through Tk-F, which originally had wood underframes. Aside
from AB brakes replacing the original KC equipment and a gray MW paint job,
ATSF 189817 was exactly as delivered except for those ASF A-3 roller
bearing trucks, the first example I've ever seen of roller bearing trucks
on an early 20th c. ATSF tank car. The original trucks were L-section
Andrews.

For more information, see the forthcoming book on ATSF tank cars which will
be published next year by the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling
Society.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Tennessee Coal and Iron

Larry Smith
 

James

I worked at the Bessemer plant when it was Pullman. I found equipemnt
in the plant that dated back to before the turn of the century, 20th
that is. I remeber a Buffalo forge being used that had been eletrified
and the plate on it said 1890. Wonder where that came from?

Larry Smith

James D Thompson wrote:

It is my understanding that the Pullman facility in Bessemer was once a
TCI property but I will chack on this.

TCI's carbuilding effort started out with a plant in Fairfield that did
business as Chicasaw Shipbuilding beginning in 1921, assumed the TCI name
around 1924, and sold the plant to Pullman in 1929. Pullman ran it for a
few years before opening its new Bessemer plant in 1934.

David Thompson




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Re: Tennessee Coal and Iron

Larry Smith
 

Now my next project is to find out about the Fairfield Car Works.

Larry Smith

thompson@... wrote:

Larry Smith said:


The company was originally founded as the Sewanee Mining Company in 1852...
TCI was itself bought out
in 1907 by US Steel, but continued to operate as seperate company within
the US Steel family until 1954 when it became TCI Division of US Steel.

I looked back at the info I had on the SP purchase of GS gondolas from
TCI&RR in 1925. The SP clearly indicated US Steel as the parent of TCI&RR,
at that time building at the "Fairfield Car Works."
There were a number of wholly owned USS subsidiaries which continued
under their old names for years--what this meant in management terms I
don't know, but I'd guess it meant little. Whether that applies to TCI&RR
in particular, I don't know either.

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Re: Tennessee Coal and Iron

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

It is my understanding that the Pullman facility in Bessemer was once a
TCI property but I will chack on this.
TCI's carbuilding effort started out with a plant in Fairfield that did
business as Chicasaw Shipbuilding beginning in 1921, assumed the TCI name
around 1924, and sold the plant to Pullman in 1929. Pullman ran it for a
few years before opening its new Bessemer plant in 1934.

David Thompson


Re: Tennessee Coal and Iron

thompson@...
 

Larry Smith said:
The company was originally founded as the Sewanee Mining Company in 1852...
TCI was itself bought out
in 1907 by US Steel, but continued to operate as seperate company within
the US Steel family until 1954 when it became TCI Division of US Steel.
I looked back at the info I had on the SP purchase of GS gondolas from
TCI&RR in 1925. The SP clearly indicated US Steel as the parent of TCI&RR,
at that time building at the "Fairfield Car Works."
There were a number of wholly owned USS subsidiaries which continued
under their old names for years--what this meant in management terms I
don't know, but I'd guess it meant little. Whether that applies to TCI&RR
in particular, I don't know either.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Jerry Hamsmith Decals?

Robert Gross
 

In the Sept 2003 Railmodel Journal, there is an article that features
40 and 50-ft express box cars. The article indicates that many of
these cars will require decals from a Jerry Hamsmith. Does anyone
know howe I can get a hold of this person? Has anyone used his decals
before? Are they good quality? Please advise.

Rob Gross


ADMIN: Have you been missing messages?

jaley <jaley@...>
 

All,

Gene Green's recent message (on AAR boxcar underframes) included
text of a message that Richard Hendrickson sent -- a message that I had
never seen!

The reason I didn't see it is that my account had been "bouncing",
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT. It turns out that I missed out on 31 messages (from
various lists) last week.

If you suspect you've been missing messages, here's how to find
out:

Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs

You'll probably be asked for your yahoogroups password. If you don't have
it, you probably won't be able to proceed.

Next to your email address(es) there will be a link labeled "Bounce
History". Click there and it will tell you how much you've been missing.

It will not, unfortunately, tell you which messages you've missed, so
you'll have to wade through the online archives to see if there's been
anything new.


I hope that this info is of help to others who have been wondering
about "mystery messages".

Regards,

-Jeff

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Thanks! RE: Published PS-5 gondola plans

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

Jim and Richard

There was an article on the Pullman-Standard PS-5 gondolas by James
Kinkaid
that was published in RailModel Journal, September 1999. It does
not contain
any plans, but does contain over 20 prototype photos and a detailed
roster of
the roads that had these cars.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

Try Mainline Modeler, January, 1986 (welded) or October, 1993
(riveted).

Richard Dermody
Thanks, I knew of the first article (tied with the MicroTrains
release, a good article on the cars with tons of photos as pointed
out) but did not know of the plans.

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: Train Shed Cyclopedia

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Mike Boone asked:
There are 70+ Train Shed Cyclopedia for sale on Ebay. Are these
useful references?

The answer is yes, provided that you know there are pitfalls to using
the Cycs.
[Snip}


Still, for schmoes like me who can't afford a library of original
cycs , they're not a bad bargain. One word of advice - avoid eBay
auction frenzy and don't pay more than cover price for them. The
Greggs seriously overestimated demand for these. As a result, the
print runs are huge, and these are readily available on the market.
I'm sure Ben means the _original_ cover price, usually $4.50-$5.50, _NOT_ the $15.75 or whatever it is Walthers is asking for them now! As reference material they will do, if the thing you wish to look up is part of one of the volumes; the index for Train Sheds only goes to issue #42. The sections Gregg chose to include vary widely in their usefulness for modelbuilding. If you have an old hobby shop (i. e., long-time shop, original owner) in your area, you may find these on the shelf at original prices.

I bought all 90 issues over twenty-five years ago, when I was low-bucking it and despaired of ever being able to afford original cyclopedias. For what I paid for 90 issues, I could have bought two original car builders cycs at the time, or one at today's prices and had some change left over.

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE


Re: Really Old ATSF "Wr H" Class Tank Car

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Shawn,
Not real good at spotting but it might be a Tk-J or Tk-H (page
181/182/183 of the work cars book). As the subject says Wr-H I'm guessing a
Tk-H. When they took it out of interchange (if it ever was) they just
changed the Tk to Wr.
When the tank car book gets done we will probably have much more
information about these tanks.


Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


PFE Diagram Books

Dick Harley <Dick.Harley@...>
 

I am considering printing some copies of the two PFE Diagram sets I have,
and taking them to Naperville for sale. The 1951 set has ice cars from the
rebuilt R-30-2-13 and new R-30-5 wood cars up to the R-40-25 steel cars.
The 1972 set has steel ice and mechanical reefers as well as some trailers
and flat cars.

Contents of the 1951 set has just been uploaded to the "Files" area. The
1972 set hasn't been created yet, according to this group.

If you are going to Naperville and want a set, please contact me off list so
I know how many to take. Pricing is $10.00 each or $15.00 for the pair.

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