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Re: AC&F paint samples

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
Any particular paper brand you recommend Mont? I use solvent paints
mostly, so some decal papers might not like that so much...

I've had good results with Champ's decal paper, which stands up fine
with Floquil. Normally, I'll take scraps left over from the last
decaling project, shoot them the same time I paint a model, and save
them to use after weathering or as contrasting patches for a
different model. I also used this method using larger pieces of
decal paper to represent repaired panels on a weathered NYC USRA
hopper to match a photo in the NYC Color Guide.


Ben Hom


Re: [PRR-Modeling] Bowser - as I see it......

Andrew S. Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Thank you Bill; and I suspect Lee English thanks you too! IMHO Bowser does an excellent job at building
shake-the-box kits and has chosen PRR prototypes, much to our good fortune. Since they are molded in
styrene and have the high up front cost, he must appeal to a mass market. That precludes doing a
Westerfield caliber product. Since much of what he does are signature PRR cars, he is constrained as to
what roads he can legitimately paint on the bodies. Notice that Branchline has kept to widely used bodies
styles, and IM and RC don't seem to care, and will paint a car for anything.

Despite all of theses hardships, Bowser has brought us X31s, X32s, GSs, F30s, H21s, and numerous cabin
cars. These are far more than stand-ins. These are PRR prototypes. And for those desiring better
detailed models, they are an excellent and inexpensive starting point.

I only wish Lee would consider the world of passenger cars. Seventh heaven is populated with injection
molded MP54s ;-) - prototype "shorty" which, in its non motorized version, could be legitimately
painted for at least 8 roads.

Regards,

Andrew S. Miller

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Bill Lane wrote:

Hi Guys,

Once again, what we have here is one person's early account of the detail
quality of a new Bowser project (N8), and everyone is already disappointed.
It may very well be 100% correct. Yes there is always room for improvement
on ANY model project. You HO guys are missing the point. Look at your
layouts or model stash and remove all the Bowser items from it. What do you
have left? Almost nothing! At least they are coming out with new cars at a
reasonable rate. They are American made from what I know about them. The PRR
projects that Bowser has released have probably kept them in business.

Now for the question you all know is coming. Are all of the Bowser products
you all love to complain about NOT better then NOTHING? I seriously doubt
it. Bowser does not HAVE to do any of them!

As an S Scaler, I take every new piece released as a GIFT, because that it
what it is. It is someone putting up $50,000.00+ and letting me play with
it.

Let Bowser release some of the PRR cars in S Scale. I may have some of the
same concerns as you, buy will still buy the hell out of them because my
days of buying massive amounts of brass cars are about over.

Besides, if Bowser would release something in S Scale, they would probably
do a better job because S Scale is the perfect size for detail. (:->)

Sorry, but I had to do that!

Thanks
Bill


Re: Bowser - as I see it......

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm quite happy with the Bowser ACF covered hoppers. The
undecorated ones, that is. Most of the paint and lettering
jobs are simply terrible.

I have a couple X31's because there is no alternative in
plastic. Yet. Undecs only of course.

The F30A is passable. But the GS, well, Richard said all
there was to say about that.


Re: Bowser - as I see it......

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Lane wrote:
"Once again, what we have here is one person's early account of the
detail
quality of a new Bowser project (N8), and everyone is already
disappointed.
It may very well be 100% correct. Yes there is always room for
improvement
on ANY model project."

OK, Bill, riddle me this: WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET SOMETHING RIGHT
THE FIRST TIME?

I'm not talking about vent hole variations on the Class K9 stock car
or anything like that - I'm talking about things as fundamental as
getting the lettering right on the Class X31 boxcars. It's not like
there's a lack of resources out there for things Pennsy, and for
God's sake, the company's in Pennsylvania!

Bowser is to be commended for doing their line of kits, and I'm
certainly happy to have them; however, you're always going to be
judged by your track record, and if you're going to charge Kadee
prices for a piece of rolling stock, you better damn well have Kadee
quality.


Ben Hom


Re: AC&F paint samples

Tim O'Connor
 

Any particular paper brand you recommend Mont? I use solvent paints
mostly, so some decal papers might not like that so much...

At 08:39 AM 10/14/2003, you wrote:
Tim: This is probably old news, but the next time that you are
painting a model air brush a piece of decal paper. You will eventually
have a nice selection of colors for use as Bruce as described. Mont
Switzer


Re: AC&F paint samples

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 03:57 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


What a great idea Bruce! I wish you had printed extras. I would
happily pay $5 for a sheet of decal colors like that. Microscale
charges $2.50 and all you get is one color!

Another good choice would be a set of reefer color strips, from
pale yellow up thru "reefer" orange.
And since I model a specific date, June 1944, a sheet of reweigh
stencils with dates from to 1-42 to 6-44 would be REAL handy. Micro
Mark does sell WHITE decal paper and I just ran a test that shows if
you take my WORD file and add white text over the AC&F colors that it
creates a color "hole" where the white shows through. I may need to
run off another sheet with my reweigh dates <VBG!>

BTW, Micro Mark sells both ink-jet and laser decal paper in both clear
and white.

Anyone have any suggestions on "font" and size? (I just noticed one
called "Stencil" on my new G5...)

Happy Rails
Bruce
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Re: AC&F paint samples

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Tim: This is probably old news, but the next time that you are
painting a model air brush a piece of decal paper. You will eventually
have a nice selection of colors for use as Bruce as described. Mont
Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] AC&F paint samples


What a great idea Bruce! I wish you had printed extras. I would
happily pay $5 for a sheet of decal colors like that. Microscale
charges $2.50 and all you get is one color!

Another good choice would be a set of reefer color strips, from
pale yellow up thru "reefer" orange.


I pasted the scan into a WORD document, enlarged it to fit a page, ran
down to my local Speedy Print Shop and had them print it on their color
laser onto Micro Mark laser decal paper. They charged $2.15 and
required proof that the decal was for laser copiers (fortunately, I
kept the label). I now have an 8x10 sheet of reweigh paint swatches in
a variety of boxcar reds that I can "match" to a variety of different
body colors (match being a relative term, since a perfect match would
be kinda, well invisible...). BTW, the laser came out much lighter and
redder than my 4000 dpi photo ink jet...

Happy Rails
Bruce


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Re: Bowser - as I see it......

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I have hardly ANY Bowser product.
--
Brian Ehni

From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>
Look at your
layouts or model stash and remove all the Bowser items from it. What do you
have left? Almost nothing!


Bowser - as I see it......

Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

Hi Guys,

Once again, what we have here is one person's early account of the detail
quality of a new Bowser project (N8), and everyone is already disappointed.
It may very well be 100% correct. Yes there is always room for improvement
on ANY model project. You HO guys are missing the point. Look at your
layouts or model stash and remove all the Bowser items from it. What do you
have left? Almost nothing! At least they are coming out with new cars at a
reasonable rate. They are American made from what I know about them. The PRR
projects that Bowser has released have probably kept them in business.

Now for the question you all know is coming. Are all of the Bowser products
you all love to complain about NOT better then NOTHING? I seriously doubt
it. Bowser does not HAVE to do any of them!

As an S Scaler, I take every new piece released as a GIFT, because that it
what it is. It is someone putting up $50,000.00+ and letting me play with
it.

Let Bowser release some of the PRR cars in S Scale. I may have some of the
same concerns as you, buy will still buy the hell out of them because my
days of buying massive amounts of brass cars are about over.

Besides, if Bowser would release something in S Scale, they would probably
do a better job because S Scale is the perfect size for detail. (:->)

Sorry, but I had to do that!

Thanks
Bill


Re: Freight Car Photos

KACHINainc@...
 

Bill Raia -- I lost your e-mail address. Please contact me offline.
Dean Hale


Re: 1944 Composite Box Car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Guys,

Did any railroads take delivery of a 1944 box car with
composite sides? I read in the 1944 SAL Annual Report
the other day that Seaboard originally ordered their
B-8 class cars as composite cars, but the WPB later
allowed them to amend the order to make them all-steel
cars. Could the "war emergency" box cars been based on
the 1944 design? Just curious...

John Golden
No, the "war emergency" box cars were based on either the 1937 or 1941 AAR
designs, depending on their interior height. AFAIK there were no composite
versions of the 1944 design with Improved Dreadnaught ends.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: RPC Question

Joe Binish <joebinish@...>
 

Actually it is #6


Re: RPC Question

Stephen Foster <Wabash57@...>
 

Try taking the ones you can find and put them in numerical order. The one
missing number should be the 'blue' one!


Stephen
"Keep your rails shiny!"

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Subject: [STMFC] RPC Question
I just got RPC 9 in the mail yesterday, very nice. I would like to fill
in
my collection, however, one of mine is missing, someplace in the house.
Which RPC had a blue cover? I'd like to know so I don't buy the same one
twice.
Brian J Carlson
Cheektowaga NY


1944 Composite Box Car

golden1014
 

Guys,

Did any railroads take delivery of a 1944 box car with
composite sides? I read in the 1944 SAL Annual Report
the other day that Seaboard originally ordered their
B-8 class cars as composite cars, but the WPB later
allowed them to amend the order to make them all-steel
cars. Could the "war emergency" box cars been based on
the 1944 design? Just curious...

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

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Re: Detail website/book

thompson@...
 

Here are my notes for John's articles on freight car ends:
MM 2/1987 pp.40-44 (John Nehrich) more bizarre ends
including VAN DORN/various FLAT ENDS/various types...
My recollection is that these were fairly anecdotal, like John's
summaries of architectural history. I'd agree with Richard's comment: we
really need to have a modern, complete, specific presentation. Maybe Ed
Hawkins will throw it together for the RP Cyc--or Guy Wilber could
certainly do it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Detail website/book

Tim O'Connor
 

Here are my notes for John's articles on freight car ends:

MM 2/1987 pp.40-44 (John Nehrich) more bizarre ends
including VAN DORN/various FLAT ENDS/various types
of builtup ends/reverse DREADNAUGHT/early HUTCHINS
late HUTCHINS/HUTCHINS-BUCKEYE/DECO

MM 12/1986 pp.67-71 John Nehrich study of MURPHY ends
of the 1910's and 1920's, concentrates on cavitated
or reverse ends on boxcars, gondolas, stockcars --
includes one photo of VERTICAL ribbed ends

MM 1/1986 pp.32-35 John Nehrich photo study of the
"reverse Murphy" style ends, including a gondola
and hopper. Photos NYC/NKP/MP/LV/RDG/CB&Q/AT&SF

MM 12/1985 pp.26-30 John Nehrich photo study with
Hutchins, Vulcan, and Murphy ends 1920's-1930's
-- notable photo of Vulcan end w/ vertical ribs

MM 5/1983 pp.42-47 John Nehrich article basically
about "dreadnaught" ends (from STANDARD RAILWAY
EQUIPMENT), photos, drawings of W-section corner
post, model photos, plus PS and Youngstown ends

Yeah, but John's work on this is somewhat crude and incomplete and AFAIK
isn't all available in one place, aside from the fact that it doesn't
include references to models and model parts. John could certainly do a
proper job of it if he wished, as could numerous subscribers to this list.
Maybe we should see whose arm we can twist at Naperville.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Train Shed Cyclopedia

Tim O'Connor
 

I bought all 90 issues over twenty-five years ago, when I was
low-bucking it and despaired of ever being able to afford original
cyclopedias. For what I paid for 90 issues, I could have bought two
original car builders cycs at the time, or one at today's prices and had
some change left over.

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE

But to get the same content Ron, you'd have had to buy several other
books like Railway Mechanical Engineer, and Locomotive Cyclopedias,
just to name two. I think the Gregg books are great and were a
bargain at $5 each. I agree $15 is a bit steep for most of them.


Re: Really Old ATSF "Wr H" Class Tank Car

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon, I think you are right that it was a Tk-H. All my photos
show that Santa Fe kept the car class number but changed the
first letter to a W. So flat cars went from Ft to Wt, tank cars
from Tk to Wk, and box cars from Bx to Wx. Santa Fe had some
really interesting work equipment. I have a fair number of
photos of them (from the 60's) thanks to my father's collection.


Jon Miller wrote

Not real good at spotting but it might be a Tk-J or Tk-H (page
181/182/183 of the work cars book). As the subject says Wr-H I'm guessing a
Tk-H. When they took it out of interchange (if it ever was) they just
changed the Tk to Wr.


Re: Train Shed Cyclopedia

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ron Bonham wrote:
"I'm sure Ben means the _original_ cover price, usually $4.50-$5.50,
_NOT_ the $15.75 or whatever it is Walthers is asking for them now!"

That's exactly what I meant.

"I bought all 90 issues over twenty-five years ago, when I was
low-bucking it and despaired of ever being able to afford original
cyclopedias. For what I paid for 90 issues, I could have bought two
original car builders cycs at the time, or one at today's prices and had
some change left over."

I wouldn't buy all 90 issues - some of the sections reprinted are really
esoteric. Do we really need operating rules from 1840? Stick with the
sections that make sense...


Ben Hom


Re: Detail website/book

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jeff Aley writes, with regard to freight car details (roofs, doors, ends,
etc.

Hasn't this been done by John Nehrich? I believe his "NEB&W
Guide..." includes several (crude) sketches and photos that adequately
illustrate the differences in ends.

I think he also included some of this info (and info on doors,
etc.) in one of his MR articles.

The only piece that's really missing is a current listing of HO
examples of same (though we're all bound to argue about whether or not a
given end or door is "correct").
Yeah, but John's work on this is somewhat crude and incomplete and AFAIK
isn't all available in one place, aside from the fact that it doesn't
include references to models and model parts. John could certainly do a
proper job of it if he wished, as could numerous subscribers to this list.
Maybe we should see whose arm we can twist at Naperville.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

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