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C&EI Caboose

Paul Hillman
 

Hello all,

I'm new to this group, (thank you all for being here!), but NOT new
to railroads and model-railroading and model-building. (About 40+
years now!)

I have a long-sought for question though, about a C&EI, (Chicago &
Eastern Illinois) caboose, that even the C&EI Historical Society
couldn't answer.

In the late 50's, early 60's, the C&EI, out of Dolton,Illinois, just
south of Chicago, ran their, "Clearing-freight", into north Chicago,
to the Clearing-Yard, daily.

The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?

I didn't ever photograph this caboose, but I did another C&EI caboose
which was cupola-less, and had a side-door, which was used on their
way-freight service. (I was 15 at the time.)

Actually the C&EI was using C&WI (Chicago & Western Indiana) trackage
from Chicago down south to Dolton, were the C&EI actually began.

Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


KC brake pictures or drawings

Manfred Lorenz
 

I like to ask this body of experienced freight car buffs for helping
me:
I am building a Sunshine NP boxcar which has a KC brake installation.
Now, to be as accurate as I could I like to know of any drawings or
pictures of general KC brake arrangements. Best would be the one-
sided layout the NP used. The instructions are not really good and
clear in this point.

Help in locating information is greatly appreciated.

Manfred Lorenz
Bonn, Germany


Re: SP USRA gon?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Soderblom wrote:
In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that
went to SP?
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg
Nope, that's an all-steel car. It appears to be Class G-50-2 from the uneven side panels and the ribbed end. See pages 70, 71 in the gondola book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: book - "North American Railyards"

Kert Peterson <kertp@...>
 

On 2/10/2004, Ed Mines asked:

Anyone familiar with said book published by Motor Books?
Ed,

My wife bought that book for me for Christmas. Excellent book on freight yard design and operation. It covers the major freight yards of each of the Class 1 railroads in the US and Canada, plus a handful of smaller ones, like the IHB. Great photos, and excellent trackplans of the yards.

Cheers,
Kert Peterson
Fircrest, WA
kertp@comcast.net


Re: C&NW boxcar stencil arrangement

John F. Campbell <jcampbel@...>
 

At 8:05 AM -0500 2/11/04, CBarkan@aol.com wrote:

I can't say that I have EVER seen a C&NW boxcar stenciled as is the one on
the top of the pile up in the photo at the URL below. Can any of the granger
road experts (or anyone else) tell us more about when and on what cars this
scheme was used?

Chris
================

This was common lettering on TOFC trailers during 1965 (and earlier)...
Both smooth sided & corrugated sided...

JFC


Re: B&LE questions

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 11:07 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

The first two photos are of gons. One is B&LE 36945, blt. 12/1942,
photographed ca. 10/1951. It is a 46'0" IL gon with 16 panel steel
sides, of irregular spacing and drop ends. The second is B&LE 19125,
blt. 5/1937, photographed ca. 5/1956. It is a 46'7" IL gon with 16
panel steel sides, of irregular spacing with fixed ends. Does anyone
know the builder(s) for these cars?

The third photo is of B&LE 91775, blt. 4/1941, photographed ca. 3/1960.
It looks to be a 1937 AAR box car with 7' doors. Anyone know the
builders for these cars?
Ted,
B&LE 91775 is from series 91501-91800, Class XM4, built by Greenville Steel Car Co. (O.O. 311). These were follow-on orders to 500 other cars built in 1940, series 91001-91500 (GSC O.O. 291). The 91501-91800 had Superior hand brakes, Apex running boards, Dreadnaught Ends, Murphy roof, and Creco doors (7-panel). They appear much like 1937 AAR box cars except that the door openings were 7'-3". By the way, don't say "7' doors" or else you'll have the wrath of Jeff Koeller upon you (remember Jeff's Naperville presentation?).

The #36945 came from series 36801-37000 built by Pressed Steel Car Co. 12-42. There is a builder's photo in the National Archives of Canada Merrilees Collection (car #36976). The #19125 may have been renumbered from the original 36001-36500 series, built by GSC (O.O. 245) in 1937. The 36001-36500 series had irregularly spaced 16-panel sides but had drop ends. Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx series for B&LE, nor does the 4/57 ORER. I don't have any 1956 ORERs that are handy to check. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SP USRA gon?

Tim O'Connor
 

Nope.

In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that
went to SP?

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg

Dave Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,

I ran the photo through Photo Shop and cleaned it up(actually let the computer do most of the work) and the it makes a world of difference. It is not clear to me why the difference on the color of the roof on the X29(and yes there is more than one) but I believe that is light reflection. Actually an interesting shot. IF you have a program like that you might consider a fix.

Greg Martin


Re: B&LE questions

Jim Wolf
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx series
for B&LE, nor does the 4/57 ORER. I don't have any 1956 ORERs that
are handy to check. Hope this helps.
My 7/56 ORER does not list a 19000 series for the B&LE either.

Jim Wolf


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Tim O'Connor
 

The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29
(or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195.
Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized
steel roof on the Pennsy car?
First of all, I believe X29 roofs were galvanized. And also
painted. Second of all, the color on the roof can also be
seen on the pipe loads, and on several other box car roofs
in the same photo. Looks like reflected light to me.

Some re-roofed NYC 1920's box cars did receive unpainted
galvanized roofs. I recall seeing a fine color photo of a
NKP train rounding a curve in RMJ (?) that showed this.

Tim "the BB" O.


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
Ben, at least two and maybe three of those four cabooses are steel
cars, probably C-40-3.

Oh well - I was fishing for excuses to buy a couple to go with the SP
power in the collection...


Ben Hom


SP USRA gon?

David Soderblom
 

Tony T:

In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that went to SP?

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg

Dave Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Norm Larkin wrote:
Not that familiar with the roof of the X29, but my first reaction was that
it looked very wet. Looking between the tracks, there is a long puddle, and
it appears to be raining hard. That may partially explain the gray-day
quality of the photo.
Very sharp eyes, Norm. I think you may be right about the rain. That flat roof sure is reflective.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Andy Miller wrote:
Isn't a "freshly painted X29" an oxymoron? ;-)

Strange but true! My personal favorites are photos of freshly
painted cars in SK schemes which show every ding and scratch in the
car side.


Ben Hom


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Not that familiar with the roof of the X29, but my first reaction was that
it looked very wet. Looking between the tracks, there is a long puddle, and
it appears to be raining hard. That may partially explain the gray-day
quality of the photo.
Regards,
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@speedwitch.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color



On Feb 11, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

While browsing the Los Angeles Public Library's online
photo collection, I came across this image of Southern
Pacific's Taylor Yard, allegedly taken in 1951:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047617.jpg

The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29
(or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195.
Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized
steel roof on the Pennsy car? Did any PRR cars get such
a roof in their later years?
Shawn:

It looks like the lighting to me. I can't tell you how many times I've
stopped short looking at something only to gather my wits (before you
sharks smell blood in the water, I do have a small quantity, thank you)
and realize that it is lighting or some other anomaly that is playing
tricks.

Ted Culotta




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Re: B&LE Questions

Shawn Beckert
 

Ted,

I think Standard Steel Car built some gons for the B&LE.
Keith Retterer's catalog has a lot of B&LE stuff in it.
I'll look tonight and see what's actually listed.

Shawn Beckert


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ben Hom sez:
BTW, I count at least three X29s in the photo - one coupled to a Rock
Island Pratt truss SS boxcar three tracks over, and one more behind
that cut of pile flats. And check out the subtle hint in the
background for the HO scale SP modeler to buy a bunch of Walthers
Class C-30-1 cabooses!
Ben, at least two and maybe three of those four cabooses are steel cars, probably C-40-3.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Shawn Beckert reports:
While browsing the Los Angeles Public Library's online
photo collection, I came across this image of Southern
Pacific's Taylor Yard, allegedly taken in 1951:
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047617.jpg
The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29
(or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195.
Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized
steel roof on the Pennsy car? Did any PRR cars get such
a roof in their later years?
I'd bet it's the lighting. You see this often in overhead shots where flat surfaces catch the light. But I'd defer to the PRR experts out there.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


B&LE questions

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I have some B&LE photos that have prompted questions that I want to ask.

The first two photos are of gons. One is B&LE 36945, blt. 12/1942, photographed ca. 10/1951. It is a 46'0" IL gon with 16 panel steel sides, of irregular spacing and drop ends. The second is B&LE 19125, blt. 5/1937, photographed ca. 5/1956. It is a 46'7" IL gon with 16 panel steel sides, of irregular spacing with fixed ends. Does anyone know the builder(s) for these cars?

The third photo is of B&LE 91775, blt. 4/1941, photographed ca. 3/1960. It looks to be a 1937 AAR box car with 7' doors. Anyone know the builders for these cars?

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Andrew S. Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Isn't a "freshly painted X29" an oxymoron? ;-)

regards,
Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom [mailto:b.hom@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:52 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color


As I was trying (in vain) to clear out my e-mail backlog, Shawn
Beckert wrote:
The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29
(or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195.
Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized
steel roof on the Pennsy car?

First, it's an X29. Even with the poor quality of the photo, you can
see it's a five digit car number, which automatically disqualfies it
being a Class X28A boxcar.

I seriously doubt that it's a galvanized roof - if it is, it's the
only one I've ever seen (and I've been looking at a LOT of X29 photos
lately as the deadline for next month's TKM gets closer.) I believe
what we're looking at is a trick of light off the roof of a freshly
repainted boxcar with a flat roof.

Of course, if you want a conversation starter, you can always do a
model with a galvanized roof...


Ben Hom



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