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Re: 2 more H30 photos

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Is that the Alan Wood design running boards on the H30's?

Chet French
Dixon, IL

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Bill Lane

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Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957


Re: Monon Question

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Scott:

The running boards were steel. The car kit you have is pretty good as
is, just assemble it. There was an article in MR Paint Shop several
years ago using an undec InterMountain car. The article describes a few
very minor changes. Hope this helps.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott A. Reed [mailto:lildiggr@cooketech.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Monon Question

I have just a couple of Qs? about a Monon PS-1 40 foot Boxcar...... and
I know there are a few Monon Experts on the list VBG!!
I have an HO Scale Intermountain car painted for the Monon Historical
Society in the Hoosier Line Scheme
Reporting marks are MON 893 New 4-57
First Q? Metal or Wood Roofwalk, my box had both inside........
What is "wrong" with this particular IM car and where can improvements
be made to make it more accurate?
Thanks,
Scott A. Reed









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Re: 2 more H30 photos

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Chris Barkan asked:
Is that a PRR XL behind the car on the right?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/2_H30_OH.jpg

It most certainly is, though it probably doesn't have much more time
left in revenue service if it's in the shops in April 1936. The car
has the post-1909 metal sheathed roof and fully updated safety
appliances, and it's still in the previous PRR freight car scheme
which lacked the circle keystone monogram (McGuire designation NK4).

Note also that Class X26 boxcar in the background still has its
original roof - maybe it's in the shops at this date to receive a new
Hutchins roof.


Ben Hom


Latest Vern Wigfield shots from Jim Sands

Thomas Baker
 

Clark posted two shots of DM&IR box cars from the Vern Wigfield
collection. Very interesting stuff Vern photographed. One shot from the
latest Jim Sands posting really resonated. There before me was a GN
heavyweight combine at the end of a freight train.

He shot the car at Wayzata, Minnesota, a western suburb of Minneapolis.
The car is very likely the combine for the Minneapolis to Hutchinson,
Minnesota mixed. That mixed was a fascinating operation, something
someone should write about at some point. I believe it hung on until some
time in the Sixties. The train picked up and set out at every town along
the sixty mile route. As for freight cars, one would have seen a variety,
naturally quite a few GN cars.

Perhaps someone on the list knows about this operation and has shots of
some of the freight cars. If so, it might be someting worth posting.

Tom


DM&IR box cars

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Re: 2 more H30 photos

CBarkan@...
 

Is that a PRR XL behind the car on the right?

Chris

In a message dated 2/12/04 10:19:31 PM, billlane@comcast.net writes:

<< http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/2_H30_OH.jpg

Thank You,
Bill Lane
>>


Monon Question

Scott A. Reed <lildiggr@...>
 

I have just a couple of Qs? about a Monon PS-1 40 foot Boxcar...... and I know there are a few Monon Experts on the list VBG!!
I have an HO Scale Intermountain car painted for the Monon Historical Society in the Hoosier Line Scheme
Reporting marks are MON 893 New 4-57
First Q? Metal or Wood Roofwalk, my box had both inside........
What is "wrong" with this particular IM car and where can improvements be made to make it more accurate?
Thanks,
Scott A. Reed


Re: Trix Double Door, 40' box car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Richard, Mike and Tim, Thanks for the info on the car one follow-up question. In 1957 would class A-50-19 still be hauling Auto's or Autoparts? If not, is it possible these cars may have hauled lumber?

Finally, who makes the correct decals for this car? Ok I guess that is 3 questions.

Brian J Carlson
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trix Double Door, 40' box car


> Brian J Carlson writes:
>
>
> "My dealer recently got in a selection of Trix freight cars. In the mix
>was a
> 40' double door car. Does anyone know the prototype for this model, and how
> well does the model match the prototype."

To which Mike Brock replies:

It is apparently a reasonable model of a UP A-50-16 although lettered for
an A-50-19.

Exactly. It's actually a very good model of an A-50-16 built in 1940,
complete with ACR rivets on the sides, but the Germans screwed up (as
usual) and lettered it as an A-50-19. Sandblast, repaint oxide red,
reletter, and voila! It could also be used to model some other 40' double
door automobile box cars of similar vintage by scraping off the ACR rivets
- e.g., Southern and Norfolk Southern had 'em with round-cornered 4/5 ends
like those on the UP cars, as did Pere Marquette (later C&O) with wider
doors.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520



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2 more H30 photos

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Re: NKP/MDT reefer

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I have seen this decal and also an older Athearn car with a similar scheme showing a white MDT M4(wood car) with NKP leasing marks. I have never
seen a photo to verify this either.

However, NKP did buy a series of 400 of these cars from MDT new in the 1920s that were numbered NKP 60000-60399; at least two of these were converted to milk service later in their careers, NKP 700-701

So if you want to be safe, you put an MDT reefer on your layout and letter it for NKP. I do not know the proper paint scheme for NKP cars, perhaps that is mentioned in the article you referenced.

Roger Hinman

On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 08:02 PM, enobiko wrote:

Walthers has a decal set for the NKP/MDT reefer, part #72440. Any
photos of this car? The description says "white", does that mean
white reefer or white lettering? I have the NKP Historical magazine
Spring 2000 issue that covers the NKP reefers, but no photo of the
MDT reefers there. The only MDT reefers I turn up are NYC, which I
would prefer not to have on my NKP layout.
Dean Payne




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NKP/MDT reefer

enobiko <deanpayne@...>
 

Walthers has a decal set for the NKP/MDT reefer, part #72440. Any
photos of this car? The description says "white", does that mean
white reefer or white lettering? I have the NKP Historical magazine
Spring 2000 issue that covers the NKP reefers, but no photo of the
MDT reefers there. The only MDT reefers I turn up are NYC, which I
would prefer not to have on my NKP layout.
Dean Payne


H30a

Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

Hi All,

It has been a while since I had a Builders Photo giveaway. So, download and
print! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/H30A_OH.jpg

Thank You,
Bill Lane

http://www.lanestrains.com
http://www.pennsysmodels.com
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957


Re: C&EI Caboose

Jim Ogden <sjogden@...>
 

You may want to find a copy of Morning Sun's C&EI In Color. Photos of the C&EI standard wood and wood side door LCL caboose are featured, as are the steel cabooses such as ACF Center Cupola versions, the streamlined cupola cabooses, and the ex EJ&E's cabooses. Also, Jerry Michel's book Cabooses of the Missouri Pacific Lines goes into some discussion on the C&EI's cabooses that were around at the time of the MoPac takeover.

Jim Ogden


The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?


Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


Re: C&EI Caboose

Tim O'Connor
 

C&EI had some steel center cupola cabooses, but I don't
think I've ever seen a wooden one. A Google search on
"C&EI caboose" turned up this link --

http://bensonrailphotos.com.seanic11.net/cars.shtml

I'm new to this group, (thank you all for being here!), but NOT new
to railroads and model-railroading and model-building. (About 40+
years now!)

I have a long-sought for question though, about a C&EI, (Chicago &
Eastern Illinois) caboose, that even the C&EI Historical Society
couldn't answer.

In the late 50's, early 60's, the C&EI, out of Dolton,Illinois, just
south of Chicago, ran their, "Clearing-freight", into north Chicago,
to the Clearing-Yard, daily.

The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?

I didn't ever photograph this caboose, but I did another C&EI caboose
which was cupola-less, and had a side-door, which was used on their
way-freight service. (I was 15 at the time.)

Actually the C&EI was using C&WI (Chicago & Western Indiana) trackage
from Chicago down south to Dolton, were the C&EI actually began.

Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


C&EI Caboose

Paul Hillman
 

Hello all,

I'm new to this group, (thank you all for being here!), but NOT new
to railroads and model-railroading and model-building. (About 40+
years now!)

I have a long-sought for question though, about a C&EI, (Chicago &
Eastern Illinois) caboose, that even the C&EI Historical Society
couldn't answer.

In the late 50's, early 60's, the C&EI, out of Dolton,Illinois, just
south of Chicago, ran their, "Clearing-freight", into north Chicago,
to the Clearing-Yard, daily.

The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?

I didn't ever photograph this caboose, but I did another C&EI caboose
which was cupola-less, and had a side-door, which was used on their
way-freight service. (I was 15 at the time.)

Actually the C&EI was using C&WI (Chicago & Western Indiana) trackage
from Chicago down south to Dolton, were the C&EI actually began.

Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


KC brake pictures or drawings

Manfred Lorenz
 

I like to ask this body of experienced freight car buffs for helping
me:
I am building a Sunshine NP boxcar which has a KC brake installation.
Now, to be as accurate as I could I like to know of any drawings or
pictures of general KC brake arrangements. Best would be the one-
sided layout the NP used. The instructions are not really good and
clear in this point.

Help in locating information is greatly appreciated.

Manfred Lorenz
Bonn, Germany


Re: SP USRA gon?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Soderblom wrote:
In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that
went to SP?
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg
Nope, that's an all-steel car. It appears to be Class G-50-2 from the uneven side panels and the ribbed end. See pages 70, 71 in the gondola book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: book - "North American Railyards"

Kert Peterson <kertp@...>
 

On 2/10/2004, Ed Mines asked:

Anyone familiar with said book published by Motor Books?
Ed,

My wife bought that book for me for Christmas. Excellent book on freight yard design and operation. It covers the major freight yards of each of the Class 1 railroads in the US and Canada, plus a handful of smaller ones, like the IHB. Great photos, and excellent trackplans of the yards.

Cheers,
Kert Peterson
Fircrest, WA
kertp@comcast.net


Re: C&NW boxcar stencil arrangement

John F. Campbell <jcampbel@...>
 

At 8:05 AM -0500 2/11/04, CBarkan@aol.com wrote:

I can't say that I have EVER seen a C&NW boxcar stenciled as is the one on
the top of the pile up in the photo at the URL below. Can any of the granger
road experts (or anyone else) tell us more about when and on what cars this
scheme was used?

Chris
================

This was common lettering on TOFC trailers during 1965 (and earlier)...
Both smooth sided & corrugated sided...

JFC


Re: B&LE questions

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 11:07 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

The first two photos are of gons. One is B&LE 36945, blt. 12/1942,
photographed ca. 10/1951. It is a 46'0" IL gon with 16 panel steel
sides, of irregular spacing and drop ends. The second is B&LE 19125,
blt. 5/1937, photographed ca. 5/1956. It is a 46'7" IL gon with 16
panel steel sides, of irregular spacing with fixed ends. Does anyone
know the builder(s) for these cars?

The third photo is of B&LE 91775, blt. 4/1941, photographed ca. 3/1960.
It looks to be a 1937 AAR box car with 7' doors. Anyone know the
builders for these cars?
Ted,
B&LE 91775 is from series 91501-91800, Class XM4, built by Greenville Steel Car Co. (O.O. 311). These were follow-on orders to 500 other cars built in 1940, series 91001-91500 (GSC O.O. 291). The 91501-91800 had Superior hand brakes, Apex running boards, Dreadnaught Ends, Murphy roof, and Creco doors (7-panel). They appear much like 1937 AAR box cars except that the door openings were 7'-3". By the way, don't say "7' doors" or else you'll have the wrath of Jeff Koeller upon you (remember Jeff's Naperville presentation?).

The #36945 came from series 36801-37000 built by Pressed Steel Car Co. 12-42. There is a builder's photo in the National Archives of Canada Merrilees Collection (car #36976). The #19125 may have been renumbered from the original 36001-36500 series, built by GSC (O.O. 245) in 1937. The 36001-36500 series had irregularly spaced 16-panel sides but had drop ends. Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx series for B&LE, nor does the 4/57 ORER. I don't have any 1956 ORERs that are handy to check. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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