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Re: NKP/MDT reefer

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I have seen this decal and also an older Athearn car with a similar scheme showing a white MDT M4(wood car) with NKP leasing marks. I have never
seen a photo to verify this either.

However, NKP did buy a series of 400 of these cars from MDT new in the 1920s that were numbered NKP 60000-60399; at least two of these were converted to milk service later in their careers, NKP 700-701

So if you want to be safe, you put an MDT reefer on your layout and letter it for NKP. I do not know the proper paint scheme for NKP cars, perhaps that is mentioned in the article you referenced.

Roger Hinman

On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 08:02 PM, enobiko wrote:

Walthers has a decal set for the NKP/MDT reefer, part #72440. Any
photos of this car? The description says "white", does that mean
white reefer or white lettering? I have the NKP Historical magazine
Spring 2000 issue that covers the NKP reefers, but no photo of the
MDT reefers there. The only MDT reefers I turn up are NYC, which I
would prefer not to have on my NKP layout.
Dean Payne




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NKP/MDT reefer

enobiko <deanpayne@...>
 

Walthers has a decal set for the NKP/MDT reefer, part #72440. Any
photos of this car? The description says "white", does that mean
white reefer or white lettering? I have the NKP Historical magazine
Spring 2000 issue that covers the NKP reefers, but no photo of the
MDT reefers there. The only MDT reefers I turn up are NYC, which I
would prefer not to have on my NKP layout.
Dean Payne


H30a

Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

Hi All,

It has been a while since I had a Builders Photo giveaway. So, download and
print! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/H30A_OH.jpg

Thank You,
Bill Lane

http://www.lanestrains.com
http://www.pennsysmodels.com
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957


Re: C&EI Caboose

Jim Ogden <sjogden@...>
 

You may want to find a copy of Morning Sun's C&EI In Color. Photos of the C&EI standard wood and wood side door LCL caboose are featured, as are the steel cabooses such as ACF Center Cupola versions, the streamlined cupola cabooses, and the ex EJ&E's cabooses. Also, Jerry Michel's book Cabooses of the Missouri Pacific Lines goes into some discussion on the C&EI's cabooses that were around at the time of the MoPac takeover.

Jim Ogden


The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?


Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


Re: C&EI Caboose

Tim O'Connor
 

C&EI had some steel center cupola cabooses, but I don't
think I've ever seen a wooden one. A Google search on
"C&EI caboose" turned up this link --

http://bensonrailphotos.com.seanic11.net/cars.shtml

I'm new to this group, (thank you all for being here!), but NOT new
to railroads and model-railroading and model-building. (About 40+
years now!)

I have a long-sought for question though, about a C&EI, (Chicago &
Eastern Illinois) caboose, that even the C&EI Historical Society
couldn't answer.

In the late 50's, early 60's, the C&EI, out of Dolton,Illinois, just
south of Chicago, ran their, "Clearing-freight", into north Chicago,
to the Clearing-Yard, daily.

The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?

I didn't ever photograph this caboose, but I did another C&EI caboose
which was cupola-less, and had a side-door, which was used on their
way-freight service. (I was 15 at the time.)

Actually the C&EI was using C&WI (Chicago & Western Indiana) trackage
from Chicago down south to Dolton, were the C&EI actually began.

Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


C&EI Caboose

Paul Hillman
 

Hello all,

I'm new to this group, (thank you all for being here!), but NOT new
to railroads and model-railroading and model-building. (About 40+
years now!)

I have a long-sought for question though, about a C&EI, (Chicago &
Eastern Illinois) caboose, that even the C&EI Historical Society
couldn't answer.

In the late 50's, early 60's, the C&EI, out of Dolton,Illinois, just
south of Chicago, ran their, "Clearing-freight", into north Chicago,
to the Clearing-Yard, daily.

The train always pulled a wooden, center-cupola caboose. Does anyone
know about this caboose and/or have pictures of it?

I didn't ever photograph this caboose, but I did another C&EI caboose
which was cupola-less, and had a side-door, which was used on their
way-freight service. (I was 15 at the time.)

Actually the C&EI was using C&WI (Chicago & Western Indiana) trackage
from Chicago down south to Dolton, were the C&EI actually began.

Anyone have info?

Paul Hillman


KC brake pictures or drawings

Manfred Lorenz
 

I like to ask this body of experienced freight car buffs for helping
me:
I am building a Sunshine NP boxcar which has a KC brake installation.
Now, to be as accurate as I could I like to know of any drawings or
pictures of general KC brake arrangements. Best would be the one-
sided layout the NP used. The instructions are not really good and
clear in this point.

Help in locating information is greatly appreciated.

Manfred Lorenz
Bonn, Germany


Re: SP USRA gon?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

David Soderblom wrote:
In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that
went to SP?
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg
Nope, that's an all-steel car. It appears to be Class G-50-2 from the uneven side panels and the ribbed end. See pages 70, 71 in the gondola book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: book - "North American Railyards"

Kert Peterson <kertp@...>
 

On 2/10/2004, Ed Mines asked:

Anyone familiar with said book published by Motor Books?
Ed,

My wife bought that book for me for Christmas. Excellent book on freight yard design and operation. It covers the major freight yards of each of the Class 1 railroads in the US and Canada, plus a handful of smaller ones, like the IHB. Great photos, and excellent trackplans of the yards.

Cheers,
Kert Peterson
Fircrest, WA
kertp@comcast.net


Re: C&NW boxcar stencil arrangement

John F. Campbell <jcampbel@...>
 

At 8:05 AM -0500 2/11/04, CBarkan@aol.com wrote:

I can't say that I have EVER seen a C&NW boxcar stenciled as is the one on
the top of the pile up in the photo at the URL below. Can any of the granger
road experts (or anyone else) tell us more about when and on what cars this
scheme was used?

Chris
================

This was common lettering on TOFC trailers during 1965 (and earlier)...
Both smooth sided & corrugated sided...

JFC


Re: B&LE questions

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 11:07 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

The first two photos are of gons. One is B&LE 36945, blt. 12/1942,
photographed ca. 10/1951. It is a 46'0" IL gon with 16 panel steel
sides, of irregular spacing and drop ends. The second is B&LE 19125,
blt. 5/1937, photographed ca. 5/1956. It is a 46'7" IL gon with 16
panel steel sides, of irregular spacing with fixed ends. Does anyone
know the builder(s) for these cars?

The third photo is of B&LE 91775, blt. 4/1941, photographed ca. 3/1960.
It looks to be a 1937 AAR box car with 7' doors. Anyone know the
builders for these cars?
Ted,
B&LE 91775 is from series 91501-91800, Class XM4, built by Greenville Steel Car Co. (O.O. 311). These were follow-on orders to 500 other cars built in 1940, series 91001-91500 (GSC O.O. 291). The 91501-91800 had Superior hand brakes, Apex running boards, Dreadnaught Ends, Murphy roof, and Creco doors (7-panel). They appear much like 1937 AAR box cars except that the door openings were 7'-3". By the way, don't say "7' doors" or else you'll have the wrath of Jeff Koeller upon you (remember Jeff's Naperville presentation?).

The #36945 came from series 36801-37000 built by Pressed Steel Car Co. 12-42. There is a builder's photo in the National Archives of Canada Merrilees Collection (car #36976). The #19125 may have been renumbered from the original 36001-36500 series, built by GSC (O.O. 245) in 1937. The 36001-36500 series had irregularly spaced 16-panel sides but had drop ends. Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx series for B&LE, nor does the 4/57 ORER. I don't have any 1956 ORERs that are handy to check. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: SP USRA gon?

Tim O'Connor
 

Nope.

In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that
went to SP?

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg

Dave Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,

I ran the photo through Photo Shop and cleaned it up(actually let the computer do most of the work) and the it makes a world of difference. It is not clear to me why the difference on the color of the roof on the X29(and yes there is more than one) but I believe that is light reflection. Actually an interesting shot. IF you have a program like that you might consider a fix.

Greg Martin


Re: B&LE questions

Jim Wolf
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:
Interestingly, the 4/55 ORER does not list any 19xxx series
for B&LE, nor does the 4/57 ORER. I don't have any 1956 ORERs that
are handy to check. Hope this helps.
My 7/56 ORER does not list a 19000 series for the B&LE either.

Jim Wolf


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Tim O'Connor
 

The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29
(or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195.
Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized
steel roof on the Pennsy car?
First of all, I believe X29 roofs were galvanized. And also
painted. Second of all, the color on the roof can also be
seen on the pipe loads, and on several other box car roofs
in the same photo. Looks like reflected light to me.

Some re-roofed NYC 1920's box cars did receive unpainted
galvanized roofs. I recall seeing a fine color photo of a
NKP train rounding a curve in RMJ (?) that showed this.

Tim "the BB" O.


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
Ben, at least two and maybe three of those four cabooses are steel
cars, probably C-40-3.

Oh well - I was fishing for excuses to buy a couple to go with the SP
power in the collection...


Ben Hom


SP USRA gon?

David Soderblom
 

Tony T:

In the following photo, is that car one of the EP&SW USRA gons that went to SP?

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics27/00033292.jpg

Dave Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Norm Larkin wrote:
Not that familiar with the roof of the X29, but my first reaction was that
it looked very wet. Looking between the tracks, there is a long puddle, and
it appears to be raining hard. That may partially explain the gray-day
quality of the photo.
Very sharp eyes, Norm. I think you may be right about the rain. That flat roof sure is reflective.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Andy Miller wrote:
Isn't a "freshly painted X29" an oxymoron? ;-)

Strange but true! My personal favorites are photos of freshly
painted cars in SK schemes which show every ding and scratch in the
car side.


Ben Hom


Re: Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Not that familiar with the roof of the X29, but my first reaction was that
it looked very wet. Looking between the tracks, there is a long puddle, and
it appears to be raining hard. That may partially explain the gray-day
quality of the photo.
Regards,
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <tculotta@speedwitch.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Strange PRR Boxcar Roof Color



On Feb 11, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

While browsing the Los Angeles Public Library's online
photo collection, I came across this image of Southern
Pacific's Taylor Yard, allegedly taken in 1951:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics26/00047617.jpg

The picture is of poor quality, but it shows a PRR X29
(or something equivalent) coupled to boxcar CB&Q 32195.
Is it just the poor lighting, or is that a galvanized
steel roof on the Pennsy car? Did any PRR cars get such
a roof in their later years?
Shawn:

It looks like the lighting to me. I can't tell you how many times I've
stopped short looking at something only to gather my wits (before you
sharks smell blood in the water, I do have a small quantity, thank you)
and realize that it is lighting or some other anomaly that is playing
tricks.

Ted Culotta




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