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Re: PCC&Stl Rwy.

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

List;

The Pittsburgh, Cincinnati & St. Louis Railway Company was the successor
to a series of railroads that were under the control of the Pennsylvania
Railroad. These lines were: The Panhandle Railway Company, The
Steubenville and Indiana, and the Holliday's Cove Railroad. The
combined company was known colloquially as the "Panhandle."

The Panhandle Railway Company was the original line built between
Pittsburgh and Columbus (with joint operation over the B&O Railroad's
C&N Division between Newark and Columbus Ohio. The Pittsburgh,
Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis Railway Company was a combination of the
PC&STL with the Columbus, Chicago & Indiana Central whose major route
linked Columbus with Chicago via Bradford, Indianapolis and Chicago.

To make this short as it is off topic, the line between between
Pittsburgh and Columbus which later became the Panhandle Division, got
it's name because it's route, which went through the narrow neck of West
Virginia, was shaped like a panhandle. This nickname was still in use
up through the abandonment of most of the line by Conrail in the
mid-1980's. The other lines referred to as the "Panhandle" were the
PCC&STL lines which were leased to the PRR west of Columbus. These
lines became known as the "Greater Panhandle."

In the early 1900s, there were a great number of PRR subsidiary
companies whose freight cars were lettered for these lines. A good
listing of these lines can be found in Al Westerfield's PRR kit history
sheets found in his early GL hoppers, XL box cars, and GR gondolas. For
the steam era modeler in the early twentieth century, Al's freight car
kits are just about the last word.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
PH: (302) 738-4292
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Justin Kahn wrote:


I believe this was what was known as the "Panhandle."
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

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wrote:
Guys, help me out here. I have a photo of a Santa Fe tank car at
Indianapolis, IN in 1919 on the P.C.C.& St.L. Rwy., a rail line whose
identity is unknown to me. Can someone tell me what the initials stand
for, and what larger railroad it later became a part of? TIA.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Hi Richard, I believe it is the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago &
St.Louis. It is part of the Pennsylvania. Regards, Don Smith
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NWU H. H. Copeland holdings

Earl Tuson
 

Hello,

Several years ago, when I visited NWU to research their H. H.Copeland
holdings, I photocopied the listing of those holdings, compiled by
Ron Glas in 1990. I don't want to scan in the entire list, but if
someone wants to know what is in the collection for a road they are
interested in, I'd be happy to share that portion.

For those unfamiliar with the Copeland reports, the H. H. Copeland
Co. compiled and published various freight traffic statistical data
in tabular and map formats- traffic density, traffic interchanged,
etc. It runs from the 20's to the 50's, and by no means is it a
complete collection.

Earl Tuson


Re: North Coast Grit blaster

vyoung5622@...
 

In a message dated 2/21/2004 4:45:27 PM Central Standard Time,
heninger@medicine.nodak.edu writes:
but I am at a loss to figure out how you attach the air supply to the
booth.
I went to a supply house here in Amarillo that carries all kinds of fittings.
I got two or three male quick connect fittings and about the same number of
female fittings. Screw one of the male fittings to the air input on the right
side of the booth as you face the front. Screw one of the female fittings to
your air supply hoses. I added one of the male fittings to my tire filler
and one of the male fittings to my airbrush hose. I just wish I knew the
correct name for all those fittings. Good luck!

Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX
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Re: Truck dimensions

Mike Turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

Although this is definitely off topic for this list, a couple of years ago one of the cad magazines had an ad for some 3d software package and the 3d drawing shown was of a Blomberg truck. I wish I had been smart enought to contact that company to get a copy of that file.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC

Dave Nelson wrote:

Yes but unfortunately for the cad enthusiast only a small number of
dimensions are documented. It'a very hard to find enough information in
those drawings to be able to "re-"draw any of the trucks.
Dave Nelson


Re: HO Reefers For Sale

Jim Scott
 

George,

What are the car numbers on the R-40-10s (All 5).

Thanks,

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.
--- "George A. Walls" <H81644@frontiernet.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Have a few reefers that I need to clean out. To late
for my time frame.

R-40-10, PFE Express Reefer, Green, $13.00
R-40-10, PFE, Overland Herald, Premium Line, $15.00
ea. Have 4
R-40-23, Swift, Hormal, And M.D.T. Reefers, $12.00
ea.
R-30-18, RTR, Terry Wegmen Kit, Assembled by
Intermountain, Have 2, $24.00
ea.

All items are plus shipping and Ins. Please contact
off list.

Thank You,
George Walls



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Re: Chooch Enterprises

Pete Brown <YahooLists@...>
 

My DNS says the domain name doesn't exist, so I looked it up at Network
Solutions and it is still valid.



Must have a bad DNS entry or a downed DNS server or something. I doubt the
problem is with Chooch themselves.



Pete



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From: behillman [mailto:chris_hillman@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:18 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Chooch Enterprises



Has anyone encountered trouble accessing,

http://choochenterprises.com

I can't connect there.

Paul Hillman


Re: Chooch Enterprises

Eugene Deimling <gene48@...>
 

Site is down due to virus attack. It has been down for a while.

Gene Deimling

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller [mailto:atsf@inow.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:19 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Chooch Enterprises

I just tried and couldn't connect. Sometimes weekends are when the
sites are worked on so it may be down for a short period.






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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Eugene Deimling <gene48@...>
 

Thanks
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee [mailto:schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:13 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC

As always, Gene, very impressive.

SGL

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Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC


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Re: Chooch Enterprises

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I just tried and couldn't connect. Sometimes weekends are when the
sites are worked on so it may be down for a short period.


Chooch Enterprises

Paul Hillman
 

Has anyone encountered trouble accessing,

http://choochenterprises.com

I can't connect there.

Paul Hillman


Re: North Coast Grit blaster

Robert Cheeks <Rcheeks666@...>
 

Bob

There should be a fitting near the middle on the right hand side. I
screwed a male
quick-disconnect fitting there to simplify set-up and putting it away. I
suggest you
try 91% isopropanol from the drug store on Proto 2000 however. This
combination
is the cleanest strip of factory paint I have run across. Soak for half
an hour and
clean the corners and crevices with a toothbrush.

Robert Cheeks
Riverside CA

----- Original Message -----
From: <heninger@medicine.nodak.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] North Coast Grit blaster


Hello,
I will apologize in advance for the slightly off-topic posting,
but I am
hoping someone here can help. I recently received my new North Coast
grit
blaster, but I am at a loss to figure out how you attach the air
supply to the
booth. The instructions that I received with the booth are missing a
page, and
I have emailed the company. However, I am impatient to use this booth
so that I
can strip some Proto 2000 boxcars and repaint them in the appropriate
steam era
schemes. Please reply off list.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger




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North Coast Grit blaster

heninger@...
 

Hello,
I will apologize in advance for the slightly off-topic posting, but I am
hoping someone here can help. I recently received my new North Coast grit
blaster, but I am at a loss to figure out how you attach the air supply to the
booth. The instructions that I received with the booth are missing a page, and
I have emailed the company. However, I am impatient to use this booth so that I
can strip some Proto 2000 boxcars and repaint them in the appropriate steam era
schemes. Please reply off list.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Schuyler Larrabee
 

As always, Gene, very impressive.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:56 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you
know that a
file has been uploaded to the Files area of the
STMFC group.

File : /chooch overnight 670.jpg
Uploaded by : losgatos48 <gene48@comcast.net>
Description : For the folks that play with big
trains,
Chooch's new B-50-15 rendered in Overnight
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Re: Truck dimensions

Alan C. Welch <acwelch@...>
 

At 07:34 AM 2/21/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Yes but unfortunately for the cad enthusiast only a small number of
dimensions are documented. It'a very hard to find enough information in
those drawings to be able to "re-"draw any of the trucks.

Dave Nelson
I have done quite a few drawings of prototype equipment using CAD, not that the drawing medium matters.

The drawings in the CBCs are generally very carefully drawn and once one determines the scale in which they are printed, they can be a very good source of dimensions, especially if you keep in mind that the decimal inch was not in use. This means that one can count on the dimensions to be in fractions of an inch, usually no finer gradation than 1/8".

You can often find a feature on the drawing, such as a key dimension or a wheel diameter that will enable the scale to be determined fairly easily. Photos are also amenable to this type of interpretation and the advent of Photoshop has made this much easier. Drawings and photos can be scanned and imported into the drafting program. Once the scale is known, one can draw over the scan. There is a bit of an art to this and if anyone is interested in hearing more, you can contact me.

Al Welch


Conveyors as flat car loads

Scott Pitzer
 

I bought the Walthers #3149 "Conveyor" kit to use as a flat car load. It includes three 50' conveyor sections consisting of three open (steel framed) sides with a solid 4th part for the top. However, there is no detailing on the top that would convey anything... it would be better described as a "ramp." (There are cross ribs on the solid piece but the instructions say they go on the inside to help attach the side frames.)
I guess I could load them top down, on a car where I wanted to hide the deck. Or two side-by-side with the "conveyors" facing each other. Or I could call it "miscellaneous machinery" destined for Amalgamated Widget. Right now I'm painting the parts in an orange-red primer.
If anyone can point me toward photos showing appropriate detail, I'd appreciate it. (But please send it off-list if your information goes too far afield from Steam Era Freight Car loads.)
Scott Pitzer
scottp459@earthlink.net


Re: Questions about NP20429, ART 62388, & DT&I 177??

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
I have to agree with Ben here, and I will add that one of the Southern
Pacific's ex-EP&SW USRA box cars would be an obvious choice, as the
Bamberger connected with the SP at Ogden. During the period in question,
those cars traveled widely in general merchandise service (and some were
assigned to sacked cement traffic).ect:
Not sure what Richard was thinking of here, perhaps the ex-EP&SW USRA gondolas. The EP&SW did not receive any USRA box cars. The NWP did get 100 double-sheathed cars, and the SP itself got 1000 of the single-sheathed cars. The only cement assignments for these cars of which I'm aware was BULK cement (yep, shovels), though of course Richard may have knowledge on this he hasn't shared with me (yet...).

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Re: Truck dimensions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jeff Lodge asked:
I am doing my first car drawings in AutoCAD and need some information
on truck dimensions. It would appear logical to me that all 33"
diameter wheel trucks should have had a very close dimension from
rail top to the center plate. If not, then replacing an archbar with
an Andrews would have been a nightmare.
Did the ARA, ARR, USRA or other groups have standard truck dimensions?
If so, where can I find this information.
Jeff, the center plate height DID change from archbars to later cast-steel trucks, one reason many roads scrapped rather than re-truck their older cars when archbars were finally banned. As Richard said, these dimensions can be found in CBC volumes. IIRC the center-plate height became standard about 1930 under ARA direction and remained fixed through at least the 1950s. Guy WIlber may know the exact dates of such changes.

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Re: Eponymous Railroads

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jace Kahn wrote:
And the Peabody Short Line (or is that post-1960?).

1958, actually.


Ben Hom


Re: Eponymous Railroads

Justin Kahn
 

And the Peabody Short Line (or is that post-1960?).
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

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Eponymous Railroads

Justin Kahn
 

Nope. that is geographic: Pickens SC.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

There was the Pickens Railroad.
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