Eric Hansmann writes:

I've enjoyed the LNE boxcar discussion. I noticed another boxcar image
on the 1945 equipment register that is posted on line. Here's the image:

http://www.gingerb.com/Box%20Car%207115.jpg

This isn't a USRA car as it seems to have a fishbelly underframe. Does
this car fall into a known classification? Or is this a home-built car?

Not even close to the USRA SS box car, but one of many WW-I era variations
on SS box car design and unique, AFAIK, to the LNE (though similar cars
were built for a number of other RRs).

That's also an interesting NC&StL USRA rebuild behind the subject car on
that link.

Not many 36' cars were rebuilt with steel side sheathing, but the NC&StL
did so in 1939-'40-'41, resulting in almost 1,200 cars of the XM-32 class
numbered in the 20000-21199 series. The were unique in several respects,
including the retention of their original inverse-Hutchins rectangual panel
ends.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Sorry to chime in late on this topic but I have found that clear
latex bathroom caulk is the easiest way to attach any
roofwalk/running board. The stuff is water soluable when wet,
stays flexible, dries slowly, doesn't attack plastics and is very
tenacious considering the environment it's made for. I blob some on
a toothpick and dab a bit on each roof support. If I get too much on
there, it easily wipes off with a damp q-tip. The running board,
sans pins, is placed and easily adjusted into position. If you're
insecure about the attachment, leave one pin on and drill a single
hole.
Since I started using latex caulk for this purpose, I have found
that it also works well for gluing boxcar doors on, (just blob some
between the door and body inside)and gluing weights.
I have to credit Richard Hendrickson with this idea; he mentioned
it years ago on another list...

Regards,
Tony Higgins


--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@b...> wrote:

Guys, I've attached many Kadee roofwalks to Branchline cars by

clipping off the 5 pins and gluing the running boards in place with
Ambroid.Works great.

Jace:
It is not the updated kit. That has yet to be produced in quantity. Only
a few sets were cast for assembly of the pilot model.
Gene

Could be. It could also mean as distinguished from sailing vessels, of
which there were still quite a few in 1896.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

On 2/25/2004, Kert Peterson quoted a GNRHS reference sheet:

"According to GN documents, trade with Japan and the Orient began in 1896
with the arrival of the NYK motorship "Hie Maru"...

Motorships in 1896?

John C. La Rue, Jr.

Rudolf Diesel was just perfecting his engine around that time, and I believe
earlier internal combustions engines would not be suitable for marine
applications. Therefore this citiatation is a little dubious. However, Hie
Maru and Great Northern come up together in an interesting late thirties
incident.:

http://www.cimorelli.com/cgi-bin/magellanscripts/ship_bio1.asp?ShipName=Hie+Maru+(liner)

Jack Wyatt

I noticed another boxcar image
on the 1945 equipment register that is posted on line. Here's the image:

http://www.gingerb.com/Box%20Car%207115.jpg

This isn't a USRA car as it seems to have a fishbelly underframe. Does
this car fall into a known classification? Or is this a home-built car?

PSC built 200 low-side composite gondolas for L&NE in 1916, #10001-10200.
L&NE rebuilt them with boxcar bodies in 1925. You can't see it in the
photo, but the cars had fishbelly center sills.

That's also an interesting NC&StL USRA rebuild behind the subject car on
that link.

Naah, that is a rebuild of a 36' car.

David Thompson

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Hey Gang,

I've enjoyed the LNE boxcar discussion. I noticed another boxcar image on the 1945 equipment register that is posted on line. Here's the image:

http://www.gingerb.com/Box%20Car%207115.jpg

This isn't a USRA car as it seems to have a fishbelly underframe. Does this car fall into a known classification? Or is this a home-built car?

That's also an interesting NC&StL USRA rebuild behind the subject car on that link.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.

I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago), that the issue was how long rolling stock (and locomotives) were across the border; I believe it was something like 48 hours before the collectors on either side wanted to collect duty on equipment that overstayed its tourist status. As I recall, many of the roads that regularly operated across the boundary incorporated subsidiaries on the other side from their main headquarters, the obvious case being the CV, GT,GTW, and DWP for CNR, but also the Napierville Junction for the D&H and the CASO for the NYC.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

ed_mines wrote:

PM, Wabash & NYC (CASO) had rail lines through Canada connecting
Detroit and Buffalo.

Was there significant interchange from these roads in Buffalo or
were there restrictions (loads had to be in Canadian cars)? I know
PM had Canadian division cars.

There were no restrictions from customs in the freight cars crossing the
US-Canadian border on account of ownership of those cars.

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Could be. It could also mean as distinguished from sailing vessels, of which there were still quite a few in 1896.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

On 2/25/2004, Kert Peterson quoted a GNRHS reference sheet:

"According to GN documents, trade with Japan and the Orient began in 1896
with the arrival of the NYK motorship "Hie Maru"...

Motorships in 1896?

John C. La Rue, Jr.

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Uh, Bro. Kahn? Just to beat Brer Hom to the punch, there are no dashes
in PRR car class designations; i.e. X29.

respectfully submitted,

Bert Decker
Annandale, NJ

Justin Kahn wrote:

If i did this car it would be a laser wood body but as the V&T had it.

eric

Did I miss a mention of the PSC X-29 imports in O scale (several variations)? I wouldn't mind one or two of them, but I never see them at prices I want to pay. And I know I am not sufficiently particular to pay the premium for a Grabowski anything; that is a different market from my "good-enough for what I can afford" stratum.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

Des Plaines Hobbies has produced a urethane kit for X-29's in O scale. I can send you high resolution digital images of a completed Des Plaines kit It has a stand-in truck since the Keystone 2D F8 has not been released). Keystone Model Works (Steve Grabowski and Bill Pierson)is going to import this car in several flavors. If it is like their H-25, GLa and gondola, they will be the definitive statement on the car.

Gene Deimling

Looking for input from non-HO scale modelers for the TKM X29 series
regarding what you've been using to model the Class X29 boxcar.

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Dear Gene
Is this the long-awaited revision of the stock X-29 made for Des Plaines about ten years back? I have told my tale of woe several times before, of looking at that kit, thinking $60 was an awfully lot, and then scrambling for the next seven or eight years to find one after I decided it wasn't...
I have yet to build my painfully-acquired treasure, knowing I shall not produce so exquisite a result.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

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--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:

I wrote:
Around 1930, the first of these "solid steel," external-carline

roofs

appeared, without any raised panels in the center of each

section.

That's
what I would call a "flat panel roof" also.

David Thompson said:

They're a bit older than that. NYC's first USRA-design boxes of
1920-21
had the Murphy flat-panel roof, and the Hutchins Dry-Lading roof

was

in use
as early as 1916.

No, David, we're talking about the design with structural

external

carlines, not the internal-carline ones. Those Murphy versions

only had

interlocked seam caps which weren't structural, and if those seam

caps

on the Hutchins Dry-Lading roof were structural, you'd have

collapsed

them in a good snow. See any Cyc of the period.

I don't think I agree with you, Tony. AFAIK, the roofs used on all
the USRA-clone all-steel box cars (of which NYC acquired 32,700
examples) were exactly the same as the Murphy raised-rectangular
panel roofs except without the raised-rectangular crimping of the
panels. That is to say they had plain flat panels. Also they were
configured for overhanging eaves rather than Z-bar eaves.

Finally, I understood that SREMCo.'s formal name for the flat-panel,
external-carline roof was "Murphy solid steel roof", although that
term is not descriptive for modelers to distinguish it from later
Murphy versions or roofs of other types altogether.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

I wrote:
Around 1930, the first of these "solid steel," external-carline roofs
appeared, without any raised panels in the center of each section. That's
what I would call a "flat panel roof" also.

David Thompson said:

They're a bit older than that. NYC's first USRA-design boxes of 1920-21
had the Murphy flat-panel roof, and the Hutchins Dry-Lading roof was in use
as early as 1916.

No, David, we're talking about the design with structural external carlines, not the internal-carline ones. Those Murphy versions only had interlocked seam caps which weren't structural, and if those seam caps on the Hutchins Dry-Lading roof were structural, you'd have collapsed them in a good snow. See any Cyc of the period.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Around 1930, the first of these "solid steel," external-carline roofs
appeared, without any raised panels in the center of each section. That's
what I would call a "flat panel roof" also.

They're a bit older than that. NYC's first USRA-design boxes of 1920-21
had the Murphy flat-panel roof, and the Hutchins Dry-Lading roof was in use
as early as 1916.

David Thompson

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Ted is right. Around 1930, the first of these "solid steel,"
external-carline roofs appeared, without any raised panels in the
center of each section. That's what I would call a "flat panel

roof"

also. But I don't think the PRR style, whether X29 or X37,

resembles

that at all.
One reason I'm familiar with the "real" flat-panel roof is

that

SP's auto cars of Classes A-50-9, -10 and -11 had them.

I agree. Maybe I will called them "flat, lapped-seam riveted roofs".
The B&O had a later design on some of their class M-55 box cars.

Bob Witt

Ted Culotta wrote:

You're confusing me now! I call the "X29" roof a flat riveted roof. A
flat panel roof to me connotes a panel roof without the raised
corrugations in the center - a Murphy rectangular panel roof without
the rectangular panels, if you will. This animal did exist and many of
the early Canadian '37 AAR cars had them. Sylvan makes a casting in HO
for just this purpose.

Ted is right. Around 1930, the first of these "solid steel," external-carline roofs appeared, without any raised panels in the center of each section. That's what I would call a "flat panel roof" also. But I don't think the PRR style, whether X29 or X37, resembles that at all.
One reason I'm familiar with the "real" flat-panel roof is that SP's auto cars of Classes A-50-9, -10 and -11 had them. They are well shown in my upcoming Volume 3 of _SP Freight Cars_ .

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
...I'll quickly add that it was Bob Schleicher's mistake, not mine (I make enough errors as it is without being held accountable for those of other people).

My apologies to Richard as I certainly didn't mean to imply that it was his mistake. The mistake was entirely the editor's.


Ben Hom