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Re: MP LCL boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sunday, March 7, 2004, at 07:56 PM, Jack Wyatt wrote:

On the blue and gray Missouri Pacific Eagle Merchandise Service LCL boxcars, I believe the doors had yellow in place of the blue stripes from the body. In all of the color pictures I've seen of the cars, the yellow is badly faded and has a kind of lemon hue. I'm curious how the freshly painted yellow would be characterized. Would it have started out more like a reefer yellow?

Also, through a decal swap, I ended up with a kit with the reverse Murphy ends, but all of the photos I have seen of the Blue and Gray Howe truss rebuilds have the normal Murphy ends. Did any have the reverse Murphy ends, and if so, does anyone have a good car number?
Jack,
What photos do you have of MP steel rebuilds having "normal" Murphy ends with outward-facing stiffeners? This is generally contrary to the data I have compiled (see below). Much of what follows is based on the types of ends that originally came on the 40' SS or 36' DS cars. In most cases, the original ends were reused on the all-steel rebuilt cars. There were 40' and 36' Eagle Merchandise box cars (AAR class XME) and a number of different ends were used on these cars.

My research shows 40' cars with 7/7 Murphy ends (outward-facing stiffening ribs) were assigned to StLB&M 2901-3400, originally built 1925. However, I have photo documentation of two all-steel rebuilt cars having a "mixed" end with the top section 7 outward-facing ribs and the bottom section with 8 inward-facing ribs. The MP general arrangement drawing for this series of cars confirms that the 7/8 "mixed" arrangement was used on the steel rebuilds.

Other 40' cars with 7/8 "recessed" Murphy ends included I-GN 6201-6950, MP 41000-41799, and MP 46000-48749. All of these cars were originally built 1925-1926.

MP 120000-120849 (36' cars) had 7/7 "recessed" Murphy ends, originally built 1926 (fish-belly underframes from older cars).

Other XME steel rebuild came with Dreadnaught Ends and came from cars originally built 1927-1930, including I-GN 9401-9900, I-GN 16001-16318, NOT&M 3601-3720, and MP 120850-121749. The Texas Lines cars were 40' and the latter series was 36'.

One other series of steel rebuilds had hybrid ends formed with a "recessed" 5/2/6 pattern. These were originally 10' IH auto cars with 5/5/5/ "recessed" Murphy ends assigned to series 81000-81999 (later renumbered to 42000-42725 when auxiliary doors were removed). During the all-steel rebuilding process, cars in the 42000-42725 series were reduced in height to 8'-6" that resulted in the middle sections of the ends being shortened from 5 stiffeners to 2.

Regarding the color question, the MP painting/stenciling diagram (dated 8/29/51) for the 40' XME steel rebuilds specifies Sherwin-Williams paint numbers for yellow, blue, gray, red, and black. The yellow paint used on the top and bottom portions of the doors was a relatively light shade of yellow and the same basic color as applied MP's passenger trains and Diesels. Badger Modelflex makes an accurate color matched to paint samples. I would not characterize this color as "reefer yellow" but don't know any other way to provide a description other than to refer to the paint made by Badger. There is a good photo of MP 46960 in the new MP Color Guide Morning Sun book (page 35). The photo shows a recently painted car 10-51 but the blue is too light and the yellow appears extremely pale for a newly painted car (when compared to paint samples). The painting/stencil diagram states the ends were to be painted gray and some photos show gray ends. However, some cars received blue ends including the car in the Morning Sun color guide book. Tack boards were painted black.

If anyone has data to the contrary, please let me know as I want to correct any data that may be incorrect.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: MP LCL boxcars

C J Wyatt
 

<<
Jack,
What photos do you have of MP steel rebuilds having "normal" Murphy
ends with outward-facing stiffeners? This is generally contrary to the
data I have compiled (see below).... >>

Ed - Thanks for your reply. I guess my list of photos is not too long, and I
might have misjudged what I saw in some of the photos. However the photo of
MP 48709 in Sunshine's Data Sheet #39A (Charles Winters) appeared to me to
have regular Murphy ends, but now I'm not sure if the shadows are playing
tricks with my eyes. If you have that picture, I'd appreciate your opinion.

I also appreciate the paint info. I looked at the Modelflex paint chart and
could not tell which of the yellows was the one you were referring to. IF
you have the Modelflex code number for the yellow paint handy, that would be
most helpful.

Thanks again for your help.

Jack Wyatt
Re: MP LCL boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On the blue and gray Missouri Pacific Eagle Merchandise Service LCL
boxcars, I believe the doors had yellow in place of the blue stripes from
the body. In all of the color pictures I've seen of the cars, the yellow
is badly faded and has a kind of lemon hue. I'm curious how the freshly
painted yellow would be characterized. Would it have started out more like
a reefer yellow?

Also, through a decal swap, I ended up with a kit with the reverse Murphy
ends, but all of the photos I have seen of the Blue and Gray Howe truss
rebuilds have the normal Murphy ends. Did any have the reverse Murphy
ends, and if so, does anyone have a good car number?

Thanks for any help.

Jack Wyatt
Jack, I can't comment on the color issue. But there were some cars with
inverse Murphy ends. I have a photo showing two cars with 7-7 inverse
Murphy ends, but I can't privde numbers because they were in MW service
with X-prefix numbers when photographed. I also have a photo of MP 42005
with 5-2-5 inverse Murphy ends, but it was painted mineral red.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Re: Accurail AAR 70-ton triple hopper with off-set sides

Richard Hendrickson
 

If I missed this thread just kill this off.

I found on the Accurail web site that they will be doing a version of
the AAR triple hopper with off-set sides with the following features:

* Fine sill steps molded from tough, durable Acetal resin, molded as
one piece with the diagonal end braces and bolster top plate so they
don't fall off the car
* Center sills set up for either standard mount couplers OR Accumate
PROTO:HO "scale size" couplers
* Brake levers and piping modeled between the major brake components
* Slope sheet braces properly modeled
* Fine section end ladder
* Properly modeled Wine door locks
* Hidden weights

From the description, the body casting should be finer than the one
from Stewart. Now if they do a correct 70-ton truck that will be a
real addition to the hobby.

Bob Witt
Yeah, Bob, but as usual with Inaccurail,the damn grab irons, ladders, etc.
will still be molded on and there will be a gazillion bogus paint and
lettering schemes. You'll hear no cheering from this part of the
grandstand.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Re: What are these trucks?

John Degnan &#92;(RailScaler&#92;) <RailScaler@...>
 

Mighty strange set-o-trucks on that cab... notice that there are NO AXLES!?!


John Degnan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] What are these trucks?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&cate
gory=35975&item=2230501804


Also, check seller's other listings. A goodly
number of freight car builder's photos.

SGL




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MP LCL boxcars

C J Wyatt
 

On the blue and gray Missouri Pacific Eagle Merchandise Service LCL boxcars, I believe the doors had yellow in place of the blue stripes from the body. In all of the color pictures I've seen of the cars, the yellow is badly faded and has a kind of lemon hue. I'm curious how the freshly painted yellow would be characterized. Would it have started out more like a reefer yellow?

Also, through a decal swap, I ended up with a kit with the reverse Murphy ends, but all of the photos I have seen of the Blue and Gray Howe truss rebuilds have the normal Murphy ends. Did any have the reverse Murphy ends, and if so, does anyone have a good car number?

Thanks for any help.

Jack Wyatt
What are these trucks?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&cate
gory=35975&item=2230501804


Also, check seller's other listings. A goodly
number of freight car builder's photos.

SGL
Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Great. Will is a DL&W fan, so I am SURE they will
be on line as soon as the site is up.

I gotta tell you, I keep looking at O scale . . .
Only the fact that my club and its HO layout in
which I have invested 25 years of work is stopping
me . . . And you're not helping . . .



SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Deimling
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Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC

Schuyler:
Thanks but it was a nice day on the left coast
today and
couldn't resist it.
I am sending this and a couple other images to
the ELHS
webmaster for posting.
Gene Deimling


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Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC

Gene, you gotta stop taking the photos in
daylight. Not fair.

The model is stunning.

SGL

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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gene, just as stunning . . . Beautiful work.

SGL

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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Eugene Deimling <gene48@...>
 

Schuyler:
Thanks but it was a nice day on the left coast today and couldn't resist it.
I am sending this and a couple other images to the ELHS webmaster for
posting.
Gene Deimling

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee [mailto:schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:22 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC

Gene, you gotta stop taking the photos in
daylight. Not fair.

The model is stunning.

SGL

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you
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STMFC group.

File : /dlw hopper end.jpg
Uploaded by : losgatos48 <gene48@comcast.net>
Description : O Scale Lackawanna USRA twin
hopper.
Upgraded with new trucks, lettering, grab irons,
AB brakes
and a bunch of other details.

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pper%20end.jpg

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Accurail AAR 70-ton triple hopper with off-set sides

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

If I missed this thread just kill this off.

I found on the Accurail web site that they will be doing a version of
the AAR triple hopper with off-set sides with the following features:

* Fine sill steps molded from tough, durable Acetal resin, molded as
one piece with the diagonal end braces and bolster top plate so they
don't fall off the car
* Center sills set up for either standard mount couplers OR Accumate
PROTO:HO "scale size" couplers
* Brake levers and piping modeled between the major brake components
* Slope sheet braces properly modeled
* Fine section end ladder
* Properly modeled Wine door locks
* Hidden weights

From the description, the body casting should be finer than the one
from Stewart. Now if they do a correct 70-ton truck that will be a
real addition to the hobby.

Bob Witt
Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gene, you gotta stop taking the photos in
daylight. Not fair.

The model is stunning.

SGL

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Upgraded with new trucks, lettering, grab irons,
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Eugene Deimling <gene48@...>
 

Thank you,
Gene Deimling

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Some darn nice modeling there..GREAT job.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake
NS Conductor
Columbus, OH
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Denis F. Blake <dblake2996@...>
 

Some darn nice modeling there..GREAT job.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake
NS Conductor
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

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Re: Brake appliances on PMcK&Y USRA rebuilds, circa 1935

Richard Hendrickson
 

Can you confirm from the photo in the Car Builder's Cyc whether the NYC
Lines herald has a black background? It doesn't look like it in the
photo I have, but my understanding is that it should have.
Yes, it does.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Re: Stock cars

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Getting back to stock cars, can anybody recommend a kit to build a model
of either of the C&O stock cars?
Nope. The 40-ft cars had a body similar to the Pennsy K7, but they rode
on ARA 1932 underframes and had 4-4 Dreadnaught ends. The 36-ft cars had
the diagonals leaning the opposite direction from the Westerfield SP stock
cars which would otherwise be a good starting point.

David Thompson
Re: Brake appliances on PMcK&Y USRA rebuilds, circa 1935

Rob Adams
 

Thanks Richard! I appreciated it. All I see below the side sill on my copy is darkness.

Can you confirm from the photo in the Car Builder's Cyc whether the NYC Lines herald has a black background? It doesn't look like it in the photo I have, but my understanding is that it should have.

Thanks again.

Rob Adams



Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Rob Adams asks:

>I'm getting ready to build a couple of the Tichy #4028 USRA SS box car
>steel side rebuilds to model cars from PMcK&Y series 83400-83499. Based
>on an excellent picture in Train Shed Cyc No. 75, several detail changes
>will be warranted.
>
>One question I can't answer from the photo is whether the cars received
>AB brakes as part of the re-building in late 1934. AB brakes were
>required on newly constructed cars by that time, but my understanding is
>that the requirement wasn't extended to rebuilds until Jan 1, 1937.
>
>Can any of you provide some guidance here? I'm trying to model the cars
>as they would have been at rebuilding Circa 1935. Thanks in advance.
I carefully studied the same photo in the 1937 Car Builders' Cyc, where its
reproduction was somewhat less dark and muddy than in the Train Shed Cyc,
and I can just make out the outline of the brake cylinder/reservoir and
dirt collector. That confirms that these cars retained their original KC
air brakes when rebuilt.
Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Re: CGW PS1

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sunday, March 7, 2004, at 08:59 AM, Clark Propst wrote:

There is some very small stenciling on the lower door panel on CGW 93000 series PS1s. Anybody have any idea what it might say?
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Clark,
A Bob's Photo of CGW 93041, taken 2/11/52 at Tuskegee, Alabama, has the following stencils on the bottom door panel.

To the left of door handle: "LIFT HANDLE -->"
To the right of door handle: "TO OPEN OR CLOSE DOOR"

In addition, there are 6 lines of smaller stencils to the right of the route board on the 2nd panel from bottom. However, the data cannot be read on this photo.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins
164101 - 164120 of 192670