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Re: New F&C PRR Covered Hopper (was Resinators Flash-New Stuff/New People)

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Monday, April 5, 2004, at 08:07 PM, Benjamin Frank Hom wrote:

Elden Gatwood asked:
Was that Pennsy covered hopper the H32?

Nope. It's the Class H30 (not to be confused with the H30A that they previously offered). I haven't had a chance to unpack and examine it yet.
Hmmm, I wonder how it well it relates to all the good information that Al and Bob uncovered regarding the differentiating the H30 from the H30A and published in TKM #8? I've been waiting for this car for a while now <G>!

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Re Re: HO AB brake set and Grandt Line brake cylinders

James Eckman <FUGU@...>
 

from:
http://www.grandtline.com/product_listing.htm

O scale
WESTINGHOUSE AB BRAKE SET WITH AJAX HANDBRAKE (1 SET).....7.25

HO scale
WESTINGHOUSE TYPE K NARROW GAUGE BRAKE SET (1 SET).....2.50
5224.....8X8 NY AIR BRAKE SET-TYPE K (1).....2.50
5232.....WESTINGHOUSE AB BRAKE SET-STANDARD GAUGE (KIT).....4.75

From: "enobiko" <deanpayne@...>

I just looked at Walthers (again), and could not find any AB set from Grandt Line.
Go to the source, see above.

IF one were looking for brass only (to finish a brass caboose), what would you suggest?
Having a brass version cast from the Grandt Line part or buy a brass version from Precision Scale.

I suppose I'll stick with plastic, since it's going to be painted anyway...
Nothing looks more like paint than err... PAINT!

Jim


GREAT YELLOW FLEET

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

Rich:

I've got the book, but I'm afraid to rely on it. Many of my other
reference volumes are stuffed with notes and further references that I
have made over the years. I was thinking along these same lines for THE
GREAT YELLOW FLEET only formalizing those notes a bit more and keeping
them with the volume. The notes of those such as Hendrickson (SFRD) and
Thompson (PFE) would increase my comfort level with the book.

I guess if a corrected volume was issued I'd buy it just to have the
right information, but it seems like such a waste.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich's Email [mailto:rjramik@...]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reefer Company histories - MDT

Mont:

Since I don't have a copy of this work (GYF) and by all accounts will
probably never bother to purchase one, I would not find a supplement
very
useful.

However, because of the problems discussed with the GYF this may present
an
opportunity to actually correct the many mistakes (and fraud perpetrated
under the guise of knowledge) that have been brought to light on this
list!

I would think that if the new work were done correctly, by that I mean
using
the native intelligence of those that actually know what they are
talking
about with supporting documentation, I and probably many others on this
list
would purchase one in a heartbeat. Since this list is dealing with a
relatively small universe of people, the potential audience for such a
work
would probably be larger.

Lastly, packaging of the volume in not necessarily a high priority,
i.e., it
would not have to be hardcover.

For What It's Worth,
Rich Ramik

-----Original Message-----
From: Montford Switzer [mailto:ZOE@...]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:13 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reefer Company histories - MDT


Richard and group:

How about an inexpensive "supplement" to the book outlining the
deficiencies along with corrected data. Something cheap and easy to
publish that one could place with their original copy of the book so
that the errors are not perpetuated -- or are the problems so massive
that a reprint is required?

Mont Switzer










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Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my post about the W M Wood
chip car. It is sincerely appreciated. I am now covered on that subject.

Thank You,
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Re: Resinators Flash-New Stuff/New People

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

He had with him test shots of the N&W's 50 foot DD B-4, with two different
types of the roofs, the SRE's Murphy paneled roofs and a Pennsy roof,
nomenclature unknown to me.
It's not a Pennsy roof. The first production B-4 and B-5s had an inside
seam cap roof with recessed corners for the walkway laterals. The recesses
were noticeably deeper than on the PRR X37 roof and the panel count was
different.

David Thompson


Re: HO AB brake set

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Go direct to Grandt Line


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They're friendly, won't bite.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: enobiko [mailto:deanpayne@...]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO AB brake set

I just looked at Walthers (again), and could not
find any AB
set from Grandt Line.
IF one were looking for brass only (to finish a
brass
caboose), what would you suggest? I suppose
I'll stick with
plastic, since it's going to be painted
anyway...
Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson
<midcentury@s...> wrote:
Brake Guru Dan Smith states emphatically that
the BEST AB
brake set on
the HO market is the Grant Line set, which has
as its
heritage use in
the Detail Associates' GS Gondola. Even with
the unique to the GS
gondola molded on mounting braket on the air
resevoir, I am
inclined
to agree with Dan.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
<snip for brevity>




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Re: HO AB brake set

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

I just looked at Walthers (again), and could not find any AB set from
Grandt Line.
IF one were looking for brass only (to finish a brass caboose), what
would you suggest? I suppose I'll stick with plastic, since it's
going to be painted anyway...
Dean Payne
Dean,

The Walthers web listing is a bit screwed up, as follows:

"5232 Brake Gear Set - Westinghouse Narrow Gauge Type K -- Westinghouse
AB HO  4.75 N 30-Dec-2004"  

The catalog itself refers to the part number only as the Westinghouse AB.

Anyway, the N indicates it's out of stock.

The 4.75 indicates it's priced way beyond what I'd pay for it.

Dick


Re: steel consumption/mill gons far from home

Schuyler Larrabee
 

One presumes that Youngstown Sheet & Tube made . .
. Well . . . Tube.

It further seems logical that it shipped its
product largely in Erie gons, at least during the
term of this list.

SGL


Re: First up resin kit - the follow up

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

On the paint front I do like the newer acrylic's but am open to
suggestions if there is a particular brand that has an exact match
(yeah, I know, that is a slippery path of opinion...(VBG))<<


All I can offer is a bit of experience with mxing paint and some basic
into ealry pigments, but I hope this helps: -

I spent a lot of time playing with paint trying to get the proper
effect of "freight car color" when seen in a train. Now the exact PRR
paint colour varied depending on when the car was painted (and with
manufacturing/batch variations, the use of different sources of
pigments and so on), but the original specification for most of the
steam era was "iron sesquioxide" and this was a very bright orange
shade of oxide red.

Given that PRR spec called out the pigment so specifically it suggests
that the pigment as manufactured (synthetic) or refined oxide rather
than the natural forms which show enormous variations due to
impurities and chemical changes due to exposure. "Mars Red" is a
standard artist colour based on a manufactured Fe2O3 pigment and is
appropriately orange in hue.

"Freight car color" darkened over time due to the effects of coal
smoke and grime. The end result was a very close match for Modelflex
"Light Tuscan" oxide red, and this is favored by a number of PRR
modellers.

For newer cars mix in varying amounts of Liquitex artist's Mars Red
acrylic and thin the resulting concoction with Liquitex airbrush
medium.(This latter product should be in every acrylic painters
cupboard)

Aidrian


Re: First up resin kit - the follow up

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Justin Walker asked:
"I have decided to take the leap with one of Al's fine products, the USRA Mill Gondola PRR G25 (item no 8103). Now that this is on it's way and bearing in mind the layout era (1953) what suggestions do you have for trucks etc that I should now order."

PRR documents list Class 2E-F3 (70 ton Andrews) trucks for Class G25:
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2E-F3-E69407.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=

I recommend Bethlehem Car Works #1227 ($9.95/pr) - it's a metal truck which will add much needed weight to the car, and has the "heavier" look of a 70-ton truck.
http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com/Products/Kit_Bits/index.html#Trucks

I'd follow the earlier recommendation to buy extra wire; hopefully, you should already have that down in Oz. Other than that, the Westerfield kit has all of the detail parts and decals that you'll need. As for paint, Elden Gatwood uses Modelflex Light Tuscan Oxide Red on his Circle Keystone cars, and I like the look of this color. Keep in mind that post-war FCC is a darker shade (i.e., less orange) than that used before WWII.

For more information on building this kit for the G25, see Elden Gatwood's article in the March 2004 TKM:
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler_NO8.htm
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/TKM_Images/Keystone_Modeler_NO8_files/TKM_No[1]._8_03_04_PDF_Version.pdf

Good luck!


Ben Hom


Re: HO AB brake set

enobiko <deanpayne@...>
 

I just looked at Walthers (again), and could not find any AB set from
Grandt Line.
IF one were looking for brass only (to finish a brass caboose), what
would you suggest? I suppose I'll stick with plastic, since it's
going to be painted anyway...
Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@s...> wrote:
Brake Guru Dan Smith states emphatically that the BEST
AB brake set on the HO market is the Grant Line set,
which has as its heritage use in the Detail
Associates' GS Gondola. Even with the unique to the GS
gondola molded on mounting braket on the air resevoir,
I am inclined to agree with Dan.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
<snip for brevity>


Re: steel consumption/mill gons far from home

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

Did mill gons carry steel from Birmingham or the Chicago area or
Baltimore to New York state?<<



One type of iron product was extensively shipped from the Alabama iron works. Cast iron pipe was (and still is) a significant industry in this area and was shipped all over. Small stuff went in packing cases loaded in boxcars, bigger stuff went in gons and flats. Large gate valves make for interesting loads as well.



Aidrian


Re: Gons for ore

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Clark Propst asked:
I know someone who models the CGW and asked me if there are any models "close" to these series of NYC hoppers? There was a block of 15 cars the number series' are:

827000-830199
NYC 827000-828999, Lot 362-H, AC&F St. Louis, 1917. 7-rib twin, very similar to USRA twin (30 ft IL vs. 30 ft 6 in IL of USRA twin).

862000-866999
NYC 862000-865499, Lot 846-H, GSC Greenville, rebuilt 1953. These cars were originally offset twins, but were rebuilt to 9-rib ribbed twins (11 ft height over top angles). This one's a pain in the ass, as it isn't modeled by anything on the resin or plastic market. I do have an old Railroad Progress kit (AKA styrene scratchbuilding project in a box) for this car, which I'll get to one of these days. (NYC 862543, NYC Color Guide, p 59)

872000-873999
NYC 872000-873999, Lot 789-H, DSI, 1949-1950. 8-rib offset twin (31 ft 5 3/4 in IL); use Athearn/Atlas offset twin as stand-in by removing center rib. Remaining rib spacing not an exact match to prototype.



Ben Hom


Re: New F&C PRR Covered Hopper (was Resinators Flash-New Stuff/New People)

Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Elden Gatwood asked:
Was that Pennsy covered hopper the H32?

Nope. It's the Class H30 (not to be confused with the H30A that they previously offered). I haven't had a chance to unpack and examine it yet.


Ben Hom


Re: another PS-1 question

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

See Andy, if you were in N Scale, all you would have to do is the end panel change!
We already have the 7 panel door and no bow tie on the roof end panels and who can see the brakes in N Scale? Remeber, all 250 Bx-52 were delivered as "Grand Canyon" cars with the "Ship and Travel" slogan, no maps.

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...> wrote:
My old friend George Hollwedel mentioned the ATSF Bx-52s of 1947 as examples
of early production PS-1s. Some time ago I "re-kitted" an undec Kadee PS-1
and (mostly) smoothed off the end panels of the roof and the tops of the
ends. With a little more sanding and polishing I'll be there. I've already
taken so much time on this project that several months after I started Kadee
obligingly introduced the Superior 7-panel doors I needed to replace the
model's original Youngstown doors. I only hope I can revise the brake system
and get the car painted before Kadee decides to release its own early
production PS-1 - that being pretty unlikely, I'll probably make it.

So long,

Andy

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Executive Editor
MODEL RAILROADER Magazine
262-796-8776, ext. 461
Fax 262-796-1142
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Re: W M Wood chip car

Pete Brown <YahooLists@...>
 

Hi Bill

Looks like you snagged that photo from Rich Yoder's site, so you've already
seen his model photos.

From the photos in The WM Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, I
can see the following for the specific model you reference:

Class H-19 2901 to 2930

All lettering is white except for the small yellow print next to the center
rib (not present in the photo you referenced). The yellow print is visible
in the newly rebuilt hopper.

As best as I can make it out, the text on the end of 2901 says :

WM
2901
MW WROT STEEL WHLS
SPRG 1 5/8 IN TRAVEL
S-D2

Text under the air tank (only one block of text in the photo in the book) :

RFD 4-14-62
(second line unreadable, looks like RDG CO)


Capacity Data in second panel:

CAPY 110000
LD LMT 120000 (my data book says 120500, however)
LT WT 49000 (my data book says 48500, however)

There is a small white 5-pointed star in the channel to the left of LD LMT.
The star points roughly at 1:00 in the various photos. It is also specified
in the data book.

In the panel to the right of CAPY (third panel), the text is "HM"

Centered in the panel to the right of LT WT (third panel) is "EK11-62" for
Elkins November 1962

In yellow text, centered in the fourth panel from the left is the following:

WOOD - CHIP
LOADING ONLY
RETURN TO
WM RY
ELKINS, WVA.

In the panel to the right of that (fifth panel) is the build date for the
original hopper on which this was built "BLT 2-27"

The white text to the right of that (sixth panel) us unreadable in this
photo, but is likely:

(first line unreadable)
REPKG EK (some date)
W M

The white text in the seventh panel is cubic foot data, and was unreadable.
However, the books I have indicate the right data, so it would look like
this :

HEIGHT 14'2"
CU FT 2890
H-19

Please note that the layout of the specific text within a given panel
changes considerably based upon which hopper and which date. Also note that
if you are modeling an H-25 (2932 to 2940), the text is different in almost
all areas including the capacity.

HTH

Pete
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Lane [mailto:billlane@...]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:02 PM
To: O Trains; O Scale Modelers; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] W M Wood chip car

Hi All,

Does anyone have a higher DPI copy of this photo
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/WM_Wood_Chip.jpg or another good side
shot of this car? I am decaling this car NOW. I should have sent this
earlier. I need to see what the smaller lettering is.

Thank You,
Bill Lane


Re: Resinators Flash-New Stuff/New People

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I may have said too much already

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "gary & kathy roe" <wabashrr@s...>
wrote:
Bill wrote:
Lastly, a well known modeler has announced that he is leaving
fulltime (and safe and secure) employment to among other things do
books, a magazine, full resin kits and resin kit conversions.



Bill,

Are you at liberty to tell who this might be?

gary roe


Re: another PS-1 question

Ed Hawkins
 

On Monday, April 5, 2004, at 05:56 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:

What roads had the early production PS-1 without the "bowties" on the
end panels? I know CGW did but who else?
Jerry,
All PS-1s built 1947 through 1949. There's a bunch of roads. The roster will be on line when Ted gets it set up.
Ed


Re: Resinators Flash-New Stuff/New People

Gary Roe
 

Bill wrote:
Lastly, a well known modeler has announced that he is leaving fulltime (and safe and secure) employment to among other things do books, a magazine, full resin kits and resin kit conversions.



Bill,

Are you at liberty to tell who this might be?

gary roe


First up resin kit - the follow up

Justin Walker <justinandsarah@...>
 

Firstly thanks again to all those who have made suggestions. All your
feedback has been kept and will be used.

On to the main news. I have decided to take the leap with one of Al's
fine products, the USRA Mill Gondola PRR G25 (item no 8103).

Now that this is on it's way and bearing in mind the layout era
(1953) what suggestions do you have for trucks etc that I should now
order.

On the paint front I do like the newer acrylic's but am open to
suggestions if there is a particular brand that has an exact match
(yeah, I know, that is a slippery path of opinion...(VBG))

Thanks again

Justin Walker
Gold Coast, Australia

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