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Re: Early 1900's Wood Freight Cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Chris Hillman asked:
"What cyclopedias/books are available that show accurate wooden car
construction, including the frames, sides, everthing actually."

An outstanding starting point is John White's _The American Railroad
Freight Car: From the Wood-Car Era to the Coming of Steel_, which is
still in print, and is a bargain at $40-45 for over 600 pages of
extremely well-researched information. Here's an excerpt posted at
Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0801852366/ref=sib_rdr_fc/102-1139549-
2569753?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001#reader-link


"Also, when did all-wood, general car-construction tend to cease."

Someone here will certainly find an exception, but generally, all-
wood construction (i.e., no steel centersill, no steel underframe) of
freight cars was killed off by the end of World War I. All-wood,
truss-rod cars simply weren't robust enough to meet the increased
traffic demands brought on by the war.


Ben Hom


Early 1900's Wood Freight Cars

Paul Hillman
 

I'm sure someone in the group can quite easily answer this question.

What cyclopedias/books are available that show accurate wooden car
construction, including the frames, sides, everthing actually.

I want to begin building exact "G" scale models of wooden freight
cars, cabooses, etc.

Also, when did all-wood, general car-construction tend to cease.

Paul Hillman


Proto 2000 "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car.

Arnold van Heyst
 

I can't find the proper -silver- decal set for it.
So i guess i can scrap this car? (the underframe has been bent)

Arnold.


Re: Color of auto frame loads

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

For those of you who think the Prototype Police is too extreme, you
have no idea<
I remember the white gloves in the exhaust pipe. Those who have
comments about freight car rivet counters have never, ever been to one of
these competitions.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


C&O boxcars series 5400-5499

steamgene@...
 

I have castings for the Deco ends and Creco doors for the C&O numbers
5400-5499, a sub series from 4000-5499. What would be a good starting point for the
sides and roof for a car in that series? I am a "two foot is good" modeler,
so a "looks okay" would work.



Gene Moser


Re: Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car.

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Not having a Sinclair tank car with me in the office, I can't say off hand.
But Champ and Walthers make a variety of alphabet sets in different type
face and sizes, and most art supply store sell dry transfer lettering sets,
although getting them down to our size may be difficult. Lastly if you can
get to a Alps printer, you could make your own.

BTW if the overlay is not quite perfect, that's what an oil drip weathering
is for ;-)

Regards,

Andy Miller

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Subject: [STMFC] Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car.


Arnold,
If you can find an alphabet set that is similar font, try overlaying
the "3"
with an "8". It should completely cover the original digit.
Regards,
Andy Miller

Andy,.........that's a very -if not- the best idea.
Do you perhaps know where to find decals to do this?
And what about #9131?
This number isn't correct at all......
Keep this number that way?

Kind regards,

Arnold.



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Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car.

Arnold van Heyst
 

Arnold,
If you can find an alphabet set that is similar font, try overlaying
the "3"
with an "8". It should completely cover the original digit.
Regards,
Andy Miller

Andy,.........that's a very -if not- the best idea.
Do you perhaps know where to find decals to do this?
And what about #9131?
This number isn't correct at all......
Keep this number that way?

Kind regards,

Arnold.


Re: Color of auto frame loads

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Paul Koehler wrote:
As the frames we shipped ready for assembly into vehicles, they were
shipped painted black. Usually with a gloss black enamel.

To add to Paul's comments, auto hobbyists who restore cars for
concours competition have this information documented by make, model,
and year (even down to assembly line markings crayoned by workers as
the car made its way down the line). You'd be surprised what you'll
find when you take apart a classic car and clean away the accumulated
dirt and grime.

For those of you who think the Prototype Police is too extreme, you
have no idea...watch concours judging at a 'Vette meet sometime.


Ben Hom
My other hobby is a 1964 Ford Falcon convertible...


Re: Color of auto frame loads

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Bruce:

As the frames we shipped ready for assembly into vehicles, they were shipped
painted black. Usually with a gloss black enamel. During my tenure with
the Southern Pacific at one point I was assigned the South Gate GM B O P
plant where I saw many carloads for auto frames.

Paul C. Koehler

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Brantner [mailto:sfcoyote_2000@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:03 AM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Color of auto frame loads

I have been following the discussion on the steel beam loads. I was
especially interested in the color of the beams, i.e. the painting of them
before shipment.


I am doing some gondola auto frame loads; circa 1950.
I would think that they too would be painted before shipping. Does anyone
know just what color they might have been painted? A primer gray seems to
be the most likely.

Bruce

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Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR




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Re: Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Arnold,

If you can find an alphabet set that is similar font, try overlaying the "3"
with an "8". It should completely cover the original digit.

Regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: Arnold van Heyst. [mailto:mrdata1968@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:47:42 -0700
From: Richard Hendrickson
Subject: Re: Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car.

Fellow railroaders,

In my collection i have 3 Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000
gallon tank cars (i prefer to have more......), with Kadee #58 (without
pin) couplers and airhose.

1x SDRX #9131 & 2x SDRX #10123.

I would like to change one of the SDRX #10123 into an other number. Is
there someone with a list of numbers wich they had? Are there decalsets
to do this?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.
Arnold, the number series of those cars was 10100-10199. The easiest way to
change the number would be to replace the either the two or the three with a
"1", as the numeral "1" on Sinclair cars was a simple straight line and
almost any decal "1" of approximately the same size could be trimmed to fit.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

That's strange.......one of these is having #9131. So i presume that number
is incorrect? Arnold.





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Proto 2000 "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

I have one numbered 12165... I guess that's wrong too?

Arnold, the number series of those cars was 10100-10199. The easiest way
to change the number would be to replace the either the two or the three
with a "1", as the numeral "1" on Sinclair cars was a simple straight line
and almost any decal "1" of approximately the same size could be trimmed to
fit.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

That's strange.......one of these is having #9131. So i presume that number is incorrect?
Arnold.


Re: Digest Number 1807

Malcolm H. Houck
 

In a message dated 4/26/2004 4:18:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
I would think that they too would be painted before
shipping. Does anyone know just what color they might
have been painted?
I'd paint 'em a semi-gloss black. That's the color I always remember seeing
them, in any number of locations enroute to assembly plants. Primer tends to be
porous and is not a good weather resistant paint. Until not so long ago many
auto parts weren't primered anyway, only treated with phosphoric acid [or
similar counterpart enchant]; - "Phosphated", and then painted. Auto frames, out
in the sunlight, should be painted.

Mal Houck


Color of auto frame loads

Bruce
 

I have been following the discussion on the steel beam
loads. I was especially interested in the color of
the beams, i.e. the painting of them before shipment.


I am doing some gondola auto frame loads; circa 1950.
I would think that they too would be painted before
shipping. Does anyone know just what color they might
have been painted? A primer gray seems to be the most
likely.

Bruce

=====
Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR




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Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car

Arnold van Heyst
 

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:47:42 -0700
From: Richard Hendrickson
Subject: Re: Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000 gallon tank car.

Fellow railroaders,

In my collection i have 3 Life Like Proto 2000, "Sinclair" 10.000
gallon tank cars (i prefer to have more......),
with Kadee #58 (without pin) couplers and airhose.

1x SDRX #9131 & 2x SDRX #10123.

I would like to change one of the SDRX #10123 into an other number.
Is there someone with a list of numbers wich they had?
Are there decalsets to do this?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.
Arnold, the number series of those cars was 10100-10199. The easiest way
to change the number would be to replace the either the two or the three
with a "1", as the numeral "1" on Sinclair cars was a simple straight line
and almost any decal "1" of approximately the same size could be trimmed to
fit.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

That's strange.......one of these is having #9131. So i presume that number is incorrect?
Arnold.





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Howard Ameling's vitals

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

Does anyone have a current phone number or email address for Mr. Howard
Ameling?

Bill Welch


Car Kits For Sale

parkvarieties <parkvarieties@...>
 

Listmembers,

I am in the process of reducing my collection of freight car kits
and have a number of Branchline Blueprint kits I am disposing of at
$8.95 ea and some Red Caboose kits priced from $10.15-$10.75; prices
do not include Parcel Post shipping charges to your ZIP code. You
can view the listing of available kits at
www.provide.net/~parkvarieties/frtcars.doc

Please contact me directly if interested. Thanks.
Frank Brua


helping a freight car modeler

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

Forgive me using this group to track down someone but freight car modeler
Lloyd Keiser (mandetory content) is trying to contact Jim Six. If anyone can
me info to pass onto Lloyd, can you please contact me off line at
bwelch@uucf.org

Sorry for the intrusion

Bill Welch


Re: Howard Ameling's vitals

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Here ya go, Bill:

NKP4@worldnet.att.net

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch [mailto:bwelch@uucf.org]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:35 AM
To: freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] Howard Ameling's vitals

Does anyone have a current phone number or email address for Mr. Howard
Ameling?

Bill Welch


Re: Color of auto frame loads

Charles Hladik
 

Bruce,
The ones I remember seeing appeared to be a gloss black.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division


Re: CGW PS1's

Tim O'Connor
 

I can confirm the 93000's had diamond tread (USG) running boards.
I'm not sure about the others.

I've looking at the three series of CGW PS1's. It appears that the early carbody 93000 series and the newer 5000 series have US Gypsum running boards. The 5600 appear to have Apex. Is this correct?
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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