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Re: Early 1900's Wood Freight Cars

Bryan Anderson <bryana@...>
 

I have read this discussion with great interest. One of the reasons
is that the scale the author is working in is large scale. the other
reason being my intereest in a specific road that had a large fleet
of wooden underframed cars delivered quite late in the wooden car
era.
The Fort Dodge DesMoines and Southern owned a fleet of wooden
36 footers delivered beginning in 1911 according to the CERA book
Iowa Trolleys. The road purchased a fleet of 2500 cars delivered in
1911. I have a builders photo of car5668 If i can read the photo
properly the builder is Haskell and Barker of Michigan City
Indiana. Build date on the car is 02/14. I believe some of the
fleet came second hand from New York but the majority came from the
builder directly.
According to the book they were painted in a distinctive scheme
of red ends and light gray roofs and sides. They were nick named
graybacks. As best as my research has indicated they were retired
in great quantity during the depression with a few lasting in online
service until the late forties or early fifties. The road built a
couple miles of sidings to store them until they could be sold.
Many of them were bought by farmers as storage buildings. I have
found them withing 10 miles of town that are still intact. Inside
they still have their numbering on the rafters.
True enough the Fort dodge line was an interuban but it was a
large one and its origins are actually in a steam road and was build
to fairly high standards for its day. The number of cars involved
is also signifigant. Surely not all that rinky dink.
I have built a couple of these cars in large scale. I hope
there are a few more large scale modelers on the list. Also if
there are any Iowa interurban experts that has more info on the
grayback fleet I would very much enjoy a discussion of it.
Bryan Anderson


Re: [Spring Sale]

Chris Sawicki
 

Marty- please send a copy of your list. Thanks, Chris Sawicki

Marty McGuirk <mac@intermountain-railway.com> wrote:Hello all,

I've found that I still have WAAAYYYY too much stuff and not enough
places to put it.

Rather than throw it out (it's too good for that, really) OR be forced
to lug it around to swap meets for the next ten years I've decided to
create a list of what there is and sell it, at discounted prices, on a
first-come first serve, basis.


The items on the list are limited to HO scale standard gauge items. It
includes some rolling stock kits (resin, plastic, and otherwise),
locomotives, structures and even some detail parts.

If you're interested in getting a copy of the list of items please
reply to this e-mail -- be sure the subject line says "[Spring Sale]"
so the computer will send it to the right place.

I'll have the list put together and sent out no later than the end of
the month.

Sorry for the duplicate posts or wasted bandwidth.

Marty



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[Spring Sale]

Marty McGuirk <mac@...>
 

Hello all,

I've found that I still have WAAAYYYY too much stuff and not enough places to put it.

Rather than throw it out (it's too good for that, really) OR be forced to lug it around to swap meets for the next ten years I've decided to create a list of what there is and sell it, at discounted prices, on a first-come first serve, basis.


The items on the list are limited to HO scale standard gauge items. It includes some rolling stock kits (resin, plastic, and otherwise), locomotives, structures and even some detail parts.

If you're interested in getting a copy of the list of items please reply to this e-mail -- be sure the subject line says "[Spring Sale]" so the computer will send it to the right place.

I'll have the list put together and sent out no later than the end of the month.

Sorry for the duplicate posts or wasted bandwidth.

Marty


O Gauge & O Scale (WAS: Early 1900's Wood Freight Cars)

Jim Hill <jrhill@...>
 

As everyone knows, the 1.25" track gauge of O Scale represents 5 scale feet
instead of the correct 4 feet 8 1/2 inches (which would be 1.177" in O
Scale). For the record, this is a "gauge error" of an actual 0.073 inches.
Meaning that each rail (and each wheel) is slightly less than four
one-hundredths of an actual inch too far from the track centerline.

There have been two main approaches to overcoming this staggering error:

~ Correcting the SCALE so that it fits the 1.25" track gauge. This was
called "17/64th scale", and had a modest following in the 1930's and 40's.
If anyone's still building in 17/64" scale, I haven't met them.

~ Correcting the GAUGE to the proper 1.177". This was originally called
"Q Gauge" which attracted a small following a half-century ago, and was used
on the late, lamented Museum & Santa Fe layout in Chicago's Museum of
Science and Industry. More recent efforts along this line include "1/4AAR",
"Fine Standards" and (now) "PROTO48" -- all of which involve trackwork
standards and wheel dimensions which approximate prototype specs, in
addition to the correct gauge. There's a small cottage industry now
producing PROTO48 wheels and track components, and converting locomotive
mechanisms.

I'll skip the explanation of how "O" Scale actually started out as "0"
[Zero] Scale . . . :-)

Jim Hill
========================
Paul Hillman wrote:

To MY understanding/memory, true "O scale" is 5mm=1'0".!!??
[which he later corrected to "7mm=1'0"]
. . .
Then "HO" came along, (Half-O), and thus it was 3.5mm=1'0",
as it is today.
There was an article in a MR mag about this, 1950ish(?),
wherein the question of going to an American 1/4" scale
instead of [7]mm, and it would be called "Q" scale.
But, I guess it never caught on.???
I've discussed this "fact" with many "pros" who claim
they've never heard of such a thing.
How do "Proto 48" folks address this issue?


Re: Auto Box Car?

Jim Flynn <bflynn2@...>
 

Sorry, all, I meant a HO model. The Hocking Valley ran quite a fleet
of them, and am looking for a suitable HO model. In N scale, Micro
Trains makes a very close car.

Thanks.

Jim Flynn


Re: MoPac GS gondolas

Jim Ogden <sjogden@...>
 

Speakiing of photos, did anyone ever see a photo of one of the MoPac cars with the wood side boards removed to use in logging operations? All I have seen is the diagram sheet.

Jim
MP had some USRA gons that would be good subjects for the Intermountain
USRA gons. I have one on the workbench to do in the next month or so.
Here is a photo of one:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?fsaall:1:./temp/~ammem_IEND::


Regards,
Ted Culotta




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best brass tank car models

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I feel competent to look at a brass model of a boxcar or reefer and say if
it is a good model or not, and since most significant house cars will be
done eventually I believe either in resin or styrene, I have not purchased
any brass freight cars except for a couple of tanks cars (the Red Caboose
GATX model) and two N&W covered hoppers done by Overland a few years ago.

But tank cars are another matter and although I have educated myself, I am
still unsure when I look at the brass models I see around at the various
shows. I would find it helpful if people could list 5 to 7 of what they
think are the best tank car models that have been done. If you have a
catalog number, so much the better in trying to identify them at shows.

Bill Welch


Re: Early 1900's Wood Freight Cars

Paul Hillman
 

"benjaminfrank_hom" wrote:

An outstanding starting point is John White's _The American
Railroad Freight Car: From the Wood-Car Era to the Coming of Steel,

.......at Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0801852366/ref=sib_rdr_fc/102-
1139549-
2569753?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001#reader-link
*********************************************************************
Ben,

Thanks for the link. I went there and bought the book. I also got
his book on passenger cars (OT). Both look promising.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: Auto Box Car?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote in response to Jim Flynn:
PRR X24s (steel framed single sheathed)...

To clarify a bit, the X24's auxiliary doors were "full" doors:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=BuildersPhotos/X24_E8478_side_BillLane.jpg&fr=
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PRR_500860_X24_34view.jpg&fr=

It's tempting to do this car in HO using a Westerfield X23 kit with
X25A end doors, but the resulting kitbash would be 13" too short (X23
8'0" IH, X24 9'1" IH).

Made obsolete by large numbers of Class X31 and X31A auto boxcars,
all remaining Class X24 auto boxcars were rebuilt to Class K7A
stockcars in 1934.


Ben Hom


SP Caboose

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tony and friends,

I just picked up one of Walthers new SP cabooses. It is the version with
"Southern Pacific" spelled out in railroad roman. I note that the model
has freight car red ends. Would any cars with this lettering have had
orange ends? And what era is this lettering scheme good for? 1957? As
most of you know, I'm not primarily an SP modeler, so I don't have a
great deal of documentation about the SP. Sometimes it is nice to have
a change of equipment, just for variety, and the SP did interchange with
both the WP and SN at sooooo many places.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jim Flynn wrote:


Anyone know if a wood 40' or 50' double sheathed automobile boxcar
with the 1/2 door to the right has ever been produced?

Do you mean prototype or model?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history





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Re: MoPac GS gondolas

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Apr 28, 2004, at 9:54 AM, asychis@aol.com wrote:

Hi everyone.  I was wanting information on Missouri Pacific GS
gondolas.  Did
they have any that would be represented well by the Red Caboose
composite or
steel-sided models?  Thanks!
MP had some USRA gons that would be good subjects for the Intermountain
USRA gons. I have one on the workbench to do in the next month or so.
Here is a photo of one:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?fsaall:1:./temp/~ammem_IEND::


Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Auto Box Car?

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jim Flynn writes:

Anyone know if a wood 40' or 50' double sheathed automobile boxcar
with the 1/2 door to the right has ever been produced?
Several RRs ordered such cars in the 'teens and '20s. PRR X24s (steel
framed single sheathed) were built that way, as were a sizeable number of
wood framed double sheathed cars for the Baltimore & Ohio and the Lehigh
Valley (the latter were rebuilt in the early 1930s as single door cars with
steel framing and Duryea cushion underframes). Other RRs (e.g., M-K-T,
Southern Pacific/T&NO) had cars with the auxiliary doors on the left but
the entire door opening offset to the right.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Auto Box Car?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Flynn wrote:
Anyone know if a wood 40' or 50' double sheathed automobile boxcar
with the 1/2 door to the right has ever been produced?
Do you mean prototype or model?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: TMU Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Saturday, April 24, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Dennis Short wrote:

Looking for sources of plans and photos for Tank Car Multiple Units used to haul "1-ton" chlorine tanks. Also looking for info on the shape and size of the tanks they hauled. Also curious when these types of cars went into disuse or were prohibited from interchange.
Dennis,
There is a limited amount of drawings of AC&F's MU cars at the Museum of Transportation. I find general arrangement drawing #6140403, dated 2/2/33, but I don't know to what extent it was applied to actual cars built unless I review the drawing further. It is listed for use on Type 27 cars. It shows a basic arrangement that would be useful. Another drawing that would relate is 4140404, dated 2/10/33, entitled Center Sill and Flooring Details. Contact me off-list if you have interest in obtaining copies of these drawings.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Auto Box Car?

Jim Flynn <bflynn2@...>
 

Anyone know if a wood 40' or 50' double sheathed automobile boxcar
with the 1/2 door to the right has ever been produced?

Thanks.

Jim Flynn


Re: MoPac GS gondolas

asychis@...
 

Ted,
I guess I mispoke (miswrote?). What I was looking for is information on
MoPac drop bottom gondolas like the Red Caboose model. I like the USRA composite
gons from InterMountain. Built 10 myself from kits and got the final two
numbers they issued as assembled models. Got a lot of coal to carry!

Jerry Michels


Decals needed

Bill Lane <billlane@...>
 

Hi All,

This is a mass email to all of my train groups and friends. I am sorry if it
does not completely fit the group's interest. I am in need of at least one
and preferably 2 sets of HO Western Maryland steam engine decals for a
customer. Please reply to me privately. Here is the same engine and paint
scheme my customer wants.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=3189583634

I have already checked the Microscale site. They do not make them. Any help
would be most appreciated.


Thank You,
Bill Lane

Custom Brass Painting
http://www.lanestrains.com

Importing a Brass PRR X29 in S Scale
The REA version has been approved for production
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957


MoPac GS gondolas

asychis@...
 

Hi everyone. I was wanting information on Missouri Pacific GS gondolas. Did
they have any that would be represented well by the Red Caboose composite or
steel-sided models? Thanks!

Jerry Michels


Re: TMU Cars

Rich Chapin <rwc27q@...>
 

Dennis,

TrainShed # 12 , Tank Cars 1922-1943, has a drawing of a Standard Steel Car
TMU (1925) and a couple of photographs.

I've a photo of a TMU by Jim Sands I downloaded that's dated 1967, but I
didn't note the source (likely Jim's site).

Suggest you do a search for the "Chlorine Institute" and/or chlorination for
details on these cylinders, which are still used in water and wastewater
treatment.

Hope this helps,
Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Short" <dennis.short@verizon.net>
To: "Steam Freight Cars List" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:44 AM
Subject: [STMFC] TMU Cars


Looking for sources of plans and photos for Tank Car Multiple Units used
to haul "1-ton" chlorine tanks. Also looking for info on the shape and size
of the tanks they hauled. Also curious when these types of cars went into
disuse or were prohibited from interchange.

Thanks,
Dennis







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Re: Early 1900's Wood Freight Cars

Andy Carlson
 

--- "John Degnan (RailScaler)" <
Anyone know if anyone makes prototypical looking G
track with solid rail?


John Degnan
Llagas Creek Railway makes real nice flex track.
Check out "Garden Railways", a Kalmbach Monthly.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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