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A new source for decals

Bill C. <pennsysdaddy@...>
 

Anyone who has ever chased the where abouts of a certain hard to find
decal set, knows what frustration is all about. Where to look next?
Well guys, finally there is a new place to look. It's right here on
Yahoo Groups, and it has just opened today. It's called Railway Decal
Express Agency. You can advertise your unwanted decals, and you can
wheel and deal to buy from those who are willing to sell. The actual
sale all done on a private basis, the buyer contacts the seller, and
they conduct their business privately. The new group is intended as
an advertising/hunting Agency to buy, sell, or even trade up
modelrailroad decals...and ONLY decals. So, come on, and check it out
for yourselves. The more members that sign on, the more decals will
eventually change hands. Besides, it's a great way to connect with
others in your scale, and maybe your own road too. Hope to see you
all there.

The new link is;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Railway_Decal_Express_Agency

Thanks all,
Bill C.


Re: ITC history requested

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 08:53 PM, lamontc@... wrote:

Series is 400-499, not listed in the 10/63 ORER, 100
cars listed in the 7/64 issue. They're noted as 40'6"
cars, 10'6" IH, with 8' doors. There are no exact
matches listed under the Reading numbers at that time,
but there are a number of similar cars from about
104000 and up (I have no info as to when any of these
cars were built).
Bob and Ian,
Reading 104000-104699 was built by Reading in 1946, so I believe there is a good chance the ITC car came from this group. When built this series came with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends, 7-panel Superior doors, Ajax hand brakes, Apex running boards and Duryea underframes, so these items could be checked for a match with the ITC photo. A photo of RDG 104295 appears on page 69 of the Reading Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, albeit a late photo for this group. Perhaps this question is technically outside the bounds for discussion of this group even though it pertains to a car built 1946. Presumably Mike will comment if it is.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Dave Bayless
 

-Shawn stated:
It's also puzzling because the beets are actually
moving
away from the nearest refinery, which would have
been at
Betteravia on the Coast Division. In the direction
the
train is traveling, the nearest beet refinery would
have
been Holly Sugar down in Orange County, a much
further
distance. Very strange...

Andy answered:
let me remind you that Oxnard had a very large sugar
refinery, lasting well into the 1950's. The site now
is mostly Ventura County RR yard, but some
industrial/agricultural businesses are there also.
-Andy Carlson


Shawn and Andy

This photo looks like it was taken just south of the Seacliff siding
along the Rincon. I worked this line for many years and it still looks
much like it does in the photo. It is not unusual for sugar beats to
move south on the coast line. They are probably moving towards Los
Angeles as there was a sugar plant at Dyer (Santa Ana-Holly Sugar) which
lasted till 1979 and a Sugar Plant at Oxnard (American Beet Sugar) which
lasted till 1958. There was also plants in Alvarado and 3-4 of them in
Arizona. Plus the big plant in Carlton, (Holly Sugar) out in the
Imperial Valley. However usually beets moved out of the Imperial Valley
so it is hard to tell. I had the beets both east and west on the
Mountain/Valley and Coast Lines several times.
Dave

Dave Bayless, UP/SP Engineer
Denver, Northwestern and Pacific RR
(The Mountain Road)
Design and Operations Dept, Auburn, CA


Re: PRR G31 Gondolas

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

List,

In reply to Eldon Gatwood's plea for a G31 urethane kit: I think that
you will see the Rail Classics G31 series in brass before anyone else
does it in a urethane kit. I have been after Martin Lofton to do these
cars in kit form for quite a while, but so far he is so far backed up in
orders and with other projects, that it may be a brass car first.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: ITC history requested

Ian Cranstone
 

On 19-May-04, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kingman wrote:

I have a picture of an Illinois Terminal box car
numbered 428 taken about
1964. From the notes on the back of the picture, it
maybe an ex-Reading car built
11/46.
Does anyone have the history of this series and where
it came from?

Series is 400-499, not listed in the 10/63 ORER, 100
cars listed in the 7/64 issue. They're noted as 40'6"
cars, 10'6" IH, with 8' doors. There are no exact
matches listed under the Reading numbers at that time,
but there are a number of similar cars from about
104000 and up (I have no info as to when any of these
cars were built).

Ian & Katherina Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Andy Carlson
 

Actually, this area looks much like it did back when
the photo was taken, the highway's enlargement being
the most noticed change. This area is not very densely
populated, mostly because the cliffs being so close to
the breakers, which limits usable land.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- newrail@... wrote:

Nice photo, Shawn. Don't you wish California
looked that good now!! <VBG>
Don Valentine


Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Andy Carlson
 

-Shawn,
let me remind you that Oxnard had a very large sugar
refinery, lasting well into the 1950's. The site now
is mostly Ventura County RR yard, but some
industrial/agricultural businesses are there also.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

It's also puzzling because the beets are actually
moving
away from the nearest refinery, which would have
been at
Betteravia on the Coast Division. In the direction
the
train is traveling, the nearest beet refinery would
have
been Holly Sugar down in Orange County, a much
further
distance. Very strange...

Shawn Beckert


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Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Jay Bingham <j.bingham@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:
List,

Another photo from the Los Angeles Public Library:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030510.jpg

The picture is undated, but the caption reads "View
of Train along Roosevelt Highway". Somehow, I don't
think so. Roosevelt Highway runs through Malibu and
Santa Monica in California, and I don't recall the
Espee EVER going through Malibu. But hey, I'm just
a young punk, what do I know....

Those look like old beet racks in front of the helper.


I drive the highway about once a month. The picture shows the area
about ten miles north of Ventura and about 3 miles sould of Rincon.
There are now oil rigs in the bay to the left and there is a small
community in the picture of about 200 people (can't think of the
name now) on the mountain side of the line.

Jay Bingham
Pacific Plaisades, CA


Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Shawn Beckert
 

Don Valentine wrote:

Nice photo, Shawn. Don't you wish California looked
that good now!!
Actually it's a lousy photo - I don't know what the
photographer was trying to accomplish. If he'd just
aimed a little more to the right he'd have done more
for posterity than just a "scenic" view.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030510.jpg

What's interesting about the picture is that it shows
an SP helper running SOUTH on the coast instead of the
usual Northbound, or uphill direction - the first photo I
can recall seeing of such a move. And not anywhere near
what I would consider "helper" territory. The only thing
I can think of is that the train must have been made up
entirely of beets, which even in those days would have
made for heavy tonnage.

It's also puzzling because the beets are actually moving
away from the nearest refinery, which would have been at
Betteravia on the Coast Division. In the direction the
train is traveling, the nearest beet refinery would have
been Holly Sugar down in Orange County, a much further
distance. Very strange...

Shawn Beckert


Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Don Valentine
 

Quoting "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...>:

List,

Another photo from the Los Angeles Public Library:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030510.jpg

The picture is undated, but the caption reads "View
of Train along Roosevelt Highway". Somehow, I don't
think so. Roosevelt Highway runs through Malibu and
Santa Monica in California, and I don't recall the
Espee EVER going through Malibu. But hey, I'm just
a young punk, what do I know....

Nice photo, Shawn. Don't you wish California looked that good now!! <VBG>
Perhaps the fact that it doesn't anymore is one reason why Richard and
Sandra moved to Oregon!! <Even Bigger grin!>

Don Valentine
Don Valentine


Re: Paint, not as simple as it looks

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Tony,

The cards were reproduced in 1994 by the PRRT&HS from original "Bowles
Color Drift Control System" cards.

In regard to the streamlined K4s 3768--Wouldn't want to get into it!
Not my era, man! Take the tin off it and it still wouldn't be any good
to me, wrong division!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Anthony Thompson wrote:


Entirely likely <G> Also possible that they sat out on a desk in the
PRR
offices for years, or that orange is more stable than red...
Whose drift cards did they use? There were two or three companies
who made them.

P.S. Want to get a paint war started amongst SPFs? Ask them the
color of
streamlined K4s #3768 ("bronze"...whatever that was circa 1936)
Even worse than DGLE? Wow!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: FGEX's Florida Citrus Traffic

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Tim Gilbert's analysis of the 1947-50 Florida citrus Reefer traffic is extremely interesting. I can add nothing to it but some clarification of California vs. Florida citrus industries- to a great extent pretty different.

The principal American juice orange, whether in California or Florida is the Valencia orange. It has the advantages of hanging on the tree over a longer period of time, and its ample juice has staying power (i.e. "fresh" juice can be kept for perhaps 24 hours without developing any off-flavors). These oranges are the principal Florida crop and the source of American frozen juice. As mentioned they ripen in Florida in the winter months. California also produces Valencias, but it is a minor (and diminishing) crop which, at least in Northern California, ripens in July-August.

The principal American peeling orange, whether in California or Florida is the Navel orange. This is the principal California orange, and it ripens December/February. It does not have the "hanging/staying" power of the Valencia, and as a juice orange, it has little present commercial juice value because the fresh juice does not keep at all, and very quickly develops off-flavors.

Now, in this period (1947-50) before the onset of frozen juice, how this competition worked out is unclear because oranges were ALL consumed fresh, so the juicing disadvantage of the navel might not have been an issue.

Now, if you really want to have a treat for yourself, just hand squeeze a tumbler of fresh California navel orange juice for yourself in the morning just before consumption. It is the only way that you will ever taste it, and it is sheer ambrosia.

Denny








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Sacramento


Re: War Emergency Mill Gondolas

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

The MEC did receive secondhand cars in the 1960s from the CNJ, I
believe. They were steel sheathed by then. There are a couple of
photos of them out there. I have some somewhere around here.

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Ted is correct, and I have a photo of MEC 12019.
The United States Railway Equipment Co. leased to the MEC in 1969 for ten years 43 gons built by Bethlehem in 1943-44. When leased, the 52' 6" gons numbered in MEC's #12000-12042 series had 1/4" steel sides and the top chord had been reinforced which raised the inside height to 3' 8." The ends had been converted from drop ends to fixed. The open fishbelly side sill had been retained.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Shawn Beckert:

Another photo from the Los Angeles Public Library:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030510.jpg

The picture is undated, but the caption reads "View
of Train along Roosevelt Highway". Somehow, I don't
think so. Roosevelt Highway runs through Malibu and
Santa Monica in California, and I don't recall the
Espee EVER going through Malibu. But hey, I'm just
a young punk, what do I know....
That's the Coast Line north of Ventura where both the RR and the highway
were practically on the beach. And the name "Roosevelt Highway" was
applied to the entire coast highway (U.S. 101) in Southern Calif. at the
time it was built, though the name fell out of use after WW II (having
lived in Santa Barbara for several years in the '50s, I never heard it
called anything but "101").

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


War Emergency Mill Gondolas

Richard Hendrickson
 

The MEC did receive secondhand cars in the 1960s from the CNJ, I
believe. They were steel sheathed by then. There are a couple of
photos of them out there. I have some somewhere around here.

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Ted is correct, and I have a photo of MEC 12019.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Missouri Pacific coke cars

rgs4550 <rgsfan@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@s...> wrote:

On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 06:40 AM, asychis@a... wrote:

I am looking for information on Missouri Pacific coke cars that look
to be
converted from Howe-truss boxcars. I have one photo from the Joe
Collias
collection of number 1277 in the early 1953. I wonder if anyone has
information
about these cars. I have a 1944 ORER, but it does not list this car,
or any coke
cars as such. Does anyone have a mid-1950's ORER that may list the
car(s)?
As usual, one question leads to another. If no coke cars are listed
in 1944,
I wonder if the car I have a photo of was built for a new service, or
did the
MP use other cars, maybe regular hoppers for coke service before this
time.
Jerry,
The MP coke car 1277 came from series 1270-1299, 30 cars converted
sometime after April 1946 and before April 1951 from former 36'
double-sheathed cars from series 120000-121749 built 1925 through 1928.
I don't have any ORERs presently handy between these dates to better
define the time of conversion and the diagram for the cars does not
state the year of conversion. These cars came from the same group that
Eagle Merchandise Service steel rebuilds were derived in 1950-51. The
April 1951 and April 1955 ORERs lists 30 cars in the 1270-1299 series.
The April 1957 ORER does not list the cars in the 1270-1299 series, but
rather scattered in the 120000-series. These cars were renumbered back
to the 120000-series circa 1956-1957 to clear the numbers for I-GN
pulpwood cars assigned to 1180-1299 that were in process of being
changed to M.P. reporting marks when the Texas Lines subsidiaries were
merged into the MP car number system.
Ed Hawkins
Hi Jerry, They do not appear in the Oct 1950 Equip Register but do
appear in the Jan 1955 Register. Regards, Don Smith


ITC history requested

rkngmn@...
 

I have a picture of an Illinois Terminal box car numbered 428 taken about
1964. From the notes on the back of the picture, it maybe an ex-Reading car built
11/46.

Does anyone have the history of this series and where it came from?

Thanks in advance.

Bob Kingman


Re: Missouri Pacific coke cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 06:40 AM, asychis@... wrote:

I am looking for information on Missouri Pacific coke cars that look to be
converted from Howe-truss boxcars. I have one photo from the Joe Collias
collection of number 1277 in the early 1953. I wonder if anyone has information
about these cars. I have a 1944 ORER, but it does not list this car, or any coke
cars as such. Does anyone have a mid-1950's ORER that may list the car(s)?
As usual, one question leads to another. If no coke cars are listed in 1944,
I wonder if the car I have a photo of was built for a new service, or did the
MP use other cars, maybe regular hoppers for coke service before this time.
Jerry,
The MP coke car 1277 came from series 1270-1299, 30 cars converted sometime after April 1946 and before April 1951 from former 36' double-sheathed cars from series 120000-121749 built 1925 through 1928. I don't have any ORERs presently handy between these dates to better define the time of conversion and the diagram for the cars does not state the year of conversion. These cars came from the same group that Eagle Merchandise Service steel rebuilds were derived in 1950-51. The April 1951 and April 1955 ORERs lists 30 cars in the 1270-1299 series. The April 1957 ORER does not list the cars in the 1270-1299 series, but rather scattered in the 120000-series. These cars were renumbered back to the 120000-series circa 1956-1957 to clear the numbers for I-GN pulpwood cars assigned to 1180-1299 that were in process of being changed to M.P. reporting marks when the Texas Lines subsidiaries were merged into the MP car number system.
Ed Hawkins


Southern Pacific Mystery Photo

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Another photo from the Los Angeles Public Library:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics22/00030510.jpg

The picture is undated, but the caption reads "View
of Train along Roosevelt Highway". Somehow, I don't
think so. Roosevelt Highway runs through Malibu and
Santa Monica in California, and I don't recall the
Espee EVER going through Malibu. But hey, I'm just
a young punk, what do I know....

Those look like old beet racks in front of the helper.
Tony Thompson, what's the latest date those cars were
in service? Yes, I have the gondola book, but haven't
had time to read it yet. I know, shame on me...

Shawn Beckert


Re: Missouri Pacific coke cars

asychis@...
 

Thanks Ed

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