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Re: Great Northern Well Car GN 60002

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard,

Neat photos. Thanks much for sharing them. Take a close look at photo
#3. To the left of the well hole car is a covered hopper. It is marked
GN X2978. 1958 seems very early to have a covered hopper in company
service. Do you, or anyone else, know the history of this car and the
type of service to which it was assigned? Sand?

Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Garth, they were converted from twin hoppers (Canton?) (now available
from Accurail). Overland imported brass models of the sand cars about
15 years ago.


Re: GNX2978

Richard Remiarz
 

GN X2978 is a sand car. GN had 50 sand cars in the X2950 to X2999 series, all converted between 1952 and 1965 from hopper cars. The hopper cars were originally built by the Canton Car Company in 1929-1930 and were numbered 73000-73199. GN X2978 was converted in December, 1955. The cars had peaked steel roofs welded over the top of the car. The hatches on the roofs varied, with the earliest 6 cars receiving 4 square hatches, the next 7 receiving 8 square hatches, and the remainder with 8 round hatches. The hopper doors were replaced to sand outlets and valves.

Richard Remiarz

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--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, Garth Groff <ggg9y@v<mailto:ggg9y@v>...> wrote:
Richard,

Neat photos. Thanks much for sharing them. Take a close look at
photo
#3. To the left of the well hole car is a covered hopper. It is
marked
GN X2978. 1958 seems very early to have a covered hopper in company
service. Do you, or anyone else, know the history of this car and
the
type of service to which it was assigned? Sand?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Broadway Limited question

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, and also 'AWE', a little known brass importer and vendor.
(I think he made at least one freight car kit.) Anthony W.
something-or-other.

Anyway, I thought those ORI "Powerhouse" models were actually
made by Samhongsa, and that Athearn had acquired the rights to
them*. That's what someone told me -- The story goes that the
Powerhouse Mike and Pacific were the basis for Athearn's
return to steam engine manufacturing.

* Evidently A.W.E. retained at least the "Powerhouse" brand
name for his own use.

Strangely (?) the same individual was associated with Oriental and now BLI.

Jerry in Fla
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:09:48 -0400
From: "Denis F. Blake" <dblake2996@...>
Subject: Re: Broadway Limited question

Tim

Years ago, wasn't there a Powerhouse series of steam locomotives done by
someone else? The "Classics" part of the name makes me wonder if they are
doing the same engines again.....Reissuing the ones that Powerhouse did
years ago...Maybe I am nuts, but I do remember this name from somewhere.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake


Re: Broadway's H2A is out

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ted Culotta writes:
"While I
don't dispute the significance of the H2/H2A/H3, I don't think that
it's a car that Western modelers NEED, no disrespect to Mr. Brock or
yourself intended."


Ted is, of course, correct...regardless of the one or two examples that may have sneaked away from Columbus, OH, or some such place some rainy night to make a run for Sherman Hill. As with some other cars unique to one LARGE part of the country or the other, such cars are definitely significant, though, just not needed by those that model other areas. SP/UP GS gons come to mind as well as Hart Ballast hoppers which while not exclusive to the western roads, were certainly not common in the east.

"Oops, I probably
just got myself on "moderated" status."
Nope. Particularly if you keep turning out those superb articles on frt cars in RMC.


Mike Brock


Re: Broadway's H2A is out

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

They ride on what look like 70-ton solid bearing trucks with three
visible spring groups, although I haven't had a chance to measure the
wheelbase. That alone is a very needed part.
Interesting. The H-2a's mostly rode on 70-ton ASF A-3 trucks, but the
last batch from Roanoke in 1956 had Barbers with 3 visible spring groups.
N&W used a 70-ton ARA, 3-spring, plank truck on the H-2, H-4, and some of
the prewar covered hoppers. Which one did Broadway do?

H2s and H3s were delivered starting in the early '40s, with the H2As
coming after the war, and N&W kept buying them until the mid '50s, when
the H10 went into production. N&W had a LOT of H2/H2A/H3s, something
like 25,000 if memory serves.
1500 H-2 in the winter of 41-42.
12,633 H-3 + 1241 H-3 with wood slope sheets in 1941-44.
9000 H-2a built by N&W 1948-53
1000 H-2a built by Virginia Bridge Co. 1949
1000 H-2a built by ACF 1956
1500 H-2a built by Roanoke 1956
500 H-2a built by Greenville 1956
500 H-2a built by Bethlehem 1956

David Thompson


Re: Stock car decks

Len Allman <allmansipe@...>
 

Hello Robert,
Would you please tell us the name of the tape to which
you referred?
Thank you,
Len Allman

--- Robert Kennedy <rfkennedy.dsm@...>
wrote:
Hi Group,

Just came across a tape showing the N&W loading
bricks into a stock car.

Bob Kennedy

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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Stock car decks


Another reason for stock cars on the head end is
slack action. Don't want
to shake up the bacon before cooking. Also easier
to set out or pickup on
the head end. Stock cars deeper in the consist may
be empty or have other
lading. Were often used to haul coal in car short
times. Some mines had
box car loaders for just such loading. Other
loading may be cobs(corn)
hay Remember before autos a lot of hay was needed
in cities. Also lumber
or Ties. THere are photos of SP stock cars moving
Pulp Wood in the lumber
museum in Lufkin Tx.
Steve Holding
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Stock car decks


At 07:31 PM 6/9/2004, you wrote:
>In a message dated 6/9/04 7:36:04 PM,
rswebber@... writes:
>Animals to show at annual stock shows like
> > those moved from the Gunnison country to
Denver for the annual stock
shows
> > is another.
> >I know the C&O had headend cars to transport
prize cattle, horses,
and
> other
>livestock. Way different from a stockcar.
>Gene Moser
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In the case I was describing, the first part of
the trip (and depending
on
the year itself, the whole trip) was on the
narrow gauge, so the luxury
of
head end cars was not typically an option. It
is interesting to note
though that on the narrow gauge in Colorado (and
this is seen especially
on
the DSP&P) stock cars are often seen ahead of
baggage cars on passenger
trains, as a means to transport horses for the
passengers.

On the standard gauge D&RGW, the little that I
have seen also shows
stock
going to the shows in Denver via stock cars.
That whole area in Denver
supplied a nice variety of cars. One BRHS
Bulletin on reefers
highlighted
the area well, with many of the private, pool
and company-owned reefers
in
photos. Stock traffic from the UP, CB&Q, D&RGW
& C&S, (and less so
(AT&SF, CRIP) all had several peaks depending on
the season and the
various
shows.

And, I guess that is the key, amply demonstrated
by the information you
supplied - variety was prevalent and what one
railroad did with one
specific type of animal for one specific purpose
should not be construed
to
indicate how all animals on that route were
shipped.

There are lots of fun stories of granger road
railroaders and stock
trains
- how much they loved waiting for the stock to
be loaded at such lovely
locales, how the perfumed air titillated the
senses, how good times and
camaraderie was always to be had with the
'pokes, how there was always
agreement on shipping method, crowd control,
time, bedding, boots, food,
drink, etc.; how much empathy there was for the
stock being moved - a
wonderful industry all around....


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Re: Broadway's H2A is out

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jun 11, 2004, at 1:42 PM, blindog@... wrote
I know that certain members of this list don't think of them as
"significant cars" (ahem, "Hi Ted!"),
Not true! I am getting one, too. Even though I know you are not being malicious, for those who don't know, the article series in RMC is focused on cars that everyone can use, with the possible exception of someone modeling nothing, but ore movements on the DM&IR. While I don't dispute the significance of the H2/H2A/H3, I don't think that it's a car that Western modelers NEED, no disrespect to Mr. Brock or yourself intended. However, Mike can run his H2A on the track adjacent to the ones with the circus and unit pickle trains. Oops, I probably just got myself on "moderated" status.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Broadway's H2A is out

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I know that certain members of this list don't think of them as
"significant cars" (ahem, "Hi Ted!"), but for those that care, the Broadway
Limited N&W H2As have arrived. I'd say from first glance that these are
the nicest coal hoppers since the Bowser H43 "Beth Triple" (which is a
'60s-'70s car, so many of you probably have never bought one), and in at
least one way the BLIs are better: their representation of the Wine Door
Lock looks darn good. The ladder rungs also look very nice. Sure puts my
Eastern Car Works kit to shame, and that was no shake-the-box kit, my
friends.....

They ride on what look like 70-ton solid bearing trucks with three visible
spring groups, although I haven't had a chance to measure the wheelbase.
That alone is a very needed part.

H2s and H3s were delivered starting in the early '40s, with the H2As coming
after the war, and N&W kept buying them until the mid '50s, when the H10
went into production. N&W had a LOT of H2/H2A/H3s, something like 25,000
if memory serves.

Scott Chatfield


The Keystone Modeler No 11

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

The June issue of "The Keystone Modeler" is now online:
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler_N011.htm

STMFC items of interest include quick and dirty upgrades of the
Walthers/Train-Miniature X29 and lots of model photos from the
PRRT&HS Annual Meeting in Cinncinnati (including a G23 scratchbuilt
by Craig Bosseler). Constructive comments are always welcome. Enjoy!


Ben Hom


Re: Revell PFE plug door reefer

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
Has anyone ever seen this model up close enough to say
if some part of it represents a PFE R-40-26? For example
if the sides are good, I could toss the roof, ends and
floor and use Intermountain or other replacement parts.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5901611167

I'd go along with Tony's advice on this one regarding an R-40-26.
However, Stan Rydarowicz has successfully used this model, though I
can't remember what prototype he used this for, and he hasn't written
this project up yet. At any rate, he's gotten surprisingly good
results out of several "junk" reefer models, including some URTX
reefers out of the Mantua "Heavy" reefer with Red Caboose X29 ends
and roof (Railmodel Journal, September 2001). I owe him a phone call
anyway, so I'll ask him about his Revell reefer conversions.


Ben Hom


Re: Finished photos of Branchline 8-1-2

Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc. <elden.gatwood@...>
 

Don;
Greg is not the guilty one....

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: newrail@... [mailto:newrail@...]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:29 AM
To: tgregmrtn@...
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Finished photos of Branchline 8-1-2

Quoting tgregmrtn@...:

Hey Yuze Guys!

Now that Al Buchan has published, I suppose it is Okay to let you all
know
that there are completed and in process photos of the upcoming
Branchline 8-1-2
Pullman Sleeper in, the hot of the press, June issue of The Keystone
Modeler.
Here's a link...

http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler_N011.htm
<http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler_N011.htm>


My Lord, Greg! How to ruin a perfectly lovely Alco RS-11. First you
clutter it up with all that unnecessary crap all over the roof and then
you paint it Pennsy!!!! Shame on you! <VBG>

Don Valentine




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Re: Broadway Limited question

jerryglow2
 

Strangely (?) the same individual was associated with Oriental and now BLI.

Jerry in Fla


Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:09:48 -0400
From: "Denis F. Blake" <dblake2996@...>
Subject: Re: Broadway Limited question

Tim

Years ago, wasn't there a Powerhouse series of steam locomotives done by
someone else? The "Classics" part of the name makes me wonder if they are
doing the same engines again.....Reissuing the ones that Powerhouse did
years ago...Maybe I am nuts, but I do remember this name from somewhere.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake


Re: Great Northern Well Car GN 60002

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Just a guess would be for company sand service...
--
Brian Ehni



From: Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:05:38 -0400
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Great Northern Well Car GN 60002

Richard,

Neat photos. Thanks much for sharing them. Take a close look at photo
#3. To the left of the well hole car is a covered hopper. It is marked
GN X2978. 1958 seems very early to have a covered hopper in company
service. Do you, or anyone else, know the history of this car and the
type of service to which it was assigned? Sand?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Wilkens, Richard S wrote:

Not sure if I posted this here before. I put together a small web page of
photos of this car hauling a turbine wheel for the Seattle City Light powerhouse
at Diablo in 1958. Good detail photos as well as other shots of MILW gon and
FGEX steel reefer cars and others. The car is sitting on a barge.

Richard Wilkens

http://home.att.net/~wrpn/gn60002.html


Re: Great Northern Well Car GN 60002

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Richard,

Neat photos. Thanks much for sharing them. Take a close look at photo #3. To the left of the well hole car is a covered hopper. It is marked GN X2978. 1958 seems very early to have a covered hopper in company service. Do you, or anyone else, know the history of this car and the type of service to which it was assigned? Sand?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Wilkens, Richard S wrote:

Not sure if I posted this here before. I put together a small web page of photos of this car hauling a turbine wheel for the Seattle City Light powerhouse at Diablo in 1958. Good detail photos as well as other shots of MILW gon and FGEX steel reefer cars and others. The car is sitting on a barge.

Richard Wilkens

http://home.att.net/~wrpn/gn60002.html


Great Northern Well Car GN 60002

Wilkens, Richard S <richard.s.wilkens@...>
 

Not sure if I posted this here before. I put together a small web page of photos of this car hauling a turbine wheel for the Seattle City Light powerhouse at Diablo in 1958. Good detail photos as well as other shots of MILW gon and FGEX steel reefer cars and others. The car is sitting on a barge.

Richard Wilkens

http://home.att.net/~wrpn/gn60002.html


Re: Broadway Limited question

Don Valentine
 

Quoting "Denis F. Blake" <dblake2996@...>:

Tim

Years ago, wasn't there a Powerhouse series of steam locomotives done by
someone else? The "Classics" part of the name makes me wonder if they
are doing the same engines again.....Reissuing the ones that Powerhouse
did years ago...Maybe I am nuts, but I do remember this name from
somewhere.

The Powerhouse series was done by Anton (Tony) Wenzel of Oriental Limited.
Tony was originally a partner of Tom Marsh with Overland Models when Overland
was still in Colorado and, perhaps, for a short time in Indiana as well. The
use of the Powerhouse name by Broadway Limited is no coincidence since Tony
Wenzel is now Broadway Limited. The original series used Korean brass model
type drives but with cast metal boilers. Thus I suspect what you have now
will be like Broadway Limited's other models but without such things as sound.
Tony has always been a straight shooter so it would seem one could expect a
fair value for one's money.

Don Valentine


Stock car loadings

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Robert Kennedy" rfkennedy.dsm@w...Just
came across a tape showing the N&W loading bricks into a stock car.

I have a Henry Maywald color photo of a 40 ft. Rio Grande stock car
taken on Long Island in the '50s or '60s loaded with Spanish style
roofing tiles.

Ed Mines


Re: Broadway Limited question

C J Wyatt
 

<<Years ago, wasn't there a Powerhouse series of steam locomotives done by
someone else? The "Classics" part of the name makes me wonder if they are
doing the same engines again.....Reissuing the ones that Powerhouse did
years ago...Maybe I am nuts, but I do remember this name from somewhere.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake
NS Conductor
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS>>


Denis, IIRC, the Powerhouse series was done by Oriental Limited. Tony Wentzl
(sp?) was the principal behind OL and my understanding is that Broadway
Limited is his new company.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Broadway Limited question

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Done by the same guy, actually. Tony Wentzel (sp?) is/has been Oriental
Limited, Powerhouse, and now Broadway Limited.
--
Brian Ehni



From: "Denis F. Blake" <dblake2996@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:09:48 -0400
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway Limited question

Tim

Years ago, wasn't there a Powerhouse series of steam locomotives done by
someone else? The "Classics" part of the name makes me wonder if they are
doing the same engines again.....Reissuing the ones that Powerhouse did
years ago...Maybe I am nuts, but I do remember this name from somewhere.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake
NS Conductor
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: stmfc@... ; steamloco@...
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Broadway Limited question



I just noticed that Broadway has two product lines --
their "Paragon" series (most of what they make) and the
"Powerhouse Classics" series. What gives? Are Powerhouse
models of a lower quality?? They're doing a Light USRA
2-8-2 in Paragon but the Heavy USRA 2-8-2 is Powerhouse?

The PRR stock cars are Powerhouse but the N&W hoppers
are Paragon!



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Sterling, Massachusetts 01564


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Re: Broadway Limited question

Denis F. Blake <dblake2996@...>
 

Tim

Years ago, wasn't there a Powerhouse series of steam locomotives done by someone else? The "Classics" part of the name makes me wonder if they are doing the same engines again.....Reissuing the ones that Powerhouse did years ago...Maybe I am nuts, but I do remember this name from somewhere.

Regards,

Denis F. Blake
NS Conductor
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: stmfc@... ; steamloco@...
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Broadway Limited question



I just noticed that Broadway has two product lines --
their "Paragon" series (most of what they make) and the
"Powerhouse Classics" series. What gives? Are Powerhouse
models of a lower quality?? They're doing a Light USRA
2-8-2 in Paragon but the Heavy USRA 2-8-2 is Powerhouse?

The PRR stock cars are Powerhouse but the N&W hoppers
are Paragon!



Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
Sterling, Massachusetts 01564


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