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Re: Intermountain PRR B60B

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

newrail@... wrote:

Quoting Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>:

IM has PRR B60Bs on the web site. Are these Bethlehem Car Works
tooling built up into RTR models?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

I believe that is correct, Ted, though from what John Greene has
stated
to me I thought he had sold the B60 tooling to ECW.

Don Valentine
Don,

John told me the same thing, but the PRR B60b is listed in
Intermountain's web site as a complimentary product of Bethlehem Car Works.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Broadway's H2A is out

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Tim,

That is a good question! I do not have the HC-469 set and my copy of
the last catalog does not show the HC-49 revised, nor is this set listed
in the signature section. My lst Champ update is 4-6-04 and I do not
see a revision on it, but that only means that I may have missed an
update between the one that I have from early last year and the latest
sheet. Perhaps someone else on the list can tell us if these new sets
are correct.

My reason for getting the N&W Historical Society sets was to get the
correct 7" end lettering and the correct size numbers. The sets that I
received where for the H2a and H9 set and are 50-Ton cars according to
the marking on the order sheet and packaging. The unnumbered cars come
lettered, just unnumbered. If the Champ set are good, then I will get a
few with my next order.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware



Tim O'Connor wrote:


Unfortunately, Champ's set for N&W has 21" lettering: 4" too large for
the early 17" lettering and 3" too small for the 24" lettering.
Tom, they made 3 sets -- HC-49, HC-49 revised, and HC-469. Are all
three sets wrong?



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Re: Intermountain PRR B60B

Tim O'Connor
 

IM has PRR B60Bs on the web site. Are these Bethlehem Car Works
tooling built up into RTR models?

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Yes, but note the kit lacks a model underframe and has very
little underbody detail. Much of this was visible from the
side of the prototype. The steam line in particular was a
fat insulated pipe slung underneath the center sill.


Re: NYC open top cars

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jun 13, 2004, at 1:47 PM, ed_mines wrote:

When did NYC switch painting hoppers from freight car red to black?
I have a builders photo of a 2 bay NYC offset hopper built around
1940 that is definitely red (the oval in the herald is black).

Did NYC ever paint gons freight car red?
Ed:

I don't know the date, but the scenario is reversed. They went from black to red. Yes gons, were red, but again, I don't know the exact transition date from black to red.

Regards,
Ted


Re: "Combination" Diagonal Panel/Murphy Panel Roof

Don Valentine
 

Good point, Scott. Id forgotten about the "stretchers" and don't think
I've ever examined the roof of one!

Don Valentine

Quoting Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>:

I guess an owner could RETROFIT diagonal-panel roofed box cars with four
Murphys at the appropriate locations to mount auto racks...
In other cases you can see mismatched panels here-and-there along the
roof, apparently as repairs.
Of course a fairly common example is an old 40' car stretched to 50',
which will often have three diagonal panels in the center.
Scott Pitzer
-------------

Since it is understood that the cars Ed Hawkins listed were
constructed
with the "combination" roofs this seems to indicate that panels of the
two
types could be used together, though how easy or difficult it was to
fit
them is not indicated. It does, however, open up the question as to
whether
or not some cars might have been repaired in such a manner when a roof
repair was made at a facility having a panel that would "fit" but not
of
a matching type. Clearly this must have occured with some roof repairs
over the years.

Don Valentine


black over red

ed_mines
 

I recently saw some freight car red CR hoppers repainted black by
CSX.

The red shows through. Some original CR red hoppers were in a long
line of CSX black ones.

Can anyone ever recall seeing this in the steam era? NYC switched
from freight car red to black some time in the '40s.

The paint CSX used may be a newer waterbased type unavailable in the
classic era.

Am I correct that freight cars are usually repained over the old
paint, i.e. not stripped?

Has any ever seen a model where the original markings are peeking
out through the newer paint?

Ed


NYC open top cars

ed_mines
 

When did NYC switch painting hoppers from freight car red to black?
I have a builders photo of a 2 bay NYC offset hopper built around
1940 that is definitely red (the oval in the herald is black).

Did NYC ever paint gons freight car red?

Ed


Re: "Combination" Diagonal Panel/Murphy Panel Roof

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks to the good directions supplied by Ron
Sebastian (of Des Plaines Hobbies), Several
out-of-towners visiting during Martin's FreightFest,
myself included, viewed 2 surviving GTW Auto Boxcars
being used for storage for a local business. Of the 2,
besides the auto end-loading door, one car had 6 or 7
diagonal panel replacements midfield. Cool,
especially since the cars are still adorned with
original RR paint, and are still on rails! Chicago;
what a cool place to visit.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: "Combination" Diagonal Panel/Murphy Panel Roof

Scott Pitzer
 

I guess an owner could RETROFIT diagonal-panel roofed box cars with four Murphys at the appropriate locations to mount auto racks...
In other cases you can see mismatched panels here-and-there along the roof, apparently as repairs.
Of course a fairly common example is an old 40' car stretched to 50', which will often have three diagonal panels in the center.
Scott Pitzer
-------------

Since it is understood that the cars Ed Hawkins listed were constructed
with the "combination" roofs this seems to indicate that panels of the two
types could be used together, though how easy or difficult it was to fit
them is not indicated. It does, however, open up the question as to whether
or not some cars might have been repaired in such a manner when a roof
repair was made at a facility having a panel that would "fit" but not of
a matching type. Clearly this must have occured with some roof repairs
over the years.

Don Valentine


Re: Intermountain PRR B60B

Richard Hendrickson
 

IM has PRR B60Bs on the web site. Are these Bethlehem Car Works
tooling built up into RTR models?
Yes.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Intermountain PRR B60B

Don Valentine
 

Quoting Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>:

IM has PRR B60Bs on the web site. Are these Bethlehem Car Works
tooling built up into RTR models?

Regards,
Ted Culotta

I believe that is correct, Ted, though from what John Greene has stated
to me I thought he had sold the B60 tooling to ECW.

Don Valentine


Intermountain PRR B60B

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

IM has PRR B60Bs on the web site. Are these Bethlehem Car Works tooling built up into RTR models?

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: UTLX X-3 Tank Car [faked-from]

Richard Hendrickson
 

Charlie, last month you wrote:

I provided Sunshine with General American Tank Corp general arrangement
blueprints for several tank cars. I believe that these drawings were used
for the X-3 underframe. Contact me at charles.dean@....
I'm currently talking to a couple of manufacturers who are interested in
the possibility of producing HO scale models of GATC tank cars in either
styrene or resin, and I would be very interested to know what GATC drawings
you have. As you're probably aware, drawings of AC&F cars are readily
available but GATC apparently trashed the company files of both drawings
and builder's photo many years ago, so prototype data on their cars is
scarce. Knowing what's available in the way of drawings would be a great
help in planning future projects.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Stock car loadings

Steve Sandifer <jssand@...>
 

1955 National Car Loadings for Stock Cars


Commodity Loads %
Cattle & Horses 261,100 61%
Hogs 102,600 24%
Sheep & Goats 58,400 14%
Watermelons 1,600
Brick and Tile 1,400
Sorghum grain 800
Ceramic sewer pipe 600
Tomatoes 300
Railroad ties 300
Total 427,100


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----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Stock car loadings


--- In STMFC@..., "Robert Kennedy" rfkennedy.dsm@w...Just
came across a tape showing the N&W loading bricks into a stock car.

I have a Henry Maywald color photo of a 40 ft. Rio Grande stock car
taken on Long Island in the '50s or '60s loaded with Spanish style
roofing tiles.

Ed Mines


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Re: P2K 8000 gal Tank Cars

Maurizio Scarpa <jdundun@...>
 

Il giorno 12-06-2004 11:05, George A. Walls, Frisco1306@... ha
scritto:
Hi George,

try at trainworld.com , I bought many,some time ago at a very good price.

Maurizio Scarpa

Hi Folks,
I want to buy 6 P2K 8000 gal. Undec Tank Cars. If anyone has any
they would like to sell, please contact off list.

George Walls





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Re: Revell PFE plug door reefer

Richard Townsend
 

The greatest problem with these cars, besides the relatively crude detailing, is that the sides are not tall enough to accurately represent their prototype. The ends and roof are junk. One could replace the ends with the DW 4/4 end and put a new roof on, but the best you could say is this it would be a stand-in until someone brings out an accurate model.

I have used the sides from two of these cars, with a 50' overhanging roof and the 4/4 end to approximate a B&M milk car, but that's about the only use I have been able to make of them.

And don't pay $15.99 for one. They are always at Timonium and other shows for a few bucks each.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

Tim O'Connor asked:
Has anyone ever seen this model up close enough to say
if some part of it represents a PFE R-40-26? For example
if the sides are good, I could toss the roof, ends and
floor and use Intermountain or other replacement parts.
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Films

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

At the St. Charles show, I picked up a book entitled Railroad Film Directory, put out by the AAR in 1953.

One of the films is entitled "Loading of Motor and rail Carriers - Part I: Box cars".
The description indicates to apply at United World Films. It is an 16 minute sound b/w film that shows how to brace mixed loads and how to protect cargoes. Interestingly enough, produced by the US Army. (Another film is "Low-cost L.C.L. Handling).

United World Films is listed as being all over the country, with offices in New York, Chicago , Dallas, Hollywood, Atlanta, etc.

Other films include how to make steel, how to carry coal, how to handle peaches, or potatoes, or wines, etc.; pig iron; mining; Fast Freight, Freight Trains at Work, Freight Yards; etc. etc. - bottom line is an obviously interesting source of detail and information - and a likely frustrating search.

All of the sources at the time - whether railroads, AAR, or other distributors are listed. Over 250 films, dealing with safety, business, passenger ops, etc. I wonder where a first place to look for these might be? The AAR? NARA? Railroads themselves (UP has tons listed)? This is the 3rd edition, meaning, I would imagine, that films are updated as well as the listings, which would mean, I would guess, that older films might be tossed....


Re: Photos - was Armour reefers

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

just a reminder - for those in Chicagoland - Bob's Photos will be in St. Charles today & tomorrow with a LOT of photos.

At 03:00 PM 6/12/2004, you wrote:
Armour bought steel reefers in the 1-2134 series in Feb 49. In 1959 the Minneapolis & St Louis RY rebuilt Armour reefers in their


Re: Sunshine question

Paul Lyons
 

Jon, The auto frame loads are readily avavalible from J.J.M. Railroad
Enterprises, PO Box 1273, Elgin , IL 60121. I do not know if they sell direct, but
there were about six boxes of them at the Original Whistle Stop in Pasadena when
I was there this afternoon. Could you post the Sunshine kit model and
respective kit numbers that Martin is going to have at Wichita. Thanks
Paul Lyons
Oceanside, CA


Re: Armour reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Clark Probst:

Armour bought steel reefers in the 1-2134 series in Feb 49. In 1959 the
Minneapolis & St Louis RY rebuilt Armour reefers in their Marshalltown
Iowa shops. These cars were numbered in the 7000 and 8000 series. The only
difference in the cars I can see is the 1-2134 cars have a tabbed side
sill and the cars rebuilt into the 7000 and 8000 series had straight side
sills.
Could the 1-2134 cars been renumbered when rebuilt with straight side sills?
My newest ORER CD is for 1-59 so it does not show the 7000 or 8000
series cars only the 1-2134 cars.
I would appreciate the help of anyone with a newer ORER or anyone with
knowledge of these cars.
Clark, the 1/62 ORER shows 501 cars in the ARLX 1-2000 series, 27 cars in
the 7001-7999 series, and 169 cars in the 8001-8999 series. There were
also 95 cars in the 9000-10999 series which were dimensionally identical to
the 7001 and 8001 series reefers, as well as several other series of cars
whose dimensions suggest that they were renumbered/rebuilt steel cars like
those of the 1-2000 series.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520