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Re: Need help identifying boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Sure looks like another Missouri Pacific car to me. I
think this is one of the cars available from Westerfield.

Hello everyone,

There is a Wellsville, Addison & Galeton boxcar I need help to
identify. It's a single sheathed wooden boxcar, WAG series 7000-7020
(or higher). There is a photo of 7019 at:

http://www.s363.com/images/wag/wagobbox.jpg

This series likely arrived in 1958, but possibly as early as 1956. Any
modeling suggestions would be welcome. Also, if anyone wants to take
a stab at that gondola behind it, I'm all ears!

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Tim O'Connor
 

There was once a discussion "Kadee vs. Plano" in which it was
reasoned that Plano is too thin.

Manfred, the Plano parts are .010" or .87" HO scale. A prototype
APEX running board is 1.00" thick. If you can see a 1/8" HO scale
difference then you've got much better eyesight than me! I think
the Kadee, like all plastic running boards, are too thick.

Open grid tank cars runways, on the other hand, are 2" thick. It
would be nice to have etched metal parts for those.


street elbow

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Garth Groff <ggg9y@v...> wrote:
Friends, Bruce and Richard's excellent comments on dome platforms
brings to mind a tank car need we've had for a long time: castings
for "L" and "Y" shaped safety valves that were used on new equipment
up until the 1920s or so.

Those "L" shaped fittings with male treads on one leg (going into
the dome) and female threads on the other leg are called "street
elbows".


Ed


Re: Need help identifying boxcar

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Heiden wrote:
I think the WAG's gondola fleet was a collection of one of a kinds
(or a few of a kinds).

We can say that about their entire freight car fleet, or for that
matter, the freight car fleets of all of the Salzburg roads.


Ben Hom


Re: Need help identifying boxcar

Mark Heiden
 

Thanks for the identity of the boxcar, Richard. The part in my
original message about the gondola was a desparate hope that someone
might recognize the end of it. I think the WAG's gondola fleet was a
collection of one of a kinds (or a few of a kinds).

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

I can't help with the gondola, as not enough of it is visible.
However the
box car is unmistakably ex-Northern Pacific 14500-14999 (NP Brainerd
Shops
1931-'32) or 20000-20499 (NP Laurel Shops 1931-'32). Sunshine has
recently
issued resin kits for these cars.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Need help identifying boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

Mark Heiden writes:

There is a Wellsville, Addison & Galeton boxcar I need help to
identify. It's a single sheathed wooden boxcar, WAG series 7000-7020
(or higher). There is a photo of 7019 at:

http://www.s363.com/images/wag/wagobbox.jpg

This series likely arrived in 1958, but possibly as early as 1956. Any
modeling suggestions would be welcome. Also, if anyone wants to take
a stab at that gondola behind it, I'm all ears!
I can't help with the gondola, as not enough of it is visible. However the
box car is unmistakably ex-Northern Pacific 14500-14999 (NP Brainerd Shops
1931-'32) or 20000-20499 (NP Laurel Shops 1931-'32). Sunshine has recently
issued resin kits for these cars.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Bruce's Trains hoppers (was: broken plastic parts)

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim,

Note that some of the hopper cars Bruce's Trains offers are also correct
for other roads. Their HG-21 hopper was also used by the WP, and I think
the C&NW.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim O'Connor wrote:


Bowser made styrene see-through walks for their ACF hoppers that
are pretty good. And the ready-to-run resin SP freight cars from
Bruce's Train Shop include a hopper car with see-through resin
end platforms . . . .


Re: broken plastic parts - reasonable thickness?

Brian Chapman <cornbeltroute@...>
 

There was once a discussion "Kadee vs. Plano" in which it was
reasoned that Plano is too thin. <

K&S offers brass sheet in .016 inch thickness (1.392 inches in real
world, if modeling HO). Just after opinions here: Would .016 give a
better appearance than .010 thickness metal perhaps and yet be
acceptable with a thickness 40 percent greater than the prototype?

Thanks,

Brian Chapman
Cedar Rapids, Iowa


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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 01:13 PM 7/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:
It may be the material that Branchline uses .It doesn't seem to be
the same as Red Caboose or Interrmountain or Kadee.Armand premo
Branchline seems to make everything from styrene - the only successful see-thru plastic walks I've seen have been delrin. Styrene at least can be painted.

Andy


Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Tim O'Connor
 

Manfred wrote

Last year I got my sample of the quality when I bought the NP
convention car. I had to dig through 5 boxes before I found one with
acceptable roofwalks whose grids were not partly filled and then I
later discovered that I only exchanged that for broken, bent and
short-shot ladders and brake lines and a not too good a decal
(printing) job.
Although I have never had any paint or printing problems with
Branchline cars, I guess I have low expectations when it comes
to plastic detail parts -- I am never surprised to find broken
ladders, flash-filled running boards, etc. But it doesn't bother
me because for years I replaced so much stuff that I have a good
supply of spare parts -- in most cases, better than what comes
in the kits. And since I always use etched parts to represent
metal running boards, I have a huge supply of plastic boards. I
am surprised they shipped replacement parts in a soft envelope.
Sounds like somebody screwed up.


Need help identifying boxcar

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

There is a Wellsville, Addison & Galeton boxcar I need help to
identify. It's a single sheathed wooden boxcar, WAG series 7000-7020
(or higher). There is a photo of 7019 at:

http://www.s363.com/images/wag/wagobbox.jpg

This series likely arrived in 1958, but possibly as early as 1956. Any
modeling suggestions would be welcome. Also, if anyone wants to take
a stab at that gondola behind it, I'm all ears!

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Mine came in a padded envelope, too, but the parts were taped to some heavy
cardstock.

Sounds like a Branchline error to me. I would have requested another pair,
telling them to pack better.
--
Brian Ehni



From: Manfred Lorenz <germanfred55@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:12:07 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@b...> wrote:
I've begun replacing all my Branchline roofwalks with Kadee, Plano
or DA parts.

The see-through effect is much better.  Based on the thickness of
the Branchline roofwalks
-----------------

There was once a discussion "Kadee vs. Plano" in which it was
reasoned that Plano is too thin.

----------------
I do not believe Branchline intended for their roofwalks to be see-
through.

When I have missing or broken Branckline parts the replacemnts were
sent in a paddeed envelope.
----------------

Padding is useless if the envelope gets bent. The nice and thin brake
rods don't take this.

Manfred


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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

armprem
 

It may be the material that Branchline uses .It doesn't seem to be
the same as Red Caboose or Interrmountain or Kadee.Armand premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Harman" <andy10@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)


At 12:44 PM 7/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:

I do not believe Branchline intended for their roofwalks to be
see-through.

I saw some early samples which would have been see-through, but too many
problems filling the mold. Kadee's method must be a trade secret. BL
compromised by tooling a see-thru overhang on the ends and making the rest
solid. But I still prefer to use the Kadee walks when I take the time to
change them.

Andy





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Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Manfred Lorenz
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@b...> wrote:
I've begun replacing all my Branchline roofwalks with Kadee, Plano
or DA parts.

The see-through effect is much better.  Based on the thickness of
the Branchline roofwalks
-----------------

There was once a discussion "Kadee vs. Plano" in which it was
reasoned that Plano is too thin.

----------------
I do not believe Branchline intended for their roofwalks to be see-
through.

When I have missing or broken Branckline parts the replacemnts were
sent in a paddeed envelope.
----------------

Padding is useless if the envelope gets bent. The nice and thin brake
rods don't take this.

Manfred


Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 12:44 PM 7/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:

I do not believe Branchline intended for their roofwalks to be see-through.
I saw some early samples which would have been see-through, but too many problems filling the mold. Kadee's method must be a trade secret. BL compromised by tooling a see-thru overhang on the ends and making the rest solid. But I still prefer to use the Kadee walks when I take the time to change them.

Andy


Re: broken plastic parts (was charter revision)

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I've begun replacing all my Branchline roofwalks with Kadee, Plano or DA parts.

The see-through effect is much better.  Based on the thickness of the Branchline roofwalks

I do not believe Branchline intended for their roofwalks to be see-through.

When I have missing or broken Branckline parts the replacemnts were sent in a paddeed envelope.

Brian C

Cheektowaga NY

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:02:03 -0700, Tim O'Connor wrote
Manfred wrote

Last year I got my sample of the quality when I bought the NP
convention car. I had to dig through 5 boxes before I found one with
acceptable roofwalks whose grids were not partly filled and then I
later discovered that I only exchanged that for broken, bent and
short-shot ladders and brake lines and a not too good a decal
(printing) job.
Although I have never had any paint or printing problems with
Branchline cars, I guess I have low expectations when it comes
to plastic detail parts -- I am never surprised to find broken
ladders, flash-filled running boards, etc. But it doesn't bother
me because for years I replaced so much stuff that I have a good
supply of spare parts -- in most cases, better than what comes
in the kits. And since I always use etched parts to represent
metal running boards, I have a huge supply of plastic boards. I
am surprised they shipped replacement parts in a soft envelope.
Sounds like somebody screwed up.


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Re: BLI hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Chuck Hladik wrote:
"I believe that Bill Moesteller at Great Decals does the N&W Decals,
but not sure as I don't model that particular line. Check with Bill
at wsm@... ."

I checked both his decals and Model Railroad Services (Tom English)
earlier this morning. Bill's only N&W set is for Class BL-4 ballast
hoppers, and while the Model Railroad Services line has an extensive
selection of N&W decals, they surprisingly don't cover the 70-ton
cars, though there might be enough in their 50-ton sets to make
someone else's 70-ton sets better.

http://www.greatdecals.com/
http://www.chesterfieldhobbies.com/CHMRS001.htm

Both of these decal lines are also available through the N&W
Historical Society:
http://commissary.nwhs.org/cgi-
bin/SoftCart.exe/ec2/shelf_decalsroot.html?L+ecomm+zhcg9187+1089321089


Ben Hom


Re: BLI hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy Miller wrote

I really think ECW did a good job on these. I have built 6. They are
not without their flaws, but can be made into a decent model - and their
construction may involve less work than modifying the BLI car for Kadee's.
I have to agree with Andy. I have seen both versions now and
the ECW model is pretty good looking.


Re: BLI hoppers

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 01:33 AM 7/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:
No. I really think ECW did a good job on these. I have built 6. They are
not without their flaws, but can be made into a decent model - and their
construction may involve less work than modifying the BLI car for Kadee's.
If you can clean up ECW's moldings, remove the molded-on grabs, drill them out and replace them, assemble the car, paint and letter it (with what decals?) faster than I can dremel away a couple of nubs, then I _am_ impressed.

Then again if you are trying to get me to admit that it's not that big of a deal to modify the BLI pockets, ok there you go. I still shouldn't have to do it on a $25 car. There are people who think it's ok to have to rebuild or replace trucks on a $400 brass passenger car. I do it if I have to, but that doesn't make it ok.

I started on an ECW H-2 about a year ago, and then put it on hold after the BLI announcement. It's one of their better kits and nowhere near as lifeless as an LBF product, to say something nice about it. It's rough and ill fitting like most ECW stuff though. The lack of any correct decals kind of chased me away at the time. Microscale still does not make any N&W hopper decals, only a generic freight set which is not appropriate for hoppers in the pre-1971 era. There are some other sources for decals including After Hours, but his caboose set was disappointing, so I haven't looked closely at the hopper set to see if it's all there. I think it's correct for the H-11 and H-12 series, but not older.

Andy


Re: charter revision

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Every time I¹ve found defective parts in a Branchline kit, they have been
replaced promptly with well-packed replacements. YMMV.
--
Brian Ehni



From: Manfred Lorenz <germanfred55@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:25:31 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: charter revision

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:
...
Branchline cars will sell to people who care about quality and
accuracy. Those people may buy a Walthers car or two that happens
to be accurate, mostly by accident, ...
Even being in danger to jump the boundaries of the list statutes I
like to take issue with Branchline (freight cars) being quality items.

Last year I got my sample of the quality when I bought the NP
convention car. I had to dig through 5 boxes before I found one with
acceptable roofwalks whose grids were not partly filled and then I
later discovered that I only exchanged that for broken, bent and
short-shot ladders and brake lines and a not too good a decal
(printing) job.

Given the fact that these cars needed 8-rung ladders I even did not
get a proper replacement. The replacement parts were then poorly
packed (soft envelope) so they suffered damage during shipment which
made them unusable again. In to the bin.

Sunshine in contrast sent replacement parts in a box which provided
protection against damage.

Sunshine 1, Branchline 0.

Manfred

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