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Re: Kadee #4s (was: Kadee #58s) #4s

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Don Valentine wrote:
"How about when you view a single car from the side, Ben, or the cars
of a train as we usually see them. The effect then is considerably
different, though I cannot dispute your point when a car is viewed
only from an end."

That is true - my point is that using just the #58 coupler isn't
going to solve all of your appearance woes. You need to consider the
appearance of the draft gear, or the entire model for that matter. I
get a kick out of watching people slap #58s into unmodified Athearn
40 ft boxcars and then declare the job done.


Ben Hom


Re: TP Boxcar

Shawn Beckert
 

Jerry,

Are you thinking of "Mr. Surfacer" by Gunze? The military
model guys use it to fill cracks and pits after puttying,
but I don't know how well it would fill grooved siding on
boxcars without cracking. It's my understanding you have
to sand and fill repeatedly with it as well. Ugh...


Shawn Beckert


Re: Kadee #4s (was: Kadee #58s) #4s

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 01:06 PM 7/15/2004 -0400, you wrote:
How aboiut whejn you view a single car from the side, Ben, or the cars
of a train as we usually see them. The effect then is considerably different,
though I cannot dispute your point when a car is viewed only from an end.
The same can be said about code 88 or other narrow tread wheels. They go to waste tucked under the sill of a modern box car, but in an end view of a hopper car, they make a world of difference.

Andy


Re: BLI Hopper Mods

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 10:45 PM 7/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:

Couplers are a funny thing, Andy. I know of at least two Master Model
Railroaders, both now deceased, who were still using Mantua loop couplers
into the late 1960's, in one case, and early 1970's, in the other case.
I think they both had so much equipment they just didn't want to change.
If I had a well established layout today, and no plans to do a major makeover, I'd probably stay with Kadee 5's for everything just to remain compatible. But lacking a real layout, and even though I've got tons of rolling stock, only a small percentage of it is really "grade A" in that it is up to my standards and fits my era, I can dabble a bit. But I will end up making a choice at some point - either the operability between different brands and styles of couplers will improve, or one brand will emerge a clear winner. Right now, I'm using 58s but I'm not beyond backtracking. However, once layout construction starts - a year or two away I'm afraid - I will probably weigh my options and go with my best gut feel. If I had to make that choice today, it would be the 58/78 head and whatever draft gear works.

Andy


Re: BLI Hopper Mods

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

I just installed 58's on two new freight cars I am building in my hotel
room, and they do not have the gap! I often build car kits when traveling
on business. Its better than anything on TV.

Regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee [mailto:schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:17 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] BLI Hopper Mods




-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Miller [mailto:asmiller@mitre.org]
good looking coupler. The Kadee 58 has a
noticeable gap
between the knuckle and the "fist", which is why
I have
stopped using them.
Andy, I've read (right here!) that Kadee's revised
the 58 so as to reduce the gaposis problem.

I haven't seen them, though, so can't give any
first-hand info.

SGL





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Re: Kadee #4s (was: Kadee #58s) #4s

Don Valentine
 

Quoting benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>:


FWIW, my $.02 on the #58 - I think it's wasted when you mount it in
the "Athearn standard" #5 coupler pocket, because now it really draws
attention to the fact that the draft gear is too wide and shallow. I
feel that the net improvement in appearance is zero.

How aboiut whejn you view a single car from the side, Ben, or the cars
of a train as we usually see them. The effect then is considerably different,
though I cannot dispute your point when a car is viewed only from an end.

Don Valentine


Re: Kadee #4s (was: Kadee #58s) #4s

Joe Binish <joebinish@...>
 

Ben et al,
I have to agree that the 58 in the wide/shallow dg looks silly, but the
closer to correct 58 looks good when coupled to another in a freight train.
We have not noticed any operational problems on my buddy Rich Remiarz's GN
layout, although we haven't opped lately, as Rich keeps tearing up the track
work to make it "better!"
Joe Binish


Re: B&O S1 and S2 stock/sheep cars????

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ben Hom said:
Not on the Class S-1 and S-2 stock cars ("stretch" M-26
conversions). The scheme that Tim describes was applies on a group
of leased 50 ft stockcars converted from rebuilt Santa Fe double-
sheathed auto boxcars. I don't have much more detail on these cars
save a nice color photo of NISX 4026 from Bob's Photos, which shows
this car after its lease on the B&O expired, still in the aluminum
and blue scheme, but with the B&O lettering painted out.
Immediately after the B&O lease ended, the cars were leased to SP for at least two years, but I don't know when that lease ended.

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2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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WLE 30000-30049 and 30050-30149

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I remember some discussion of this recently, but I don't recall that there was resolution. Does anyone know much about these groups of auto cars? The only photo I have seen shows a small part of 30137. The end is a 5/5/5 Murphy with a large blank area at the top and additions to the ends to increase the width. The roof looks to be a Viking roof.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Globe Freight Car Models (was Kadee #58s)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
I don't think there were any "Globe" plastic freight car kits, but I
might be wrong because Irv apparently established the Globe label to
distance the cheap plastic stuff from the standard Athearn cast and
stamped metal freight car line...

Not exactly. Athearn did market some of their metal kits under the
Globe label -

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&rd=1&item=2257198525&category=484

- but they also offered a stock car kit with plastic sides that was
pretty close to UP Class S-40-10. The problem with the early stock
car kits was that the plastic used was dimensionally unstable, and
the sides shrank with age. I've got a couple stock car carcasses
where the sides have shrunk considerably. They did correct this
later (I've got another one of these cars MIB with good sides);
however, this did nothing but feed the fire in the "plastic vs metal"
debate during the 1950s.


Ben Hom


Re: Kadee #58s Was; BLI Hopper mods. #58s

Charlie Vlk
 

Off topic for STMFC, but the first Athearn flat plastic kits for passenger
cars were, like the F7s, sold under the "Globe" brand. I don't think there
were any "Globe" plastic freight car kits, but I might be wrong because Irv
apparently established the Globe label to distance the cheap plastic stuff
from the standard Athearn cast and stamped metal freight car line (many may
not know, like Varney, was started in Chicago which was a hotbed of early
model manufacturers).
Ye gads, Garth, you've reminded me that I bought NEW kits with ring-style
dummy couplers!!!!
Charlie Vlk


Re: Kadee #4s (was: Kadee #58s) #4s

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
"Who continues to use Kadee #4s today? Well those of us who delight
in restoring to new use old cars from the '50s; and an unknown number
of you out there who love the springy slack action that results from
the actions of a string of these cars. However, attempting to insert
a tiny filler piece inside one of the tiny coupler shank springs (to
reduce run-out), and then inserting these springs in place for and
aft of the coupler box post while holding the whole assembly together
is a balancing act not for the faint hearted- and I avoid these
couplers whenever I can do so."

From an operational standpoint, I really liked the old #4s. This
spring design gave it a reliable centering action superior than that
provided by the stamped leaf spring of the #5.

FWIW, my $.02 on the #58 - I think it's wasted when you mount it in
the "Athearn standard" #5 coupler pocket, because now it really draws
attention to the fact that the draft gear is too wide and shallow. I
feel that the net improvement in appearance is zero.


Ben Hom


Re: B&O S1 and S2 stock/sheep cars????

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Basden asked:
"B&O S1 S2 Stock and sheep cars.

I need to know what number series these cars carried during there
life time?

Was the color basicly Box/freight car red, or did they ever run with
a more reddish color like the round roof cabooses?"


Tim O'Connor replied:
"The S-1 series as far as I know, was 113100-113407."

Correct. Additionally, the S-2 series was 114000-114066.


"The cars were painted alumimum or very pale blue, with a blue stripe
with the words LIVESTOCK SPECIAL BALTIMORE & OHIO. Quite striking!"

Not on the Class S-1 and S-2 stock cars ("stretch" M-26
conversions). The scheme that Tim describes was applies on a group
of leased 50 ft stockcars converted from rebuilt Santa Fe double-
sheathed auto boxcars. I don't have much more detail on these cars
save a nice color photo of NISX 4026 from Bob's Photos, which shows
this car after its lease on the B&O expired, still in the aluminum
and blue scheme, but with the B&O lettering painted out.

The S-1 and S-2 conversions had the billboard "B & O" with the small
ampersand plus reporting marks. All of the photos that I have access
to are black and white, but I'd go with the oxide red recommended by
Chris barkan last month. I have never seen any B&O freight car from
the late 1950s - early 1960s painted in their reddish caboose color.

See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock cars in the East" in the
January 1993 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for more information
on these plus the late 1950s - early 1960s PRR, Erie, and Wabash
stockcar conversions.


Ben Hom


Re: TP boxcar

jerryglow2
 

I believe Tamyia makes a liquid filler product which I had often
toyed with applying to a model too fill the seams. Anyone ever
thought of or tryed this?

Jerry in Fla

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ogden" <sjogden@w...> wrote:
..... Now if there was only a way to fill in the half inch gaps
between the boards on the MDC/Roundhouse cars we would be in business.



Jim Ogden


Re: Kadee #58s Was; BLI Hopper mods. #58s

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dick,

When I was very young, I had an early Athearn plastic kit for a streamlined coach (the sides, ends and roof were all separate). It came with metal ring dummy couplers.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Richard Dermody wrote:

I can't remember if the very first Athearn (ca. 1957) plastic kits came with
metal dummy couplers (I want to say no, but can't prove it), but they
certainly had NMRA RP-25 couplers by the time of the first review in MR of
July 1957 and the Athearn ad in the same issue - both mention or display the
NMRA RP-25.

That same issue had a Kadee ad for their new quick adapting couplers for the
"ATHERN" (sic) plastic freight cars. This had the formed bronze spring but
was the straight pin Kadee (pre Magne-Matic) uncoupling pin.

I have some of the Athearn ring-shank dummies you refer to, but I believe
they came with earlier metal kits. The last inclusion in a kit I remember
was with the Athearn (Globe) F-7 dummy units, of the gold-painted, $.98
variety.

Dick


Re: Kadee #118 top shelf coupler

Tim O'Connor
 

The Type F that existed in the 1950's was a "tightlock"
design. It prevented cars from uncoupling as a result of
vertical motion. I can't imagine how Kadee could make a
good looking Type F tightlock that worked with existing
Kadee #5's. But a shelf coupler is relatively easy when
compared to that!

I don't think they are a steam-era design<
I was told "some" shelf couplers would fit my era. I don't remember the
entire dissertation but hopefully someone will jump in here that does.

Jon Miller


Re: B&O S1 and S2 stock/sheep cars????

Tim O'Connor
 

B&O S1 S2 Stock and sheep cars.

I need to know what number series these cars carried during there
life time?

Was the color basicly Box/freight car red, or did they ever run with
a more reddish color like the round roof cabooses?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bill Basden

The S-1 series as far as I know, was 113100-113407. The cars
were painted alumimum or very pale blue, with a blue stripe
with the words LIVESTOCK SPECIAL BALTIMORE & OHIO. Quite
striking!


Re: TP boxcar

Brad Bourbina <bbbourb@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ogden [mailto:sjogden@worldnet.att.net]
Subject: Re: [STMFC] re: TP boxcar
"Now if there was only a way to fill in the half inch gaps between the
boards on the MDC/Roundhouse cars we would be in business."

Eh...putty, sand, repeat. Putty, sand, repeat.
Brad Bourbina
Vice-President MPHS


helium car CORRECT markings

Earl Myers <emyers5@...>
 

Gents;
Anybody know what the correct owner/leasor markings are for the helium cars and how many in the WW2 era??
Earl Myers


ERIE Train N 78 Marion to Kent 3-16-31

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have this information as an Excel spreadsheet.
If anybody's interested, please contact me off
list. Mr Tuson, Mr Gilbert, I am awaiting your
call . . .

SGL



ERIE Railroad Company

Train List

Departure: Akron OH

Date: 3/6/1931

Time: 12:20 PM

Arrival: Kent OH

Time: not noted

Train: N 78

Engine 3327

Conductor: J G Miller Could be J C
Miller

Sequence Mark Adj Car No. Commodity
Tons Destination ORER Desig
Description IL IH Doors CF
CAPY Type Region Notes
1 B4 (Big 4) 91861 Soap 46

2 Erie 91019 Mdse 27

3 HV 34974 Fnc pipe 36
"""Fnc is very clear"
4 MStL 24848 Flour 44

5 ART 22002 Cabbage 44

6 CStPM-O 58224 Grease 42

7 CMStP 62431 Bucket 20

8 CNW 47730 Imps 35

9 CBQ 116319 Feed 48

10 CBQ 111517 Shgls 42

11 SRL 17908 Meat 39

12 Erie 65051 Dairy 36

13 Erie 111835 Mdse 25

14 Erie 96741 Mdse 28

15 Erie 68030 Mdse 29

16 Erie 98974 Mdse 25

17 Erie 91701 Mdse 28

18 CMStP 712429 Feed 41

19 SRL 19863 Ds Pltry 37

20 SRL 18893 Meat 39

21 CSVX 218 Alcohol 48
"Not sure about the ""X"" it's in lower case, is
this wine?"
22 CRL 5356 Meat 38

23 ARL 13142 Ds Pltry 38

24 ARL 14195 Ds Pltry 36

25 ARL 12704 P.H.P. 45

26 MRLX 9773 P.H.P. 45

27 MRLX 9022 P.H.P. 45

28 PFE 31066 Apples 43

29 PFE 14204 Apples 44

30 NADX 3009 Hams 44

31 CRL 6406 Lard 45

32 CRL 1149 Meat 38

33 CRL 1111 Meat 39

34 CMStP 507941 Flour 47

35 CMStP 89950 Hides 39

36 URT 75506 Meat 42

37 SRL 1276 Eggs 40

38 PFE 19705 Apples 46

39 B4 (Big 4) 45403 Meat 41

40 Ill C 155440 Corn 68

41 SL-SF 160737 Hides 41

42 AT-SF 121336 Flour 44

43 MStL 24136 Flour 42

44 Mo Pac 40140 Plp Brd 35

45 CRL 7704 Meat 37

46 JDPX 1279 Meat 42

47 ARL 14797 Meat 38

48 ARL 10058 Meat 37

49 ARL 15107 Meat 38

50 SRL 17295 Meat 40

51 ARL 14663 Meat 39

52 CRL 1006 Meat 37

53 CRL 5546 Meat 39

54 CRL 5478 Meat 37

55 CRL 7654 Meat 37

56 CRL 7651 Meat 37

57 CRL 5308 Meat 38

58 SRL 1435 Meat 44

59 SRL 19177 Meat 41

60 SRL 16052 Meat 44

61 ARL 14405 Meat 42

62 SRL 16780 Meat 40

63 CRL 1072 Meat 46

64 CRL 7539 Meat 38

65 PFE 30551 Apples 45

66 PFE 37963 Apples 46

67 NADX 6112 Eggs 45

68 SRL 1208 Eggs 42

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