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Re: End of the BLI monopoly....

Charlie Vlk
 

Gary-
Thanks for the thought, but the BLI "monopoly" ended with the announcement
of the Atlas, Athearn, and LifeLike QSI sound-equipped locomotives and the
delivery of the Lionel units. Others have announced sound but their merits
are yet to be deter,omed. While BLI has and may do composite projects with
brass or other material for superstructures, IMHO we will continue to
improve upon the course we have embarked on... quality plastic/die cast
diesels, steam, electrics, etc.. with an occasional foray into rolling stock
as appropriate.
Best regards,
Charlie Vlk
BLI


Re: Truss Rods

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George A. Walls wrote:
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?
Sizes varied somewhat from car class to class, and railroad to railroad. I have in front of me several late Huntington-era SP flat car drawings; all use 1.25-inch truss rods, with more rods on higher capacity cars.
Truss rod attachment is sometimes a definition of end sills. On SP cabooses, the truss rods terminated at the structural end sill, which was underneath the end door, i.e. at the end of the structural body. That piece out at the end of the end platform was NOT an end sill on SP cabooses, at least. This is discussed briefly in my book on SP cabooses.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Truss Rods

George A. Walls <Frisco1306@...>
 

Hello Folks,
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?

Thanks,
George Walls


Re: End of the BLI monopoly....

Gary Laakso <glaaks0@...>
 

Oriental and BLI imported a Cn 4-6-4 in that price range with a resin
boiler.....the Sunset price is not much higher then a Ajin pasenger car
painted....I think my W&R A-3 is a keeper

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Daniels" <billinsf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] End of the BLI monopoly....


I just got the following info from an online supplier
I occasionally deal with...looks like Sunset isn't
taking the threat of BLI sitting down.

we has received the following information from Sunset
Models on a new line of exciting, fully detailed,
limited edition 100% lifetime brass scale models for
"HO". The 20th Century Limited Edition models (ed.
note...funny name!) are built for operators as well as
collectors. Featuring a brand new, all ditital sound
system called "Sunset Sound". Synchronized to the
motion of the drivers, the chuffing sounds will signal
a new standard for "HO" sound and compatibility. Each
model will come with a free box to operate the
whistle and bell and can be used with any existing DC
transformer.

Install your favorite DCC decoder to have full control
of the features of your new high tech masterpiece.
Enjoy full range of operation. These models have a 12
volt operation range from 3 volts to 15 volts on the
track. Other sound equipped models won't move until
they reach 9 volts on the track, giving only 1/2 of
the operation range of a 20th Century Limited Edition.
(ed note 2...the starting voltage of BLI's system is
adjustable)
First in the series of fine brass models is the NP
"A" Class 4-8-4. There are 4 different versions to
choose from, the SP&S #700 is still in operation (A-3
with oil tender). The A-3 with a 6 wheel truck
semi-vanderbuilt coal tender, the A-4 with a grey
painted boiler, stamped pilot, centipede tender, all
weather cab and vestibule.

SP&S #700 w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-3(open cab)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-4(grey boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $649.95
NP A-5(black boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95

=====
Bill Daniels
Las Vegas, NV




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Re: Tank Car Details

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Eldon Gatwood:

Garth, Shawn, Andy;

Garrett and I have been doing some talking. I went back and did a little
research. There are some tanks we could do by kit-bashing. I doubt anyone
is going to do the details for us, so we may have to do them ourselves.
But, you are right, we need some of these parts badly....
Beofre you guys go spinning your wheels, you should know that three
different mfrs. are doing serious R&D on steam era tank cars. It's way too
premature to talk about details, but I'd wait to see what develops in the
next year or two.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: CP - Dominion Boxcar

Brett Whelan
 

Thanks Bob,

We still don't know if / or what type of powered hand
brake was installed when these car were converted to
AB brakes?

Anyone?

Brett Whelan
Australia


--- Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
I picked up a photo from Bob's photos at the NMRA
convention last wekend.
Its not Chicago by a long shot, but it is proof
these Fowler cars were still
coming across the line in the early 1950's. Bob
indicates it is October 24,
1952. The car is CP181101, shot at Roseville
California. It clearly shows
the K type brake, and is a stem winder brake wheel.
Bob lists it as FCP8.

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End of the BLI monopoly....

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

I just got the following info from an online supplier
I occasionally deal with...looks like Sunset isn't
taking the threat of BLI sitting down.

we has received the following information from Sunset
Models on a new line of exciting, fully detailed,
limited edition 100% lifetime brass scale models for
"HO". The 20th Century Limited Edition models (ed.
note...funny name!) are built for operators as well as
collectors. Featuring a brand new, all ditital sound
system called "Sunset Sound". Synchronized to the
motion of the drivers, the chuffing sounds will signal
a new standard for "HO" sound and compatibility. Each
model will come with a free box to operate the
whistle and bell and can be used with any existing DC
transformer.

Install your favorite DCC decoder to have full control
of the features of your new high tech masterpiece.
Enjoy full range of operation. These models have a 12
volt operation range from 3 volts to 15 volts on the
track. Other sound equipped models won't move until
they reach 9 volts on the track, giving only 1/2 of
the operation range of a 20th Century Limited Edition.
(ed note 2...the starting voltage of BLI's system is
adjustable)
First in the series of fine brass models is the NP
"A" Class 4-8-4. There are 4 different versions to
choose from, the SP&S #700 is still in operation (A-3
with oil tender). The A-3 with a 6 wheel truck
semi-vanderbuilt coal tender, the A-4 with a grey
painted boiler, stamped pilot, centipede tender, all
weather cab and vestibule.

SP&S #700 w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-3(open cab)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-4(grey boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $649.95
NP A-5(black boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95

=====
Bill Daniels
Las Vegas, NV




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Re: Tank Car Details

Shawn Beckert
 

Elden,

That's a long list of parts. I agree that we need most if
not all of those items, but for now I'd settle for a large
dome, plus some vents and underbody details. One thing I'd
*really* like to see is a styrene X-3 underframe, either
built-up or as a mini-kit. Sunshine would sell a lot more
X-3 kits if we could just take all those ##%$#%^& bits and
pieces that make up the underframe and pitch them into the
outer darkness...

A GATX ICC-103 would be nice as a complete kit, since all
we have for this very common car is the brass version. But
you'll have to persuade some manufacturer to do them, not
an easy task these days.

Shawn Beckert


Re: Box car identity?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

This is identified as a Reading box car... Is it?
I like the left hand door.
Reading wasn't a left-hand-door road. Lehigh Valley maybe?

David Thompson


Re: A&W 3000-3009 (ex NWX?)

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote...
You are correct in thinking these root beer cars are probably
not NWX cars.
One thing I'd like to point out -- the A&W cars were not root beer
cars!
Thanks for reading my post...couldn't resist!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: WLE 30000-30049 and 30050-30149

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Does anyone know much about these groups of auto cars? The only photo I
have seen shows a small part of 30137. The end is a 5/5/5 Murphy with a
large blank area at the top and additions to the ends to increase the
width. The roof looks to be a Viking roof.
They're pretty typical Youngstown steel rebuilds: inset side sills with
triangular brackets to hold the new sides, 4 wide panels on the right
side and 1 wide panel plus two narrow panels by the door on the left;
Viking roofs, and the first 50 had inverse ends. John Corns's second W&LE
book has a broadside company photo of 30025 in the back, along with
7 pages of W&LE freight car stuff (including the origins of the elusive
Canton Car Co).

David Thompson


Re: ERIE Train N 78 Marion to Kent 3-16-31

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I would wager the two M&StL 24000 series cars with flour were out of the
Twin Cities.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Not a Fowler

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

What more can you tell us about this great find, Dave?
Not but so much, not being a Wabash guru. The full series ran from 75000
to 78199 in several orders in the Teens, but they were extinct by 1940.

David Thompson


Re: Tank Car Details

Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc. <elden.gatwood@...>
 

Garth, Shawn, Andy;

Garrett and I have been doing some talking. I went back and did a little
research. There are some tanks we could do by kit-bashing. I doubt anyone
is going to do the details for us, so we may have to do them ourselves.
But, you are right, we need some of these parts badly. Here is what I see
as us needing in the HO scale arena:

General service ICC103 GATC tank car or just frame; 8k size, maybe?
Complete insulated car would be great because we could swap/bash tanks;
separate dome so we could kitbash maybe some other tanks?

Various domes and dome details; fat insulated dome, 1% dome (103A/A-W and
B/B-W); A-N/A-N-W dome; A-AL/A-AL-W dome; C/C-W dome; stuffing box and dual
housing castings;

Riveted dome collars for 1% and 2% domes (various diameter ID/ODs to fit 8k
and 10k tanks)

Etched platforms/handrail stanchions/supports

Or, insulated tank car ends in a variety of diameters (or just one big one
that you could cut down). We'd need the one that has the riveted seam down
the middle, and one other.

What do you think?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:35 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car Details

Garth Groff wrote:

We could also use different shapes and sizes of domes,
including the riveted collar where domes joined the tank.
Amen to that. Especially needed are the large-diameter domes
as used on asphalt and chemical tank cars. Richard has hinted
that such a car is in the works, but I'd still like to see a
large diameter dome as a separate detail part in H.O. scale.

Shawn Beckert


Re: WLE 30000-30049 and 30050-30149

Ed Hawkins
 

On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 09:31 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

I remember some discussion of this recently, but I don't recall that
there was resolution. Does anyone know much about these groups of auto
cars? The only photo I have seen shows a small part of 30137. The end
is a 5/5/5 Murphy with a large blank area at the top and additions to
the ends to increase the width. The roof looks to be a Viking roof.
Ted,
According to NKP diagrams, 30000-30049 were rebuilt 1934, 30050-30099 rebuilt 1935, and 30100-30149 rebuilt 1936. The diagram states ends were "Murphy Corr. 4 Sections" (not 3 sections). The line drawing shows a 10 corrugations with a tall flat portion at the top (NKP diagram line drawings are usually depicted accurately). Viking Roofs furnished by Chicago-Cleveland Car Roof Co. Vertical staff hand brakes. Youngstown doors/Camel fixtures with 12'-0 1/2" clear door opening (Jeff Koeller will be proud). Inside height for auto loading 10'-0" and inside height for commodity loading 8'-11". The latter two groups had 13/16" tongue & groove end lining. The cars were rebuilt from 29000 series by WLE at Ironville Shops. Diagram dated 12/21/50.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Globe Freight Car Models

Jan Berry <rberry@...>
 

Globe Fans,

For some reason the e-bay address didn't work so I cannot comment on what
was offered for auction. What I can comment on is the Globe 40ft. Single
Door boxcar sitting on my desk right now.

I bought the car about forty to fortyfive years ago and must have built it
then or a few years later. Mine is Globe #4300C Rock Island Alum. Box and it
came in an attractive brown and buff colored box with a photo of an SP
freight on the boxtop. The kit is stamped aluminum fastened to a wood core.
I'm pretty sure I glued the wood box together and pinned everything else to
the wood using pins furnished to be stuck through small tabs. Anyway it sure
looks like the Rock Island Express Box, still in shiny metal. We'll overlook
the fact that the side seams aren't right and probably many other details
too.

Richard H. Berry
Warsaw, Indiana

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth Groff" <ggg9y@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Globe Freight Car Models (was Kadee #58s)


Frank,

I owned a Globe boxcar I picked up someplace in the mid-1960s. Although
the technology was similar to the Athearn metal cars (stamped metal
parts), there were a lot of differences. The Globe car was made of
stamped aluminum over a wooden core, versus the Athearn's steel with
metal end formers. I never could get the car to stay together, since the
glues I had wouldn't hold the metal parts to the wooden core. I knew
nothing of Goo at that point. Kind of a shame too, as the car was very
attractive. It was a model of a GN aluminum-sided car (I don't know if
it was accurate, probably not), but the sides were unpainted metal with
the lettering crisply screened on, and the finish was quite realistic.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Park Varieties wrote:

From the "For What It Is Worth" Department:
To the best of my knowledge, Athearn never marketed any of the Globe
metal cars under the Athearn brand name . . .

. . . It is my understanding that the Globe tooling was never run in
production by Irv - he just saw an opportunity to eliminate a competitor.
You have to be careful about descriptions on eBay; many people do not really
know the differences between Globe and Athearn cars. Any comments or
corrections of this info. welcomed.

Frank Brua





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Re: A&W 3000-3009 (ex NWX?)

Mark Mathu
 

Thanks to those who identified these cars as possible MDT (I assume
Merchants Despatch Transportation?) cars. I will look into it and if
I find anything meaningful I will report back.


Clark Propst wrote...
You are correct in thinking these root beer cars are probably
not NWX cars.
One thing I'd like to point out -- the A&W cars were not root beer
cars! The A&W stood for Ahnapee & Western - Ahnapee was the name of
a Wisconsin port city. The A&W was built in 1892 and connected the
towns of Casco, Ahnapee (now Algoma) and Sturgeon Bay in Wisconsin's
Door peninsula. Door County and the surrounding regions were big
cherry producing regions, and these cars were often used to ship
canned cherries to other parts of the country.

Roger Hinman wrote...
The bolster reinforcement, the end reinforcements and the
underbody all look to me that these are ex MDT wood reefers;
do you have any dimensional information on the cars?
That would nail it down, since the 41'5" end sill
dimension was fairly unique to MDT
I have October 1949 ORER information and it lists the outside length
as 41'-5" for A&W 3000, 3003 and 3004.

Other dimensions:
Inside 33'-0" between ice tanks, 8'-5" wide, 7'-3" high.
Outside 41'-5" long, 9'-9" wide at eaves, 10'-1" extreme width, 12'-
4" height to eaves, 13'-1" height to running board; 13'-11" extereme
height.
Doors 4'-0" wide x 6'-4" high
1999 cu.ft, 70,000 pound capacity

Richard H. Hendrickson wrote...
Numerous distinctive details - underframe, side sills,
reinforced wood ends, hatch cover rests, etc. - identify
these reefers as former MDT cars.
I can provide scans of several photos of them in MDT service.
Richard -- if the offer is still open, I'd like to see the scans to
help me compare the identifying details. As consideration, here is a
LARGE (2.20MB) image of A&W 3004 (ca. 1953 - note that it is located
in front of the same structure as in one of the previous photos that
I posted):
http://www.greenbayroute.com/A&W-N.jpg
(Because of storage issues I will only have this file posted a few
days.)

Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.


Re: TP Boxcar

jerryglow2
 

Yes Mr Surfacer is what I was thinking about. Thanks for the mention
of Mr disolved Putty as I do have a few of the MDC cars and want to
try to improve their looks.

Jerry in Fla

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:

On Jul 15, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Jerry,

Are you thinking of "Mr. Surfacer" by Gunze? The military
model guys use it to fill cracks and pits after puttying,
but I don't know how well it would fill grooved siding on
boxcars without cracking. It's my understanding you have
to sand and fill repeatedly with it as well. Ugh...
Mr. Dissolved Putty is the stuff you want. Mr. Surfacer is a good
primer. When I was building aircraft models, I used to add
Squadron
Green to MEK to come up with a soupy putty. By the way, I would
rather
scratchbuild the sides than putty and sand the grooves.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Globe Freight Car Models (was Kadee #58s)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Brua wrote:
"Globe Models was started in 1943 by Frank Taylor (former editor of
Model Railroader) and Carl Traub. Material shortages during WWII kept
them from really getting off the ground but their first AAR box car
kit with factory painted sides was issued in March, 1948. <<snip>>
Frank Taylor sold his interest in the business to Carl Traub in 1950
and in July, 1951 Traub sold the Globe Models trademark and product
lines to Irv Athearn. At that time a very few kits assembled from
existing inventory might have been issued under the Athearn label but
unlikely."

OK - now the light comes on! For years, I've seen bits and pieces of
the Globe AAR boxcars floating around, but never in Globe boxes.
Without being able to put them in any other context, I had assumed
they were another variation of Athearn's metal kits. Now it makes
sense.


"You have to be careful about descriptions on eBay; many people do
not really know the differences between Globe and Athearn cars."

Very true - in this case, the error was mine. One thing that struck
me about the lot that I posted earlier was that (1) all of the the
kits were, indeed, Globe kits, and that (2) the kits in that lot were
NIB in the correct boxes and correctly described.


Ben Hom


Re: Globe Freight Car Models (was Kadee #58s)

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Frank,

I owned a Globe boxcar I picked up someplace in the mid-1960s. Although the technology was similar to the Athearn metal cars (stamped metal parts), there were a lot of differences. The Globe car was made of stamped aluminum over a wooden core, versus the Athearn's steel with metal end formers. I never could get the car to stay together, since the glues I had wouldn't hold the metal parts to the wooden core. I knew nothing of Goo at that point. Kind of a shame too, as the car was very attractive. It was a model of a GN aluminum-sided car (I don't know if it was accurate, probably not), but the sides were unpainted metal with the lettering crisply screened on, and the finish was quite realistic.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Park Varieties wrote:

From the "For What It Is Worth" Department:
To the best of my knowledge, Athearn never marketed any of the Globe metal cars under the Athearn brand name . . .

. . . It is my understanding that the Globe tooling was never run in production by Irv - he just saw an opportunity to eliminate a competitor. You have to be careful about descriptions on eBay; many people do not really know the differences between Globe and Athearn cars. Any comments or corrections of this info. welcomed.

Frank Brua