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Re: A&W 3000-3009 (ex NWX?)

Mark Mathu
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Thanks for reading my post...couldn't resist!!
Of course I would read your post. All comments to STMFC are
appreciated.

I must add two more things to this discussion; everyone's follow-up
comments are welcome, especially on the first point:

Andy Laurent, who researched these cars and interviewed A&W employee
Jim Roubal (http://www.greenbayroute.com/railroadrevisted.htm - at
least look at the page, these railroad veterans deserve that much)
reports:
"That paint square left of the door matches perfectly with where the
MDT bottom black would have met the overall white color!!"

Also, I should have credited the photo I posted as:
Kalmbach Library Collection.


One thing about Accumate scale couplers

Tim O'Connor
 

I noticed after I applied the Accurail scale couplers and
draft gear boxes to a couple of Branchline box cars, that
when I coupled the cars to each other, they were unrealistically
close. I positioned the draft gear boxes so they stuck out from
the car body as far as they would on the prototype. I gathered
from this that the Accumate may have a shorter shank or some
other technical reason that they tend to couple more closely.
Has anyone else noticed this and did you try to compensate
for it?

Tim O.


Re: BLI Hopper Mods

Andy Harman <andy10@...>
 

At 03:08 PM 7/15/2004 -0400, you wrote:

Why Backtrack when you are using, IMHO, the best product out there?
I don't see it happening - it would take a really impressive alternative to
make me change away from the 58/78 at this point. But the option is there,
if it should happen.

Andy


Re: Erie "Fowler" box car herald color

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We no longer include yellow heralds in the Erie kits. Definitive info
received that only white heralds were used.
- Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Payne" <deanpayne@att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:57 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Erie "Fowler" box car herald color


Westerfield's instructions for the Erie "Fowler" box car says the
color of the diamond herald is uncertain, either black and white or
yellow and white. Has any definitive information been unearthed
since the instructions were written? The web site has the yellow
version.
Dean Payne


Re: Subject: Truss Rods

Randall Hees <hees@...>
 

Few truss rods were over one inch, many were less

Truss rods commonly run from end sill (beam) over the bolster, under the
truss beams (queen posts) under the second truss beam (queen posts) over
the boster, to the other end sill (beam)

As noted by Tony, the end beam may not be the last cross member on a car.
In the case of many cabooses and passenger cars the end beam is the beam
under the end wall, with a cantaleverd platform extending past the end
beam.

Also, on most passenger cars and on a few pre-civil war freight cars the
truss rods end at the car bolster.

There are lots of brass turnbuckles out there, but be carful, trunbuckles
were not used on all cars.

Randy Hees


Hello Folks,
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?

Thanks,
George Walls


Re: Truss Rods

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We use 20 lb. test monofilament in our kits. .020" wire would be about
right. However, I don't recommend it. Too easy to bend out of shape if
someone carelessly pick the car up. Check Precision Scale, they might have
brass turnbuckles.
- Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: "George A. Walls" <Frisco1306@frontiernet.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Truss Rods


Hello Folks,
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?

Thanks,
George Walls





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Re: SSW Gondolas

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

And a great start it is, too.
--
Brian Ehni



From: "Lee A. Gautreaux" <railgoat@bellsouth.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:17:43 -0000
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] SSW Gondolas

After some inspiration and information from a recent flurry of posts
on the ESPEE list, I have updated my Cotton Belt freight car pages.
Specifically, I have added/updated the SSW gondola pages with some
interresting new photos and information. This may be of interest to
some of you. For SSW gondolas, see the following:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/gon/ssw_gon.htm

For all SSW cars, see the following:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/index.htm

Note that this is a work in progress and I have not yet had time to
address all cars types yet.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


SSW Gondolas

Lee Gautreaux
 

After some inspiration and information from a recent flurry of posts
on the ESPEE list, I have updated my Cotton Belt freight car pages.
Specifically, I have added/updated the SSW gondola pages with some
interresting new photos and information. This may be of interest to
some of you. For SSW gondolas, see the following:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/gon/ssw_gon.htm

For all SSW cars, see the following:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/index.htm

Note that this is a work in progress and I have not yet had time to
address all cars types yet.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: URL Copying (was Globe Freight Car Models)

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

URL links (http://....) that take two or more lines can not be just
clicked; only the first line is used if you try. You got to the page but
it needed the second line content to have anything useful to display.
Here is how I solve the problem:

1. Select (highlight by dragging the cursor down past the
beginnings of each line and releasing the mouse button) the lines of the
address.
2. Copy (I use <Ctrl-c>, clicking the toolbar copy icon or right
clicking the highlight then clicking Copy) the highlighted lines to the
clipboard.
3. Open Notepad (Start>Programs>Accessories>Notepad)
4. Paste to notepad.
5. Place cursor at the end of the first line.
6. Press <delete> to remove the line break and any spaces.
7. Copy
8. Open a browser page.
9. Highlight the address
10. Paste the copied address
11. Press <Enter> to open the new page.

I usually have both a browser page and Notepad open before I read the
posts. It looks much harder than it really is. Good luck

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Berry [mailto:rberry@kconline.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:47 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Globe Freight Car Models

Globe Fans,

For some reason the e-bay address didn't work so I cannot comment on
what
was offered for auction.


Re: Truss Rods

Jacque Burgess <jacque@...>
 

Truss rods were about 1" or so in diameter. They typically terminated at the
end sill, with pedestals situated over the bolsters to transfer the load
onto the bolsters. They were also forged to a larger diameter so that the
threaded portions were still full diameter.

Brass wire measuring .011" in diameter would duplicate these truss rods but
I'd suggest using fishing monofilament instead....it is much easier to work
with and won't form unrealistic sags or buckles. Fishing line is typically
sold by the tensile strength....i.e., 10 lbs or 2 lbs. I have some 10 lb.
line which measures .010" in diameter, perfect for truss rods. I'd just buy
a couple of sizes and check them when you get home.

Grandt Line has brass turnbuckle but also plastic ones. With fishing
monofilament, you can glue the turnbuckle to ends of pieces of monofilament
as Ted mentioned in a recent RMC article. You can also thread the
monofilament into the ends of the turnbuckle and then carefully heat the cut
ends with a match to create a "blob" which won't fit back through the
turnbuckle.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: George A. Walls [mailto:Frisco1306@frontiernet.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:38 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Truss Rods


Hello Folks,
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?

Thanks,
George Walls


Re: End of the BLI monopoly....

Charlie Vlk
 

Gary-
Thanks for the thought, but the BLI "monopoly" ended with the announcement
of the Atlas, Athearn, and LifeLike QSI sound-equipped locomotives and the
delivery of the Lionel units. Others have announced sound but their merits
are yet to be deter,omed. While BLI has and may do composite projects with
brass or other material for superstructures, IMHO we will continue to
improve upon the course we have embarked on... quality plastic/die cast
diesels, steam, electrics, etc.. with an occasional foray into rolling stock
as appropriate.
Best regards,
Charlie Vlk
BLI


Re: Truss Rods

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George A. Walls wrote:
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?
Sizes varied somewhat from car class to class, and railroad to railroad. I have in front of me several late Huntington-era SP flat car drawings; all use 1.25-inch truss rods, with more rods on higher capacity cars.
Truss rod attachment is sometimes a definition of end sills. On SP cabooses, the truss rods terminated at the structural end sill, which was underneath the end door, i.e. at the end of the structural body. That piece out at the end of the end platform was NOT an end sill on SP cabooses, at least. This is discussed briefly in my book on SP cabooses.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Truss Rods

George A. Walls <Frisco1306@...>
 

Hello Folks,
Could someone tell me the size of the rods that were used for the
various types of truss rod cars. Did the truss rods go through the
end sills on all types of cars or did some fasten to another part on
the car. What size brass wire would be a replacement for the plastic
ones made by Atlas and Bachman. Does anyone make brass turnbuckles
for truss rods?

Thanks,
George Walls


Re: End of the BLI monopoly....

Gary Laakso <glaaks0@...>
 

Oriental and BLI imported a Cn 4-6-4 in that price range with a resin
boiler.....the Sunset price is not much higher then a Ajin pasenger car
painted....I think my W&R A-3 is a keeper

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Daniels" <billinsf@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] End of the BLI monopoly....


I just got the following info from an online supplier
I occasionally deal with...looks like Sunset isn't
taking the threat of BLI sitting down.

we has received the following information from Sunset
Models on a new line of exciting, fully detailed,
limited edition 100% lifetime brass scale models for
"HO". The 20th Century Limited Edition models (ed.
note...funny name!) are built for operators as well as
collectors. Featuring a brand new, all ditital sound
system called "Sunset Sound". Synchronized to the
motion of the drivers, the chuffing sounds will signal
a new standard for "HO" sound and compatibility. Each
model will come with a free box to operate the
whistle and bell and can be used with any existing DC
transformer.

Install your favorite DCC decoder to have full control
of the features of your new high tech masterpiece.
Enjoy full range of operation. These models have a 12
volt operation range from 3 volts to 15 volts on the
track. Other sound equipped models won't move until
they reach 9 volts on the track, giving only 1/2 of
the operation range of a 20th Century Limited Edition.
(ed note 2...the starting voltage of BLI's system is
adjustable)
First in the series of fine brass models is the NP
"A" Class 4-8-4. There are 4 different versions to
choose from, the SP&S #700 is still in operation (A-3
with oil tender). The A-3 with a 6 wheel truck
semi-vanderbuilt coal tender, the A-4 with a grey
painted boiler, stamped pilot, centipede tender, all
weather cab and vestibule.

SP&S #700 w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-3(open cab)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-4(grey boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $649.95
NP A-5(black boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95

=====
Bill Daniels
Las Vegas, NV




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Re: Tank Car Details

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Eldon Gatwood:

Garth, Shawn, Andy;

Garrett and I have been doing some talking. I went back and did a little
research. There are some tanks we could do by kit-bashing. I doubt anyone
is going to do the details for us, so we may have to do them ourselves.
But, you are right, we need some of these parts badly....
Beofre you guys go spinning your wheels, you should know that three
different mfrs. are doing serious R&D on steam era tank cars. It's way too
premature to talk about details, but I'd wait to see what develops in the
next year or two.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: CP - Dominion Boxcar

Brett Whelan
 

Thanks Bob,

We still don't know if / or what type of powered hand
brake was installed when these car were converted to
AB brakes?

Anyone?

Brett Whelan
Australia


--- Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@shaw.ca> wrote:
I picked up a photo from Bob's photos at the NMRA
convention last wekend.
Its not Chicago by a long shot, but it is proof
these Fowler cars were still
coming across the line in the early 1950's. Bob
indicates it is October 24,
1952. The car is CP181101, shot at Roseville
California. It clearly shows
the K type brake, and is a stem winder brake wheel.
Bob lists it as FCP8.

Rob Kirkham





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End of the BLI monopoly....

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

I just got the following info from an online supplier
I occasionally deal with...looks like Sunset isn't
taking the threat of BLI sitting down.

we has received the following information from Sunset
Models on a new line of exciting, fully detailed,
limited edition 100% lifetime brass scale models for
"HO". The 20th Century Limited Edition models (ed.
note...funny name!) are built for operators as well as
collectors. Featuring a brand new, all ditital sound
system called "Sunset Sound". Synchronized to the
motion of the drivers, the chuffing sounds will signal
a new standard for "HO" sound and compatibility. Each
model will come with a free box to operate the
whistle and bell and can be used with any existing DC
transformer.

Install your favorite DCC decoder to have full control
of the features of your new high tech masterpiece.
Enjoy full range of operation. These models have a 12
volt operation range from 3 volts to 15 volts on the
track. Other sound equipped models won't move until
they reach 9 volts on the track, giving only 1/2 of
the operation range of a 20th Century Limited Edition.
(ed note 2...the starting voltage of BLI's system is
adjustable)
First in the series of fine brass models is the NP
"A" Class 4-8-4. There are 4 different versions to
choose from, the SP&S #700 is still in operation (A-3
with oil tender). The A-3 with a 6 wheel truck
semi-vanderbuilt coal tender, the A-4 with a grey
painted boiler, stamped pilot, centipede tender, all
weather cab and vestibule.

SP&S #700 w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-3(open cab)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95
NP A-4(grey boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $649.95
NP A-5(black boiler)w/sound 4-8-4 MSRP $599.95

=====
Bill Daniels
Las Vegas, NV




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Re: Tank Car Details

Shawn Beckert
 

Elden,

That's a long list of parts. I agree that we need most if
not all of those items, but for now I'd settle for a large
dome, plus some vents and underbody details. One thing I'd
*really* like to see is a styrene X-3 underframe, either
built-up or as a mini-kit. Sunshine would sell a lot more
X-3 kits if we could just take all those ##%$#%^& bits and
pieces that make up the underframe and pitch them into the
outer darkness...

A GATX ICC-103 would be nice as a complete kit, since all
we have for this very common car is the brass version. But
you'll have to persuade some manufacturer to do them, not
an easy task these days.

Shawn Beckert


Re: Box car identity?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

This is identified as a Reading box car... Is it?
I like the left hand door.
Reading wasn't a left-hand-door road. Lehigh Valley maybe?

David Thompson


Re: A&W 3000-3009 (ex NWX?)

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote...
You are correct in thinking these root beer cars are probably
not NWX cars.
One thing I'd like to point out -- the A&W cars were not root beer
cars!
Thanks for reading my post...couldn't resist!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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