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Re: Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

That would have either been the 8099 or 8166. 8099 is currently at
Noblesville, but who knows what happened to 8166. Howard Ameling has shots
of 8166 wandering through the rust belt in the 1970s (Waterville 1970,
Findlay 1972, Noblesville 1978).

20 of these cars were converted to coke cars in 1958 and renumbered 120-139.
I think Big Four Graphics has a photo of 122 in the 1960s. Any idea when
the N&W took them off the roster?

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff [mailto:ggg9y@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:40 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Tim and Garrett:

I photographed one of these cars in Indiana about 1978 on the NKP/N&W
parked by a grain elevator. I think it was later preserved at a railroad
museum, and may have been in transit since the museum was just a couple
of miles away. In any case, there was at least one of these still
kicking around that late.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Garrett, there were still 175 (of 200) in service in 1963. I find
no listing for them in 1965. Wabash also had some War Emergency box
cars, but I don't know if they made it to N&W either.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5909844869

Tim O'Connor
And Garrett's original question:


One question, why did you not post this a few days earlier? <grin>

Cool find....did they live on to the N&W days?

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN




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Re: Hazardous Material Placards

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Jul 21, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Michael Watnoski wrote:

Shawn and Bruce,

Would something like the etched brass parts from the
Sunshine X-3 kits work? These were made to fold over the
decal. I made these parts for Sunshine and could make the
more generic style if anyone thought there may be a market.
Michael,

I think that there is definitely a market for "standard" tank car placards, as well as the UTLX style...

However, the decal set we are talking about goes way beyond that to many different placards that would have been tacked to the tack boards of cars... and I'm trying to figure out how to make these look like cardboard, not decals. My latest attempt will be to decal very thin sheet stock.

Happy Rails
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Re: UP stock car paint

raildata@...
 

There is a pretty large file at the Colo RR Museum on the UP stock car
rebuild from box cars that took place at Denver shops. Will check it out to
see what there is on paint colors.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim and Garrett:

I photographed one of these cars in Indiana about 1978 on the NKP/N&W parked by a grain elevator. I think it was later preserved at a railroad museum, and may have been in transit since the museum was just a couple of miles away. In any case, there was at least one of these still kicking around that late.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Garrett, there were still 175 (of 200) in service in 1963. I find
no listing for them in 1965. Wabash also had some War Emergency box
cars, but I don't know if they made it to N&W either.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5909844869

Tim O'Connor
And Garrett's original question:


One question, why did you not post this a few days earlier? <grin>

Cool find....did they live on to the N&W days?

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: Harbor/HTCX

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Garrett,

Thanks much. They were unlikely to have turned of on the Sacramento
Northern, so I will have to pass.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Garrett W. Rea wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@s...> wrote:


--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@v...> wrote:


Andy,

What company is HTCX?

Garth,
HTCX is the mark for
Harbor Tank Lines.

-Andy Carlson

The Harbor tanks model a rebuild of the cars as they appeared in the
1960s, gone by 1970. HCTX also had some covered hopers and all door
lumber cars.

So, the Lifelike Harbor car is another car that should move over to
BBFCL.

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN






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Re: HO LifeLike P2K Tank car specials

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Andy,

Thanks much. And thanks to all those who responded by private e-mail.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Andy Carlson wrote:

--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:


Andy,

What company is HTCX?

Garth,
HTCX is the mark for
Harbor Tank Lines.

I purposely acquired mostly black tankcars with
minimal lettering because it seems that most of the
Nation's tankcars were rather undescript, and BLACK.
This car met that requirement.
-Andy Carlson


Re: UP Yellow Paint?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tom Olsen wrote:
"The question should have been when did the UP begin painting their
stock cars Armour Yellow rather than a general request regarding
other freight equipment. The person who put the question to me
models in the late 1940s."

1947, for Class S-40-10 cars assigned to Livestock Dispatch service.
See Volume 1, Number 1 of the UPHS Streamliner for an extensive
article by Terry Metcalfe.


Ben Hom


Re: Update on new releases?

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote

The RC SP flat car is out, first production run already sold out
Define "is out" please! I've had a dozen kits on order since they
were announced, but have not seen anything yet. Ain't seen my lone
RTR either.

Tim O.


Re: Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Garrett, there were still 175 (of 200) in service in 1963. I find
no listing for them in 1965. Wabash also had some War Emergency box
cars, but I don't know if they made it to N&W either.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5909844869

Tim O'Connor
Yep, because typing "brass" gets you tons of HO snap-track and Tyco
set listings....

One question, why did you not post this a few days earlier? <grin>

Cool find....did they live on to the N&W days?

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: Hazardous Material Placards

Tim O'Connor
 

Excellent diamond shape placards are available from
Plano, in two versions #310 (solid) and #311 (frame).
The frame version is great for Union Tank Car, which
mounted diamond placards onto on a rectangular target.
Just cut the placard decals to make them look like
they are inserted behind the retainer bar. They are
a bit oversize in thickness but are still much thinner
than plastic parts.


Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

Tim O'Connor
 

This car looks similar to a wood CMWX car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5910690409



Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts 01564


Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't mean to gloat... but it pays to search for Ebay items
using unconvential keywords. You'll notice this auction doesn't
say "brass" anywhere.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5909844869

Tim O'Connor


Re: UP Yellow Paint?

Tim O'Connor
 

I think there's some confusion here. UP did begin painting some freight
cars Armour Yellow in the 1960s (though I don't have an exact date). But
Don's response actually dates when they began to use all yellow stenciling
on cars that were otherwise painted oxide red. Perhaps Tom can clarify his
query.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Yep, it was the "and other equipment" that stopped me in my tracks.
Did he mean locomotives, passenger cars, cabooses, and freight cars?
All of them received yellow paint at different times.

The first other-than-red non-passenger box cars appeared as the
B-50-45 class in 1955, painted orange, black & aluminum. These were
later reclassed as BI-50-1 and got yellow sides in the 1960's. I used
to think they were originally yellow, that was based on a b&w builder
photo in the Cyclopedia. Branchline released models of the car in an
original and a repainted version.


Tom Olsen wrote:

What year did the UP begin to paint their freight and other equipment
yellow? I had this request recently and was not sure of the answer.
Can anyone assist in this matter as it will be greatly appreciated!
Don Strack responded:

1947. But the actual repainting effort took at least another 2-3 years.


Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

Eugene Deimling <gene48@...>
 

Brian:
I have a drawing for the CMWX car and it isn't like the one on eBay. I have
photographed several of wood and plywood versions and they all had a visible
channel side sill. I could post a photo but there is no room on this site.
Gene Deimling

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Paul Ehni [mailto:behni@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:43 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

This looks like the Funaro cars I have to build.
--
Brian Ehni



From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:55:14 -0700
To: <stmfc@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?


This car looks similar to a wood CMWX car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5910690409



Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts 01564








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Re: Harbor/HTCX

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Garrett Rea:

The model I have (HTCX 1758), which was in kit form and I just built
has on its frame "Rebuilt By Thrall" and repack and reweigh dates of
Jan 1961 in "CH" which I assume to be Chicago Heights, IL, which was
one of the "Home Points" for these cars in the late 1960s, or for the
Thrall plant. If any one can tell me which, please do.

When I looked at the model, it had these dates and I could confirm
its existance in the Oct 1968 ORER (I model 1968).

So, it was your and P2K's attention to detail are the VERY reason I
bought the car as a modeller of the 1960s. It could be backdated
with paint modifications if needed if you model prior to 1961, but
out of the box, it is for the 1960s, and for that reason I bought it,
and why I have my dealer holding a second number for me.
This tells a whole different story from your earlier post, Garrett, which
appeared to say that the model was only correct for the 1960s. The
lettering details you describe were based on the best photo available at
the time, and you're right that the model's lettering represents an early
'60s prototype. But that doesn't mean that the model itself is out of era
for this list, or that steam/transition era modelers can't use HTCX 1701
series tank cars. Thanks for the clarification.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Northern Pacific Radial Roofs

chuck sadler <chucksadler@...>
 

Thanks for your responce----is there an article on the
NP car----or a pic----and are decals avail

Chuck Sadler





--- Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
One use that comes to mind is:

Converting the Red Caboose PFE Reefer with Factory
paint for NP. Jerry Glow did this conversion, and
says
it is fairly straightforward. The modeler will need
to
narrow the roof lengthwise about .125". Others may
find a use in shortening them in length for placing
on
MDC 36' boxcars.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--- chuck sadler <chucksadler@...> wrote:
I must have missed this: what are you using these
roof
for?

chuck






--- Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
To anyone who missed out at my offering limited
numbers of the Central Valley Model Works
Northern
Pacific radial roofs (as supplied in their HO NP
Stockcar kits), I am pleased to announce I have
received replacements.

They are priced at $2.00 ea., and I will pay
shipping.
Contact me off-list, please.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
< midcentury@... >

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Re: Update on new releases?

Richard Hendrickson
 

Joe Binish asks:

A thought just crossed my mind( the only one for this week), have "we" heard
when the Red Caboose SP flat is going to arrive? How about the Dominion
car?
The RC SP flat car is out, first production run already sold out, orders
being taken for the second run. With regard to the Dominion car, Life-Like
Canada's model is about to appear, but Don Valentine will have to tell us
what the prospects are for his forthcoming model.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: UP Yellow Paint?

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Richard, Tim & List,

Sorry, I should have been more clear on which equipment was involved. The question should have been when did the UP begin painting their stock cars Armour Yellow rather than a general request regarding other freight equipment. The person who put the question to me models in the late 1940s.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
PH: (302) 738-4292
Email: tmolsen@...


Tim O'Connor wrote:

I think there's some confusion here. UP did begin painting some freight
cars Armour Yellow in the 1960s (though I don't have an exact date). But
Don's response actually dates when they began to use all yellow stenciling
on cars that were otherwise painted oxide red. Perhaps Tom can clarify his
query.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Yep, it was the "and other equipment" that stopped me in my tracks.
Did he mean locomotives, passenger cars, cabooses, and freight cars?
All of them received yellow paint at different times.
The first other-than-red non-passenger box cars appeared as the
B-50-45 class in 1955, painted orange, black & aluminum. These were
later reclassed as BI-50-1 and got yellow sides in the 1960's. I used
to think they were originally yellow, that was based on a b&w builder
photo in the Cyclopedia. Branchline released models of the car in an
original and a repainted version.

Tom Olsen wrote:


What year did the UP begin to paint their freight and other equipment
yellow? I had this request recently and was not sure of the answer.
Can anyone assist in this matter as it will be greatly appreciated!
Don Strack responded:


1947. But the actual repainting effort took at least another 2-3 years.
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Re: Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...>

I don't mean to gloat... but it pays to search for Ebay items
using unconvential keywords. You'll notice this auction doesn't
say "brass" anywhere.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5909844869

Tim O'Connor
Yep, because typing "brass" gets you tons of HO snap-track and Tyco
set listings....

One question, why did you not post this a few days earlier? <grin>

Cool find....did they live on to the N&W days?

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: Ebay NKP war emergency box car

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...>

I don't mean to gloat... but it pays to search for Ebay items
using unconvential keywords. You'll notice this auction doesn't
say "brass" anywhere.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5909844869

Tim O'Connor
Yep, because typing "brass" gets you tons of HO snap-track and Tyco
set listings....

One question, why did you not post this a few days earlier? <grin>

Cool find....did they live on to the N&W days?

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN

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