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Re: Army boxcars at Mt. Union

CBarkan@...
 

Yeah, yeah ... BAR (not MEC), thats what I meant! Thanks, Terry.

Chris

In a message dated 7/24/04 10:36:53 AM, caso@... writes:

<<On close inspection of the cars back around 1995, a couple of the cars had

Bangor & Aroostook heralds peeling through the paint.


Due to their position in the bush, the cars were difficult to photograph:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/bar-1.jpg


Terry Link

Bramalea, Ontario, Canada

trlink@...

www.canadasouthern.com >>

----- Original Message -----

ggg9y@... writes:

<< And speaking of odd military cars, there used to be a whole string of
36' single-sheathed army boxcars sitting among the trees at Mt. Union,
Pennsylvania, hard by the old East Broad Top engine house. These were
standard gauge, and not equipped for overseas operation. I've heard the
area is now a shopping center, so I suppose they are all gone. >>
Chris Barkan replied:


I always thought those Mt. Union cars looked like those 36' MEC boxcars
that

seemed to be around pretty late. Does anybody know what their heritageis
(was)? Did the Army get them from the MEC, someone else, or were they
built new

for them?


Re: Detail Assoc Dreadnaught ends

Scott Pitzer
 

I think these are made with separate corner rivet strips, and the instructions say you can do it a certain way to represent square corners, and a different way to represent W-section corners.
But I've never gotten around to trying them.
Scott Pitzer


Re: Union, Elbows, Tees

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Jerry:

You'll find very fine tubing at this site:
http://www.smallparts.com/materials/

One very fine type of tubing there is Polyimide, with an interior diameter
of .005", outsidediamter of .0065 or .0075 inches. There are larger sizes
as well. Not sure how it glues, but don't see why it wouldn't glue with ACC
well.

Alternately, for something in stainless steel, how about this site:
http://www.ngineering.com/tubing.htm - they have .018" outside diameter
stainless tubing. And larger sizes.

Lots more good stuff at these sites. I've never ordered from them though,
so not sure what they are like to deal with.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dziedzic" <jerdz@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Union, Elbows, Tees


Any known sources for HO scale parts suitable for 0.015-0.022
diameter brass wire? Handrails are the intended use.

Specialty tubing (small diameter) may be a good solution. Sources?


Jerry





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Re: Cars of Interest - Pennsy Steam Years Volume 1

Michael <mclx@...>
 

Ben H wrote:

here are various cars of interest spotted in the background
of photos in David Sweetland's Pennsy Steam Years, Volume 1:
. . . DL&W Keyser Valley rebuilt steel boxcar
Are these the same cars described by Chuck Y in the Oct '80 RMC?

On the subject of kits vs rtr, given that in North America, most railways/roads generally bought the majority of their cars ready-assembled, is this RTR trend not merely being prototypical . . ?

Regards,
Michael Larcombe


Re: More Cars of Interest - Classic Trains Sept 2004

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

A train to the left of the IC terminal sports a B&O M53 and N&W
X31-style round roof car. I'm at a loss for hte N&W car class here -
40-foot single door is class B-1
40-foot double door is class B-2
50-foot double door is class B-3

David Thompson


Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

CASO <caso@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brennan" <brennan8@...>
Terry... do you have the when / where taken info on these Chateau Martin
wine car photos?
All photos are marked Baltimore, Maryland, with dates as follows:

October 17, 1965:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008.jpg

October 16, 1965:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008-2.jpg

July 9, 1967:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-155.jpg

November 21, 1965:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-131.jpg

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Most Excellent!!! (....echoing Brian E.)

Terry... do you have the when / where taken info on these Chateau Martin wine car photos?

===============================
Richard Brennan - San Leandro, CA (<< not Canada....)
mailto:brennan8@...
===============================


Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Excellent!
--
Brian Ehni



From: CASO <caso@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:51:56 -0400
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

----- Original Message -----
From: "pieter_roos" <pieter.roos@...>
Google found two photos on the publicly accessable RPI site,
Soph-Marty collection; one wood and one steel. I'm not totally sure,
but both do look like GPEX cars.

Have scanned some of the photos from my collection:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008-2.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-155.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-131.jpg

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com


NP truss rod box cars

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I am still trying to figure how to justify building my F&C kit of a 40 foot
NP truss rod box car that fits my post WWII modeling. I now have two photos
of NP cars with fishbelly center sills and one truss rod to either side of
the centersill, both in company service, #'s 207648 & 207220. 207648 has be
renumbered but otherwise all the revenue stenciling remains, showing a built
date of 1913. No source is stamped on the back so I don't know where I got
it. 207220 is from Ted Schnepf and is dated May 1970. The ends on both cars
are different than the one on the F&C model, with no exterior bracing and a
steel channel end sill, whereas the F&C model shows a pair of vertical steel
braces going up the ends and a different kind of structure at the bottom of
the ends (how to describe?!).

I am assuming that the fishbelly centersills were part of a rebuilding
program for the NP's truss rod cars but were they applied to all of their
cars, or only to some series? Some of their stock cars show this same
configuration. What about the ends? 207220 show no lumber door on its "A"
end, but this is something that would have likely been resheathed when it
was in company service. (207648 shows the "B" end)

I can build the new end, no problem, and have the centersill parts ready to
go. I am just unclear which is the legitimate end for these cars in the
1947-1953 time period. I am also unclear what a legitimate car number would
be. My 1953 ORER shows 282 cars of the same dimensions as 207648 in the
39504-40995 series, with lumber doors.

For those interested, I also have a photo of NP 49473, circa 1937, from the
Sirman collection. It shows four truss rods. It does not have the same
rectangular bolster ends that characterize 207648 & 207220. It is a dead on
side shot so the ends are not visible.

Can anyone clarify this class of cars on the NP in the postwar era?

Bill Welch


Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

CASO <caso@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "pieter_roos" <pieter.roos@...>
Google found two photos on the publicly accessable RPI site,
Soph-Marty collection; one wood and one steel. I'm not totally sure,
but both do look like GPEX cars.

Have scanned some of the photos from my collection:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008-2.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-155.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-131.jpg

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: Army boxcars at Mt. Union

CASO <caso@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
ggg9y@... writes:

<< And speaking of odd military cars, there used to be a whole string of
36' single-sheathed army boxcars sitting among the trees at Mt. Union,
Pennsylvania, hard by the old East Broad Top engine house. These were
standard gauge, and not equipped for overseas operation. I've heard the
area is now a shopping center, so I suppose they are all gone. >>

I always thought those Mt. Union cars looked like those 36' MEC boxcars
that
seemed to be around pretty late. Does anybody know what their heritage
is
(was)? Did the Army get them from the MEC, someone else, or were they
built new
for them?
On close inspection of the cars back around 1995, a couple of the cars had
Bangor & Aroostook heralds peeling through the paint.

Due to their position in the bush, the cars were difficult to photograph:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/bar-1.jpg

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: Cars of Interest - Pennsy Steam Years Volume 1

EHNBOM STAFFAN <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Ben Home wrote:
p 91: Altoona, PA (12th St), c. 1948
GN 26064, a 40 ft DS truss rod boxcar in clean paint clearly showing
black ends and red roof

That should be GN 28064 from the 28000-28499 series rebuilt with inverse dreadnaught ends and steel underframe in 1928, seldom seen in photographs, since about a month available in model kit form from Westerfield.

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Army boxcars at Mt. Union

armprem
 

The Rutland disposed of some 36 foot box cars during WWll.I thought
they went to Camp Polk,La.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: <CBarkan@...>
To: <ggg9y@...>; <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:14 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Army boxcars at Mt. Union


In a message dated 7/20/04 2:14:57 PM, ggg9y@... writes:

<< And speaking of odd military cars, there used to be a whole string of
36' single-sheathed army boxcars sitting among the trees at Mt. Union,
Pennsylvania, hard by the old East Broad Top engine house. These were
standard gauge, and not equipped for overseas operation. I've heard the
area is now a shopping center, so I suppose they are all gone. >>

I always thought those Mt. Union cars looked like those 36' MEC boxcars
that
seemed to be around pretty late. Does anybody know what their heritage is
(was)? Did the Army get them from the MEC, someone else, or were they
built new
for them?

Chris




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Re: Union, Elbows, Tees

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jul 24, 2004, at 6:00 AM, Jerry Dziedzic wrote:

Specialty tubing (small diameter) may be a good solution.  Sources?
Hypodermic tubing from Small Parts. www.smallparts.com.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: More Cars of Interest - Classic Trains Sept 2004

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jul 24, 2004, at 5:57 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

p 50 & 51 - New Orleans, LA - October 1943
Top photo - On the far right, a New Haven 1937 AAR boxcar (80593) and a
well-worn CB&Q car.
NH would be 30593.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Detail Assoc Dreadnaught ends

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Jul 23, 2004, at 9:41 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

     I assume this reference is to the gondola end. If so, it is
definitely a W-post end.
Whoops. No, I meant the box car ends.

Regards,
Ted


Re: Hazardous Material Placards

Michael Watnoski
 

Hi Bruce,

How about just cutting the placard out of the decal sheet
and applying it to the tackboard? Most decal papers are
quite thin and stiff and would seem to resemble scale
cardboard.

Michael


Bruce Smith wrote:


On Jul 21, 2004, at 9:58 PM, Michael Watnoski wrote:

Shawn and Bruce,

Would something like the etched brass parts from the
Sunshine X-3 kits work? These were made to fold over the
decal. I made these parts for Sunshine and could make the
more generic style if anyone thought there may be a market.
Michael,

I think that there is definitely a market for "standard" tank car
placards, as well as the UTLX style...

However, the decal set we are talking about goes way beyond that to
many different placards that would have been tacked to the tack boards
of cars... and I'm trying to figure out how to make these look like
cardboard, not decals. My latest attempt will be to decal very thin
sheet stock.

Happy Rails
Bruce


Union, Elbows, Tees

Jerry Dziedzic <jerdz@...>
 

Any known sources for HO scale parts suitable for 0.015-0.022
diameter brass wire? Handrails are the intended use.

Specialty tubing (small diameter) may be a good solution. Sources?


Jerry


More Cars of Interest - Classic Trains Sept 2004

Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
 

Ben offered some interesting observations from "Pennsy Steam Years, Vol 1". I picked up the September 2004 issue of Classic Trains recently and noticed several interesting freight cars in the backgrounds and foregrounds. An Optivisor helps when viewing some of these images. Even with the Optivisor, many car numbers are difficult to determine. I've offered my best guesses in several cases below.

p 18 - Valley, Nebraska - February 18, 1952
A stock car behind the big red UP loco. While I can't see any reporting marks, many of you were just discussing the color of some UP stock cars. This one obviously has a silver end and roof, with mineral red sides. Mike's probably busy painting one of his FEF's in primer red right now.

p 35 - Gloversville, NY - October 15, 1950
The lower color photo shows several reefers in different paint and lettering. The color seems to have held up well . Any guesses on the orange car in front of the Swift reefer? I'd think PFE, but the lettering doesn't seem to match well. The photo above would be just as interesting if it wasn't in the shadows.

p 41 - Chicago, Ill - Fall 1940
A train to the left of the IC terminal sports a B&O M53 and N&W X31-style round roof car. I'm at a loss for hte N&W car class here - B...somethingorother. I'll fail a pop quiz on N&W cars, that's for sure. Three NYC hoppers round out the short train. A few interesting cars are in the consist of the steam transfer freight on the far main.

p 43 - Chicago, Ill - November 1928
While the exact freight cars are difficult to identify, this aerial view offers some ideas for terminal, freight house, and team trackage. I'm drawn to the Rock Island freight houses along the right side of the photo.

p 50 & 51 - New Orleans, LA - October 1943
Top photo - On the far right, a New Haven 1937 AAR boxcar (80593) and a well-worn CB&Q car. I'm not up on too many mid-western cars, so I'm at a loss for what this Q car is. It looks similar to a 1923 ARA car, but it seems to have a wood door. It has a six digit number that looks like 113745 or 113345.

p 53 - Butte, Montana - 1950's
Lower photo - That looks like a Milwaukee USRA single sheathed boxcar, but there aren't three panels on the end and it doesn't seem to have 5-5-5 ribs. Any other thoughts on this one? The sill step looks odd as well, but that could have been a replacement.

p 54 - Brookemere, BC - June 1954
Canadian Pacific tank car - CP383565 (?) - I'm only beginning to understand tank cars, so this one is a mystery to me.

p 56 - Frankfort, Indiana - Spring 1945
Several images in "Building a Better Boxcar" offer glimpses of other cars in the background. The photo story is pretty interesting as NKP double sheathed boxcars are rebuilt with new steel sides and roof. In the background on p 63 is a NYC standard steel boxcar from the early 1920's that was based on the never-officially-used USRA design. The number seems to be 107127.

p 73 - near Redwood Valley, California - July 1950
A W&LE ARA boxcar in deepest California, four years after the Wheeling went to the NKP. It should be heading home soon to be repainted. Can anyone can identify the PRR boxcar behind it? It looks pretty new, or maybe it's just clean.

p 74 - near Cloverdale, California - A vague reference to 1952 in the text
Southern 261380 - Is this an ARA 1932 boxcar? The number doesn't match with the 1937 cars, even if it would be 262380. Those SP hoppers are interesting. Were these for stone or ballast hauling? Were they built this way, or cut down and modified from other cars?

More grist for the modeling mill!

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


NdeM ACF Box

Jerry Dziedzic <jerdz@...>
 

I completed Sunshine's kit, and am preparing to letter it. The
decals included are intended to letter both sides of the car in
Spanish with metric units of measure.

Did AAR rules specify that one side be lettered in English? If so,
the left or the right side?


Jerry

162561 - 162580 of 195428