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Re: ADMIN: Back on Watch

eci305@...
 

Mike

Glad your back. Did you have a good time ?

Loui Ullian


Rotting Steam Era cars (was ADMIN:Back on Watch)

blair kooistra <wallcloud@...>
 

Roger Miener wrote:

" . . .that group at Snoqualmie has more junk stored under
blue tarps than any other group on the face of the earth. Actually,
their stuff is not stored under blue tarps - it is just sitting out
there in front of God and everybody, no tarp at all ... and rotting.

That collection of rolling stock, well, we locals call it (blue tarp
or no) the Snoqualmie stuff ( Yep, we all know where it is)
Everything there is called "The Funny Farm."stuff. It is a bunch of
rotting junk. Take your photos as fast as you can. What is left
there will not be left for long.

I sez:

Roger, I'm feeling your pain. I made a similar comment regarding this
collection a couple of years ago and was given a loud Huzzah! by a member
who took exception to my comments. But, what can you do? This stuff takes
money--lots of money--to restore, and it even takes lots of money to
stabilize and keep out the elements until you DO have money to restore it
(I've got bittersweet feelings that the former Walla Walla Valley HH660 770
has been purchased by the group for preservation. . .)

I guess I'm fatalistic about it now. If this stuff wasn't donated (I didn't
say "preserved") to a museum in the first place, it'd be long gone. If it
was donated to a different museum, who knows what its fate would be? Even
museums such as Sacramento and Union have a large backlot of stuff rusting
and rotting away that they may never get to unless some retired Microsofter
donates his option windfall to restore.

So, photographs are a good piece of advice--do them now. No doubt the next
generation will have even less "in the flesh" relics of the steam era to
base their models on, and all we'll have are photographs to go by. Of
course, we all know the next generation will only be modeling through their
MSTS, don't we?

--blair kooistra
Fort Worth, Texas
(not too far from Dallas, home of the "Age of Rust" museum, also with a fine
collection and too little money to keep it up, let alone restore anything
new)


Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?

Schroeders <schroeder.bears@...>
 

hello, will write in the next few days, Marcus is sick and we have to
rearrange the furniture at home for more space...

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Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Original GPEX source of CMWX wine tank car?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brennan" <brennan8@...>
Terry... do you have the when / where taken info on these Chateau Martin
wine car photos?
All photos are marked Baltimore, Maryland, with dates as follows:

October 17, 1965:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008.jpg

October 16, 1965:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-1008-2.jpg

July 9, 1967:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-155.jpg

November 21, 1965:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/cmwx-131.jpg

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@...
www.canadasouthern.com




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Re: ADMIN: Back on Watch

Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
 

Mike Brock is back ... and says ...

I will say that I found several real steam era NP box cars
at Snoqualmie including a pretty nice looking 40 ft radial roof DS.
I took
photos and once I identify them we'll see if anyone has need of
copies.

Mike, really? You went to the wreck track? Did you? And you found
something of interest? Hooray for you.

Yes, I would like to see the photos. I would like to see them with
the blue tarps peeled back. You have those photos? Mike, you do?
Well then, I would definitely like to see them because, I live here -
and I have never seen that.

I say this because that group at Snoqualmie has more junk stored under
blue tarps than any other group on the face of the earth. Actually,
their stuff is not stored under blue tarps - it is just sitting out
there in front of God and everybody, no tarp at all ... and rotting.

That collection of rolling stock, well, we locals call it (blue tarp
or no) the Snoqualmie stuff ( Yep, we all know where it is)
Everything there is called "The Funny Farm."stuff. It is a bunch of
rotting junk. Take your photos as fast as you can. What is left
there will not be left for long.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA USA


ADMIN: Back on Watch

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I regret to say that I'm back on duty prepared to absorb the daily
punishment of keeping the 844 [ what a nice number ] plus members on subject
[ frt cars, guys ]. Special thanks to Jeff Aley for his efforts while I
attended the NMRA National. Jeff can now enjoy himself at any theme park
built by anyone.

I'm certain that most of the new frt car models shown at the train
show...the Santa Fe stock car looked nice...have been discussed about as
much as kits/RTR. I will say that I found several real steam era NP box cars
at Snoqualmie including a pretty nice looking 40 ft radial roof DS. I took
photos and once I identify them we'll see if anyone has need of copies.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Cars of Interest - Pennsy Steam Years Volume 1

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Michael Larcombe asked:
Are these the same cars described by Chuck Y in the Oct '80 RMC?

It sure looks like it - unfortunatley, all that's visibile in the photo is the B end of the car.


Ben Hom


Re: B&O stock car redux

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Len Allman wrote:
"Seems I remember ERIE had some similar appearing steel stockcars which it sold to PRR."

The only similarity in appearance between the B&O leased ex-ATSF automobile boxcars and the Erie conversions is that they both looked like 50 ft steel boxcars. Erie 9950-9974, 25 cars, single door cars rebuilt June 1960 from automobile boxcars in the 68200-68299 series, which had Viking roofs and Buckeye ends. These cars were later sold to PRR in 1965, becoming PRR 131300-131324, Class K12. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 Railroad Model Craftsman.

(If you're really interested in this subject, I highly recommend getting a copy of this article - it has answered almost every late 1950s - early 1960s converted stock car question on this list. Print sources are far from dead.)


Ben Hom


Re: Car parts

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Williams asked:
"Anyhow, does anybody know where I could get the original doors for
the M-53s?"

Bill, I answered this question extensively for you three weeks ago. These doors are extremely easy to scratchbuild - they are esentially one flat plate with virtually no rivet detail. You only need to add a tack board, door latch hardware, door rollers, and the two "cleats" (I'm not sure of the correct terminology - the grab iron thingies). If you're not comfortable with scratchbuilding the door, you can try to get one from the old Red Ball/Cannonball kits. I gave you a contact e-mail to Model Railroad Warehouse in my last e-mail - they currently have the dies to this kit, and may be able to help you out. Additionally, some of the folks on this list may have this kit and might be convinced to help you out with the door castings.


"Also, with Champ "still in business" but with a very limited choice
of decals, who, if anybody, is their replacement for a good selection
of steam era decals? If there is (are) any, where can I get their
catalogs?"

Have you checked their online decal catalog lately at http://www.minot.com/~champ ? If that's a "very limited" choice of decals, I think we're still doing pretty good. The set you need, Champ HB-2, is still in stock. Additionally, a good one-stop website with links to many small decal manufacturers is at http://www.greatdecals.com .


Ben Hom


Car parts

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

I have some old (1968) brass B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars. New info,
RPCyc., tells me that they not only need to be re-decaled to the
original lettering scheme but also need the original flat doors to
replace the Youngstown doors on the model.
I contacted CHS, which makes kits for these cars but was told that
they didn't sell individual parts. I thought that one of the reasons
for keeping kits, not all RTR, is to get parts from kit makers. Guess
not always, huh!? Hey, it's still before midnight!
Anyhow, does anybody know where I could get the original doors for
the M-53s? I tried Walthers, lots of parts listed but not these.
Also, with Champ "still in business" but with a very limited choice
of decals, who, if anybody, is their replacement for a good selection
of steam era decals? If there is (are) any, where can I get their
catalogs?
Thanks
Bill Williams


Re: SP&S USRA DS boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

Here you are, Rob.

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Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Decals for W&R Clark Cars

Gary Laakso <glaaks0@...>
 

What decals should I use for Northern Pacific and Spokane, Portland & Seattle clark cars that W&R brought in?


Re: SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

There's a lesson learned. Thanks Al.

Rob Kirkham


Re: SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

That would be very helpful Richard, Thank you.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car


And an idea for photos circa late 1930's to late 1940's?
I have a Dusty Miller print of a car with a '41 reweigh date which I could
scan for you, if that would be helpful.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520






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Re: SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Rob - If you'd purchased one at my booth you would have received a complete
history and decals covering 4 lettering styles. Go to
http://users.multipro.com/westerfield and kits 3819 and 3869 for photos. -
Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car


I was able to drop in to the NMRA Train Show in Seattle, and picked up the
SP&S USRA DS boxcar kit. I was told it was designed for the show. When I
got home, the instructions were generic USRA boxcar history, with not a word
about the SP&S car. So I'm wondering, can anyone provide me an idea of when
these cars were in the SP&S scheme(s)? And an idea for photos circa late
1930's to late 1940's?

Thanks in advance.

Rob Kirkham


Re: ADMIN: No politics

Scott Pitzer
 

Jeff shuts down the topic of Politics, but then he mentions Six Flags, which, in its original form "Six Flags Over Texas," refers to France, Spain, Mexico, the Texas Republic, the Confederate States of America, and the USA. If bringing up that list isn't asking for trouble, I don't know what is! And are those roller coasters prefabricated with cheap labor, or are they sent to the site in kit form? Does Walthers stock any HO versions of the coasters? And why did it take you so long to get Hom-- I mean, home?
Scott Pitzer
========


Where's Jeff Aley when we need him?
Actually, I was at Six Flags riding roller coasters with the family...


Re: ADMIN: No politics

Jon Cagle <jscagle@...>
 

Jeff:

2:08pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Where's Jeff Aley when we need him?
Actually, I was at Six Flags riding roller coasters with the family...

But now I'm back.

Oh, I see! You don't have time to build kits, but you have to time to ride Roller Coasters ! ! ! ? ? ?

Jon
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From: jaley
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ADMIN: No politics

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ADMIN: Therapy time ends Monday 12:01AM

jaley <jaley@...>
 

All,

Some may find that expressing their frustration on "Kits vs RTR"
is thereaputic.

You may continue to discuss this topic until 12:01 AM on Monday.

After that, "Kits vs RTR" is OFF TOPIC. We need to get back to
freight cars, and the discussion generates neither change nor education.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley,
Deputy Moderator, STMFC


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Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


ADMIN: No politics

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Jul 23, 2:08pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Where's Jeff Aley when we need him?
Actually, I was at Six Flags riding roller coasters with the family...

But now I'm back, and it's nice to see that most of us agree:

POLITICS ARE OFF TOPIC FOR STMFC. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR POLITICAL
OPINIONS ARE; KEEP THEM OFF-LIST.

* THIS MEANS NO COMMENTS ABOUT CHINESE LABOR.
* THIS MEANS NO COMMENTS ABOUT RIGHT- OR LEFT- WING POLITICS.
* THIS MEANS NO ON-LIST RESPONSE WHEN SOMEONE INSULTS YOUR FAVORITE
POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW.


Thanks for your cooperation.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

--
Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car

Richard Hendrickson
 

And an idea for photos circa late 1930's to late 1940's?
I have a Dusty Miller print of a car with a '41 reweigh date which I could
scan for you, if that would be helpful.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: SP&S USRA DS boxcar - F & C NMRAshow car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Rob, SP&S USRA box cars were used in interchange and traveled widely
off-line. In the early '50s 140 of them were rebuilt into roofless wood
chip cars in the 39000-39139 series, but as of 1/53 128 cars were still in
service as XMs. Their numbers declined steadily after that, but 36 were
still shown as active in the 10/58 ORER, though by that time they probably
didn't go off line very much (or very far).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

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