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Re: PS-1 list

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 04:19 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

Thanks much for the "job order" information. What you say suggests that
the WP cars were not originally built for them, but rather converted
from cars "in stock". Now I doubt that Pullman built cars on speculation
like tract homes, so perhaps they were built from demonstrators of some
sort? Could they have been pulled from another railroad's cars under
construction, or maybe an order that was cancelled?
Garth,
Regarding the two WP cars, I don't have any information if they were built as Pullman-Standard experimental cars or built for other reasons. These cars predated by 1-1/2 years the 100 cars built for a variety of roads (lot no. 8160) with P-S cushioned underframe. Also, the latter had 8' door openings and other visible differences. The answer may be in the P-S correspondence files located at the Illinois Railway Museum. I will check with Jim Kinkaid, who has studied P-S cars to a great extent.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: IC slogan date

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

What are the other two?

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom [mailto:b.hom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: IC slogan date

Eric Hansmann wrote:
<sigh>.....I guess I need to look over the lists of the 1937 AAR Boxcars
to see what I can make this kit into.

If you still want to do an IC Modified 1937 AAR boxcar, you've got two
other
options:

- Intermountain #40899 Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit plus Sunshine
Minikit
MK-10B. The Sunshine minikit has the correct ends and decals for the
square
corner post cars.

- Upgrade the Athearn 40 ft prewar AAR boxcar. The IC cars are one of
the
(only) three prototypes that can be correctly modeled by this overused
and
abused kit.

As for your Red Caboose kit, here's a head start:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarmain.html


Ben Hom








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Re: IC slogan date

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
<sigh>.....I guess I need to look over the lists of the 1937 AAR Boxcars
to see what I can make this kit into.

If you still want to do an IC Modified 1937 AAR boxcar, you've got two other
options:

- Intermountain #40899 Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit plus Sunshine Minikit
MK-10B. The Sunshine minikit has the correct ends and decals for the square
corner post cars.

- Upgrade the Athearn 40 ft prewar AAR boxcar. The IC cars are one of the
(only) three prototypes that can be correctly modeled by this overused and
abused kit.

As for your Red Caboose kit, here's a head start:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarmain.html


Ben Hom


Re: Working on the ends

Schuyler Larrabee
 

But Denny, you've left out the most important bit
of information:

Did you find the retainer valve?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Anspach
[mailto:danspach@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Working on the ends

Thank you all for the plethora of good ideas and
workarounds
on this common problem. Although I am vowing to
actually make
a clamp much as Jon Miller describes, the china
mug idea is
so dirt simple obvious that I have already put
it to work!

Marty McG's inverted cone is intriguing.

That I should watch my words and syntax when
Tony Thompson
is reading is a lesson that I relearn too often.
Can I
indeed crawl and type on the internet at the
same time? No,
but I can alternate (;-).

Good tweezers: a hot topic. The errant retainer
valve was
the direct result of being held in inadequate
tweezers in one
hand, while holding the car in the second, and
simultaneous
applying ACC with the third.

Jack Burgess's Swiss-made Vigor tweezers are
among the best.
DuMont is the another good name.

My best tweezers were acquired when I was a
young medical
intern some 40 years ago. A bad habit common to
high strung
surgeons of the day was to take out operative
frustrations on
the nearest object not the patient- the
instruments at hand.
More instruments would go flying across the room
accompanied
by imprecations and "bad language", always with
a comment
that whatever was not going right was the fault
of "that
lousy scalpel. clamp, tweezers, etc. (fill in
the blanks)".
Well, these instruments, once thrown, could
never be used
again, and,,,,, there was almost ever nothing
wrong with
them! Well, yours truly, impecunious , promptly
swept these
tools up at the end of the surgery into my
modeling toolbox;
and yet today, although now a little worse for
wear, they
still form the center of my most reliable
modeling tools.

BTW, throwing operative instruments today would
result in a
suspension- as it should have years ago as well.

Denny



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Re: Salzberg SS Boxcars

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim Gilbert wrote:
"Unfortunately, the link given is a cropped version of another link
provided the group prior."

Here's the full version of the photo in question:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-w/wag5240ajs.jpg


Ben Hom


Re: Wood Reefer

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

I'm with Marty. Meat Reefer, 36' wood with three hinges per door. A URTC
design would be nice. And forget trying to make the doors open.

While the IaC is now packed awaiting the moving truck, hopefully a day will
come when meat trains will again be leaving Deckers and we will need more
meat reefers.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
www.iowatelecom.net/~dharding/


Re: Working on the ends

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Thank you all for the plethora of good ideas and workarounds on this common problem. Although I am vowing to actually make a clamp much as Jon Miller describes, the china mug idea is so dirt simple obvious that I have already put it to work!

Marty McG's inverted cone is intriguing.

That I should watch my words and syntax when Tony Thompson is reading is a lesson that I relearn too often. Can I indeed crawl and type on the internet at the same time? No, but I can alternate (;-).

Good tweezers: a hot topic. The errant retainer valve was the direct result of being held in inadequate tweezers in one hand, while holding the car in the second, and simultaneous applying ACC with the third.

Jack Burgess's Swiss-made Vigor tweezers are among the best. DuMont is the another good name.

My best tweezers were acquired when I was a young medical intern some 40 years ago. A bad habit common to high strung surgeons of the day was to take out operative frustrations on the nearest object not the patient- the instruments at hand. More instruments would go flying across the room accompanied by imprecations and "bad language", always with a comment that whatever was not going right was the fault of "that lousy scalpel. clamp, tweezers, etc. (fill in the blanks)". Well, these instruments, once thrown, could never be used again, and,,,,, there was almost ever nothing wrong with them! Well, yours truly, impecunious , promptly swept these tools up at the end of the surgery into my modeling toolbox; and yet today, although now a little worse for wear, they still form the center of my most reliable modeling tools.

BTW, throwing operative instruments today would result in a suspension- as it should have years ago as well.

Denny


Re: Wood Reefer

Greg Martin
 

Marty you wrote...

No doubt someone will create a pet favorite to hawk, but there have been several done, and more, including our finally moving forward "FGE Reefer" here at IRC are in the works.
One car I would personally love to see in styrene is (pardon the generic description) a nicely rendered model of a "Meat Reefer"

Marty<

Marty,

One car that was built in mass was the MDT wood reefers. You can pick your spot and there were some very good drawings and an extensive article in MM with several "classes" featured... Richard Hendrickson help me out here... But these cars are a missing link and I would think you, as an eastern modeler, would love these, beside you could do it in N Scale as well... And we are still going to some day, at some point, bring you back to HO Scale... 3^)

Greg Martin


Re: mystery Erie box car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

If/When Brian goes to see this car, maybe he can
confirm or disprove something I've read about
these cars, that the side sheets were attached to
the car with Flat Head Wood Screws driven into the
wood siding, which was left in place, into
countersunk holes in the steel sheets. If that's
true, what was the spacing on the screws? How
thick were the sheets of steel? For the truly
obsessive, what number screws were they? ;^)

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Daniels [mailto:shalizadad@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:21 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] mystery Erie box car


I'd always wondered what the deal was with this
car:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie71497b.jp
g

Guess that explains it. Thanks!

Rob Daniels
New York, NY

--- ed_mines <ed_mines@...> wrote:

The mystery Erie box car is from the 71,000 or
72,000
series of what I
call "rebuilt" Erie box cars. These were
originally single sheathed
auto box cars which were later sided with
steel sheets and somehow
reclassified as "steel" box cars. The sides
were rivet free and the
cars retained wood doors.

There were some pictures of these cars in the
RMC article
on Rochester
subways and Charles Winters & Dan Biernacki
offered a big, roster
style photos of these cars. John LaRue has
serveral photos of these
car converted to MOW service (the car in the
photo has a window so
must have been in MOW service).

Some of these cars were sold to a railroad in
Mexico
(Winters photo),
some to AC&Y (Bob's photos photo).

There were 2 series with only slightly
different capacities and the
ends are different. I suspect that this car is
from the
less numerous,
higher numbered series (72,500- 72,999?).

Ed








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Re: 9 and 11 panel Gons

Jim or Lisa Hayes <jim-and-lisa@...>
 

There are 40' gons for at least 18 roads coming, plus a 50 footer for NYC,
plus the Bethlehem 53'6" gon for NE roads including B&O Duryea U/F and WM 50
ton straight sided, plus NKP 48'6".

Jim Hayes
Portland OR


Re: Was Vinegar tank car

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Thanks John,

Peter
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It is indeed a weed sprayer. ORER shows it owned by First Union Properties, but it probably was run by Allied Chemical & Dye Corporation, which had a weed spray division.

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Re: Branchline C&EI Orange Boxcars - proto info?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 10:37 AM, umtrr wrote:

What I'm looking for is any help on citations around the prototype
and how close the Branchline car might (or might not) be. Can
anyone give any direction? The build date printed on the Branchline
car is either 9-43 or more likely 9-45. Searches of this list, the
net in general and the Model RR Magazine Index turned up nothing
useful.
George,
These C&EI express box cars were built in 1945 by Pullman-Standard. Builder's photos of all 5 cars are shown in RP CYC Volumes 6 and 8. The ends on the BT Yardmaster models are not accurate for the prototype cars. The prototype cars had 4/5 corrugated Pullman ends and not the 4/5 Dreadnaught style as on the model. The Youngstown doors shown on the model photo are also incorrect as the prototype cars had 7-panel Superior doors. Buy RP CYC by going to http://www.geocities.com/rpcyc/home.html (shameless plug).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Branchline C&EI Orange Boxcars - proto info?

Adam Maas <mykroft@...>
 

Given that the issues are doors, ends, underframe and possibly the roof, all of which are seperate parts on the Yardmaster kits, it shouldn't be an issue. The hardest part would likely be the underframe, as it has molded-on brake rigging, which would probably have to be removed and rebuilt from discrete parts.

The molded on parts on the Yardmasters are ladders & grabs, the B-end brake rigging (Molded to the B end, which is a seperate part) and the underframe rigging (Which is molded to the underframe).

I'd probably use a Blueprint underframe to start, with the main Yardmaster body, and appropriate ends & roof. Of course painting the ends/roof may be an issue.

Adam


Garth Groff wrote:

Jan,
Changes are not quite so easy on these cars. They are from the Yardmaster series, which have some details molded onto the body casting.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Dick Berry wrote (in part):

As for the Branchline model, the sides appear to be lettered correctly. The
doors are not corect and the ends need to be changed. I cannot comment on
the roof and underframe or end and underframe details but I suspect changes
need to be made.

Dick Berry
Warsaw, Indiana


Re: Branchline C&EI Orange Boxcars - proto info?

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jan,

Changes are not quite so easy on these cars. They are from the Yardmaster series, which have some details molded onto the body casting.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Dick Berry wrote (in part):

As for the Branchline model, the sides appear to be lettered correctly. The
doors are not corect and the ends need to be changed. I cannot comment on
the roof and underframe or end and underframe details but I suspect changes
need to be made.

Dick Berry
Warsaw, Indiana


Re: Wood Reefer

Marty McGuirk <mac@...>
 

Bruce,

Well, yes they ran in the 1950s but these are cars that were rebuilt in the 1930s (if memory serves, I'm up to my eyeballs in other things right now, and Fred has the information on the cars . . . .)

All I know is scads of these things ran on the CV in the 1950s, but I'm not biased.

I've heard there MAY be another FGE reefer coming as well, but it isn't from us.

Marty


Re: Wood Reefer

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Aug 25, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:

No doubt someone will create a pet favorite to hawk, but there have
been several done, and more, including our finally moving forward "FGE
Reefer" here at IRC are in the works.
Marty,

My understanding from previous discussion was that the FGE "woodie" that y'all are doing is a 1950s era car. Is that correct?

Since Bob was asking about 1940's era cars, the two common earlier FGE/WFE woodies are available from Sunshine, but might do well in styrene. Other "missing" reefers include some of the MDT classes.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Wood Reefer

Marty McGuirk <mac@...>
 

No doubt someone will create a pet favorite to hawk, but there have
been several done, and more, including our finally moving forward "FGE
Reefer" here at IRC are in the works.

One car I would personally love to see in styrene is (pardon the
generic description) a nicely rendered model of a "Meat Reefer"

Marty


On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 11:01 AM, Bob Webber wrote:

Out of morbid curiosity, is there a wood reefer that is "missing" that
no
one is tooling up that would make a good project for a manufacturer?  
I'm
thinking of perhaps a 36' or maybe longer, post 20's that would look
appropriate in a 40's train (if that makes sense).

I'm thinking (parochially, I'll admit), of more Western flavor, perhaps
(preferably?) one that could be used by more than one entity, perhaps
more
than one era were it to be modernized over time.  Assume that this is a
project that would be done correctly, given the right reference
material.

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Re: Branchline C&EI Orange Boxcars - proto info?

Jan Berry <rberry@...>
 

Regarding the C&EI numbers 1-5, I have found the following information so
far. Railway Prototype Cyclopedia's Volumes 6 and 8 picture these cars. In
Volume 6, p17, #1 is pictured and described as being equipped with steam and
signal lines. Volume 8, pp 2 and 3 show the remaining cars #2-5.
Additionally an end shot of 5 appears on page 4. They clearly have steam
lines and are classiified as BX which I believe is the AAR code for Express
boxcars.
As for the Branchline model, the sides appear to be lettered correctly. The
doors are not corect and the ends need to be changed. I cannot comment on
the roof and underframe or end and underframe details but I suspect changes
need to be made.

Dick Berry
Warsaw, Indiana


New Yahoo Group -- SNE_RY

Marty McGuirk <mac@...>
 

Hello all,

You are invited to join my new Yahoo Group, SNE_RY

In an effort to have a single clearing house for questions, updates,
and other information on my HO scale Southern New England Railway I've
created this group.

Subscribe for updates on progress on the SNE, information on
locomotives, rolling stock and structure modeling.
Information on upcoming open houses and operating sessions will also be
posted here. Files and photo sections will be used to provide a look at
this HO scale New England railroad.

To subscribe go to SNE_RY-subscribe@...

Sorry for any duplicate posting.

Special note to the members of STMFC list: Although this post is not
100% within the guidelines of the list subject, I do have a habit of
digging up some pretty neat freight car photos (ask Ben Hom and Ted
Culotta if you don't believe me!) and will be posting them in the
"Shared Files" or Photo sections of the list.

Thanks to one and all,

Marty


Re: 9 and 11 panel Gons

switchengines <jrs060@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@s...> wrote:

On Aug 24, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Jim or Lisa Hayes wrote:

Martin has indicated that all of the 40 footers (ACL, CNW/CMO,
WAB,
>WLE, P&WV, GM&O, C&O, CRR, PM and a few others I am probably
>forgetting,)

Well, yes, you are forgetting a few including GN, NP, SP&S,
Alaska,
and the
all important "etc."
Well I guess you can include them, but I forgot them because they
don't
exist yet as it's 1947.

Ted Culotta
Yes Ted that is true, but the M-K-T car did and Martin is
doing them too. What I'm wondering is what of the Bethlehem
mill gondolas is he doing? What gets planned, and what gets
done, can be two different things with Sunshine. He writes
that he is doing the Western Maryland cars, but which one's
the 53'6" or/and the 48'6"?
Regards,
Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.

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