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Re: Shops with Red Caboose SP R-70-7???

Shawn Beckert
 

Bruce's Trains in Sacramento had quite a few of the RTR flatcars a
couple of months ago, you might try them. Central Coast Trains in
Atascadero, CA stocks the kits and can special order as well. I just
picked up eight of them from there.

Note: Red Caboose is shipping their "6-Pack" kits in one big oblong
box, with all the parts in little baggies. It'll take days to separate
out all the parts for one car. ;-)

Shawn Beckert

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Cook [mailto:dhc628@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:44 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Shops with Red Caboose SP R-70-7???



Does anyone have any leads on shops that have these in stock and will
ship? I have a friend that's looking for these and has had no luck
with anyone locally. He's interested in the SP cars. Anyone on the
west coast have a good shop that stocks these?

Thanks,
Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN





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Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Paul Hillman
 

--- asychis@aol.com<mailto:asychis@aol.com> wrote:

These will make excellent loads. I can't wait to
find out what years they represent.

***************************************************************************************
This is something which I've been wanting to see for a long time, that model manufacturers would always state the era of the prototype which they have modelled, instead of leaving it up to the potential consumer to determine.

Some models do contain those era-descriptions, but it would be nice if they all did.

There should be a NMRMA, (National Model Railroad Manufacturer Association), if there isn't one, to establish certain principles like that. Or, I only buy that which does so list it's original production era.

They did all the research to make the model. Why not tell us??

Paul Hillman


Shops with Red Caboose SP R-70-7???

Jason C
 

Does anyone have any leads on shops that have these in stock and will
ship? I have a friend that's looking for these and has had no luck
with anyone locally. He's interested in the SP cars. Anyone on the
west coast have a good shop that stocks these?

Thanks,
Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

True, true. I remember the Walthers resin trucks with decals that had to be
spliced together...
--
Brian Ehni

From: "ljack70117@adelphia.net" <ljack70117@adelphia.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:27:39 -0400
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Brian Ehni <behni@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's new John Deere Tractors


On Friday, September 24, 2004, at 02:24 PM, Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

And again, Deere has been doing this for many years now; they didn't
just
recently decide to shut the barn door.
--
Brian Ehni
Same goes for UPS. They just don't let any one use their's. Even their
package trucks are their own design and are protected.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
If love is blind, why do we speak of love at first sight?


Re: Straightening Warped Resin Castings

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Of the two, the hot water method is safer -- for you, not the casting. When
resin cures is does release chemicals (as does anything that calls for
mixing part A with part b) and some people can become alergic with minimal
exposure. **Almost all** people won't of course, but I'll stand here as one
who has and has become so only a kit consumer, not as a caster (who you
might expect gets a much stronger level of exposure). It's largely the
person, not the dose, that makes the difference. I'm just unlucky I guess.

So having these chemicals released around food surfaces, such as in your
oven or microwave might not be a very smart idea, esp. when the alternative
can be an old bucket and water down the drain.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

Dave, you can use either of the methods (water or oven) to warm up the
casting, but I use a 3/8" tempered glass plate with a weight (or weights) on
top of the casting to hold it flat. Once it cools to room temperature, it
will hold its new shape.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

ljack70117@...
 

On Friday, September 24, 2004, at 02:24 PM, Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

And again, Deere has been doing this for many years now; they didn't just
recently decide to shut the barn door.
--
Brian Ehni
Same goes for UPS. They just don't let any one use their's. Even their package trucks are their own design and are protected.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@adelphia.net
If love is blind, why do we speak of love at first sight?


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
 

They also sell the product - something that UP does not do. Of course, were you in S scale, all of this would be years old - there have been MANY choices for years. Farm Alls, Fords, Deere's, etc. Combines, plows, etc - they (the manufacturer, not Deere) coordinate with several manufacturers and have complete sets for the farm. And have for years. And Deere has had farm sets for years. In S scale, this translates to wonderful load possibilities. Fortunately, they also recognize the value of producing (and vetting) historical products. And, as I say, they sell them.

On the opposite side of "The Field of Dreams" in Iowa (Dyersville) is one factory where these are made - and the factory shop is almost enough for someone to want to cross scales by itself. Cows, sheep, and other farm animals, farm machinery, "barns" 9though there are many better choices), fences, etc. - the result is, one can fill a stock car, or have flat cars with very nice loads. And, when one goes to the factory, a bag of cows costs what a card (of cows) does in a regular shop. So, filling out that stock pen and those PBL cars is no problem....

There is a monthly magazine that they publish with all of the offerings, and they always have the collectors in there. Walls of farm stuff. and they obviously know the difference. Which is a good thing, because I have to take the word on it.

At 01:24 PM 9/24/2004, you wrote:
And again, Deere has been doing this for many years now; they didn't just
recently decide to shut the barn door.
--
Brian Ehni


From: Jason C <dhc628@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

--- asychis@aol.com wrote:

These will make excellent loads. I can't wait to
find out waht years they
represent. Something very curious too, Atheran has a
licensing agreement with
Deere.....Hmmmm, and a lawsuit with UP. Once
burned?

Jerry Michels
Deere is well known to agressively protect and market
their trademarks and image. Deere's lawyers have
walked into more than one toy tractor show and handed
out cease and desist orders to custom builders of farm
toys. Green paint and yellow decals are a whole
different world from what we are used to in model
railroading and I shudder to think that we are on that
path. I've heard rumors that Deere makes as much from
merchandising and licensing as they do from selling ag
equipment. I'd much rather face off against the UP
than Deere & Co in court. Athearn picked the smarter
fight.

Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

C J Wyatt
 

<<Deere is well known to agressively protect and market
their trademarks and image. Deere's lawyers have
walked into more than one toy tractor show and handed
out cease and desist orders to custom builders of farm
toys. Green paint and yellow decals are a whole
different world from what we are used to in model
railroading and I shudder to think that we are on that
path. I've heard rumors that Deere makes as much from
merchandising and licensing as they do from selling ag
equipment. I'd much rather face off against the UP
than Deere & Co in court. Athearn picked the smarter
fight.

Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN>>

This is probably not the place to discuss licensing, but I think Jason is
right. For JD even to look at your licensed product idea, you have to put
out a thousand dollars: http://www.deere.com/en_US/compinfo/licensing/

I don't think Athearn is being inconsistent since its main product line,
model trains, has traditionally been marketed without licensing. John
Deere's product licensing goes back a long way, so in a sense it has decided
almost from the start that miscellaneous products with its trademarks are
part of its business.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jason and Ian,

You should keep an eye on the miniature Christmas ornaments from Hallmark. Every year they offer a new die cast tractor in approximately HO scale. These are not as nicely done as the Athearn tractors, but far better than the old soft metal blobs we used to put up with. Add a new steering wheel, remove the little hanging loop, a little weathering, and voila!, you have a pretty good looking model. I don't know what this year's offering is; it looks a bit like the model D but I'm pretty sure it isn't a Deere. Last year (or maybe the year before) they offered a really nice Minneapolis-Moline which I grabbed. Some Hallmark shops close out their stuff for 1/2 price after Christmas. Others keep back stock at reduced prices.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Ian and Jason wrote:

Athearn are too produce three John Deere 1/87 scale
tractors.
http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/0904late/DEERE_HO_tra_0904_late.jpg

Ian Clasper


Ian,
. . . Excellent looking tractors from Athearn but I'd
really like to see someone branch out and do the
Farmalls, Allis Chalmers, Olivers, and so on. Hope
this helps.

Sincerely,
Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

And again, Deere has been doing this for many years now; they didn't just
recently decide to shut the barn door.
--
Brian Ehni

From: Jason C <dhc628@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

--- asychis@aol.com wrote:

These will make excellent loads. I can't wait to
find out waht years they
represent. Something very curious too, Atheran has a
licensing agreement with
Deere.....Hmmmm, and a lawsuit with UP. Once
burned?

Jerry Michels
Deere is well known to agressively protect and market
their trademarks and image. Deere's lawyers have
walked into more than one toy tractor show and handed
out cease and desist orders to custom builders of farm
toys. Green paint and yellow decals are a whole
different world from what we are used to in model
railroading and I shudder to think that we are on that
path. I've heard rumors that Deere makes as much from
merchandising and licensing as they do from selling ag
equipment. I'd much rather face off against the UP
than Deere & Co in court. Athearn picked the smarter
fight.

Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Jason C
 

--- asychis@aol.com wrote:

These will make excellent loads. I can't wait to
find out waht years they
represent. Something very curious too, Atheran has a
licensing agreement with
Deere.....Hmmmm, and a lawsuit with UP. Once
burned?

Jerry Michels
Deere is well known to agressively protect and market
their trademarks and image. Deere's lawyers have
walked into more than one toy tractor show and handed
out cease and desist orders to custom builders of farm
toys. Green paint and yellow decals are a whole
different world from what we are used to in model
railroading and I shudder to think that we are on that
path. I've heard rumors that Deere makes as much from
merchandising and licensing as they do from selling ag
equipment. I'd much rather face off against the UP
than Deere & Co in court. Athearn picked the smarter
fight.

Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN



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Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Jason C
 

--- ian clasper <ianclasper@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Folks

Athearn are too produce three John Deere 1/87 scale
tractors.
http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/0904late/DEERE_HO_tra_0904_late.jpg

Question is, what production years are these
tractors ?
Looking at the photos, they would make great flatcar
loads and are
not too expensive.

Ian Clasper
Ian,

The GP and Unstyled D are both prewar with the GP
dating to the early '30s IIRC and the D back as far as
1923 or 24 and later depending on the diameter of the
spoked flywheel. If you can spot a 2" difference on
that flywheel, then I guess you'll be able to tell if
it's a 1923-24 or a later model. The Model 60 would
be early to mid 1950's. For a new, in transit load,
1954-56 would probably be safe. Don't have my books
here at work, it may go as early as '53 or even '52
although I think the "A" was still in production in
'52. Excellent looking tractors from Athearn but I'd
really like to see someone branch out and do the
Farmalls, Allis Chalmers, Olivers, and so on. Hope
this helps.

Sincerely,
Jason Cook
Fort Wayne, IN




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Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Not to get too far off topic, the September Mainline Modeler has an editorial on the subject of licensing.
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Culotta
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's new John Deere Tractors



On Sep 24, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

> > Jerry Michels wrote:
> Something very curious too, Atheran has a licensing
> > agreement with
> > Deere.....Hmmmm, and a lawsuit with UP. Once burned?
>
> Or maybe Deere has a REASONABLE licensing agreement.
>
Athearn's licensing agreement with Deere predates the current flap with
UP or even UP's efforts at strongarming, er, licensing. By the way,
the Deere Series 60 that is being offered is a few years old and Gene
Green made some observations about them on this list. Check the
archives..

Regards,
Ted Culotta


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Re: Straightening Warped Resin Castings

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dehusman" <dehusman@c...> wrote:
I aplogize if this has been covered recently, but I haven't been able
to find anything in an archive search.

I have recently acquired an older Westerfield kit and the car ends
are slightly warped. They are the dark grey filled polyester resin.
What is the best way to straighten/flatten the castings?

Dave H
Dave
The other method that works with some resins(I don't know about the
older Westerfield resin you have), is to use the micro-wave. 7-9
seconds at a time to heat up the item and let cool.
Pierre Oliver


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Sep 24, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Jerry Michels wrote:
Something very curious too, Atheran has a licensing
> agreement with
> Deere.....Hmmmm, and a lawsuit with UP.  Once burned?

      Or maybe Deere has a REASONABLE licensing agreement.
Athearn's licensing agreement with Deere predates the current flap with
UP or even UP's efforts at strongarming, er, licensing. By the way,
the Deere Series 60 that is being offered is a few years old and Gene
Green made some observations about them on this list. Check the
archives..

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Michels wrote:
These will make excellent loads. I can't wait to find out waht years they
represent. Something very curious too, Atheran has a licensing agreement with
Deere.....Hmmmm, and a lawsuit with UP. Once burned?
Or maybe Deere has a REASONABLE licensing agreement.

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Athearn's new John Deere Tractors

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hello Folks

Athearn are too produce three John Deere 1/87 scale tractors.

http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/0904late/DEERE_HO_tra_0904_late.jpg

Question is, what production years are these tractors ?
Looking at the photos, they would make great flatcar loads and are
not too expensive.

Ian Clasper


Re: Straightening Warped Resin Castings

Tim O'Connor
 

I have recently acquired an older Westerfield kit and the car ends
are slightly warped. They are the dark grey filled polyester resin.
What is the best way to straighten/flatten the castings?
Dave, you can use either of the methods (water or oven) to
warm up the casting, but I use a 3/8" tempered glass plate
with a weight (or weights) on top of the casting to hold it
flat. Once it cools to room temperature, it will hold its
new shape.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Straightening Warped Resin Castings

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Sep 24, 2004, at 11:17 AM, dehusman wrote:

I aplogize if this has been covered recently, but I haven't been able
to find anything in an archive search. 

I have recently acquired an older Westerfield kit and the car ends
are slightly warped.  They are the dark grey filled polyester resin. 
What is the best way to straighten/flatten the castings?
Bring a pot of water to boil
Turn it off
Drop the casting in for 10-15 seconds
Gently lift the casting out (with a flat spatula
Place the casting on a FLAT cool surface
Have a beer

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Straightening Warped Resin Castings

dehusman <dehusman@...>
 

I aplogize if this has been covered recently, but I haven't been able
to find anything in an archive search.

I have recently acquired an older Westerfield kit and the car ends
are slightly warped. They are the dark grey filled polyester resin.
What is the best way to straighten/flatten the castings?

Dave H.

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