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Re: Deere loads
Earl Tuson
Tim asked,
Is that a standard gauge flat car on narrow gauge trucks?PBL's website says the narrow gauge 6500 series flat cars were rebuilt from standard gauge 28000 series gondolas. Earl Tuson
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Re: Deere loads
Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
I should, however point out that the blocking and tie down for the load is still in keeping with that of SG flats, and the method and load is consistent with SG flats of an era five years or so previous to the photo.
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At 10:43 PM 9/25/2004, Bob Webber wrote:
It is a converted SG flat car on NG trucks. And, as such, still pulled by steam power at this date.
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Re: Deere loads
Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
It is a converted SG flat car on NG trucks. And, as such, still pulled by steam power at this date.
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(11/62) There had been an article in making one in O scale from an Atlas flat, taking out a scale foot...can't recall where though at this remove - at least 20 years back.
At 01:04 AM 9/26/2004, you wrote:
Nice shot. Is that a standard gauge flat car on narrow gauge trucks?
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Re: Athearn's new John Deere Tractors
Earl Tuson
the GP dating to the early '30s IIRCI have the GP as produced 1928-1935... and the D back as far as 1923 or 24 and later dependingand the unstyled D as 1924-1938 (while the styled D continued in production until 1953!) The Model 60 would be early to mid 1950's.��For a new, in1952-1956 �although I think the "A" was still in production in '52.Yes, 1952 was the last year for JD A's. A great source for this information and more is www.ytmag.com. Goto the brand you are trying to research and click on serial numbers. That will show exactly what years each model was produced. Elsewhere on the web, you can find production quantities, which might give you a better idea what tractors would be more commonly seen and which were more rare (only about 30,000 JD GP tractors were built, compared to over 10 times that number each of JD A and B tractors.) Lastly, understanding how and what various models were used for can help one select an appropriate tractor for a load. For example, the JD D was called a "Wheatland" tractor, and as such was seldomly sold in, say, New England or the South. Tractor sales often had a regional aspect to them, particularly the smaller manufacturers. Earl Tuson
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Re: Photo CD
Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
I can't make it; any chance of getting one by mail?
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-- Brian Ehni
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net>
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Photo CD
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
With Naperville only a month away I thought I'd ask if there would be any interest again in the CDs of the freight car snap shots Sidney Wheeler took? I would be happy to bring some along again, price is still $10.
Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Deere loads
Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
Sorry, should have included it - Nov. 1962. And, that is still steam era for this car.
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At 08:31 PM 9/25/2004, you wrote:
Bob,
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Re: Deere loads
George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
Bob,
Do you have a date for the photo? Bob Webber <rswebber@concentric.net> wrote: I have loaded a low res photo of a typical load of Deere tractors here: http://www.drgw.org/rsw/DRGW6540.jpg I believe people will be able to access this particular portion without problems, but if problems develop, perhaps the group-meister alternate can move it into the photo section - I could not as I got an error when I attempted it. George Hollwedel Prototype N Scale Models georgeloop@austin.rr.com 310 Loma Verde Street Buda, TX 78610-9785 512-796-6883 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: John Deere Tracto models.
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
The John Deere tractor models that I would be looking for in the '40's would be the far more ubiquitous Models A and(especially) B. These two models covered the midwest, and there was scarcely a "Green" farm that did not have one or the other. The Model D (not a row-crop tractor) was pretty scarce by then, generally saved for heavy duty stationary work such as powering threshing machines, or heavy duty plowing on very large fields.
The lugged wheels were becoming pretty obsolete by the forties due to state and local laws banning them from paved roads. Of the three tractors, I would guess that the Model 60 would be about the only one that one might have reasonably been seen as rail-borne new-deliveries during the predominant area of interest generally expressed by this group (i.e. c. 1935-55). Other writers are correct about John Deere and its licensing. Right out of the box, Deere has been relentless in controlling and then licensing the use of its brand name. It is not cheap, the conditions must be steep, and the money to be made high when one sees Athearn grovel and cheapen itself by lettering and painting just about every product that it has with JD green and lettering. This latter is more evidence of the headlong rush by significant parts of the hobby into the new HO Toy Train market. Denny Denny -- Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, California
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
armprem
A goodly portion of model railroaders trust the manufacturers.Any paint
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scheme is considered authentic.It takes some consumer education before they start looking beyond the box and its contents.I am sure most of us were not as sophisticated nor critical when we started in the hobby.I strongly suspect that a more discerning hobbyist has led to more prototypically accurate offerings.Armand Premo
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From: "Gene Green" <lgreen@elp.rr.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Consumer Prototype Protection The thing that amazes me about this discussion is that I often hear
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
I think this is a good time to add a thanks to Branchline for adding useful
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information (e.g., dates) on their boxes. It isn't Sunshine or Westerfield caliber, but it's darn useful. Dave Nelson
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From: Anthony Thompson [mailto:thompson@signaturepress.com] I don't think customers expect, nor are likely to get, a Lofton or Westerfield information sheet in a Branchline kit (just to choose one example).....
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Deere loads
Bob Webber <rswebber@...>
I have loaded a low res photo of a typical load of Deere tractors here:
http://www.drgw.org/rsw/DRGW6540.jpg I believe people will be able to access this particular portion without problems, but if problems develop, perhaps the group-meister alternate can move it into the photo section - I could not as I got an error when I attempted it.
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NYC hoppers
VgnRy43@...
Would anyone be able to answer a hoper car question for me? I model the
coalfields served by VGN, C&O, N&W and NYC in August 1954. My question is; would the red 50 ton NYC coal hoppers be correct for this time period? Aubrey Wiley Lynchburg, Va.
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
Bob Kutella
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:
You are of course free to infer what you want, Jeff. But that'snot what I meant to say.Of course you did not. But since so many comments on this thread refer to cost control and economies, let's look at the market and what it says. It seems to me modelers are willing to pay premium prices on kits form Westerfield and Sunshine, which kits are sometimes so specialized in detail and era, that they would never support a mass market. Yet over and over I hear, and have myself experienced the well documented kits. If nothing else it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that the finished product will be an accurate replica. More firewwod - Micro Trains (often) supplies one side of their jewel box liner with enough car history that you also get the idea they did their homework. In this case, the well over 100 body styles cannot support 100% accurate models, but I think people know that and do not expect more for 15-20 bucks. Yet the paint schemes and colors, style of lettering, and placement do reflect a prototype. That little insert lets us know it, and was in each car box before they started giving some history. So how much did that cost?? A reputable manufacturer will do at least a basic research job, yet many modelers do not have the access to research material, have the skills to ferret it out, and many can ill afford to spend valuable model building time researching info that has already been done. Somewhere there is another (unspoken) dynamic here since the cost differential of a slip of paper cannot be the ruling factor. Bob Kutella
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C&O cars vol 1, where's volume 2
Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
Has anyone heard any more news about continuing the volumes on C&O
cars. Volume 1 was the hoppers and gons. Vol 2 & 3 were implied, but I've not seen any word that it's going to happen. Curt Fortenberry
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
Gene Green <lgreen@...>
The thing that amazes me about this discussion is that I often hear
manufacturers say "Most customers don't care" or words to that effect. For God's sake, manufacturers, listen to what you just said. If most customers don't care (about extra information concerning the prototype) then they don't care. Get it? They don't care so it won't hurt sales. On the other hand, if I can't identify that a product (1) matches its prototype, (2) is correctly lettered and (3) is appropriate for 1950 or earlier, I don't buy it. If I can't find the information and the manufacturer doesn't provide it, I don't buy. And I know I'm not the only one with that attitude. I can name two products from two different manufacturers for which I provided the prototype data. Folks, it ain't that hard. And it at least one instance it boosted the heck out of sales. More than double the expected sales were realized. Gene Green
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
Paul Hillman
It is actually safe to say, that ANY type of prototype which was built in the past, is still in existence today.
That is to say that, if a 1936 "farm tractor", for example, was once built in that era, and was used then in it's "heyday", then yet they still exist in the front of farmer's homes and in museums and displays. I see it all the time. Therefore I do not see how dating a model would be detrimental to the consumer, or adverse to their wanting to purchase it. I actually think it would enhance purchasing. All "dating" would do is define for everyone the date of it's origin and supply "period modellers" with that basic info, and refer "others" to the concept of that, "Yeah! My 'Grandad' used to have a tractor like that! I want to put one in my 1950, or even 1999, railroad scene." What would "label printing costs" be?; an extra 1/1000 cents/per? Paul Hillman
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Athearn's new John Deere Tractors.
Edwin C Kirstatter <q1xamacarthur@...>
My hobby dealer informs me that he can no longer get Athearn models
through Walthers of Milwaukee. Those John Deere tractors are about the only item that I would want to buy. I was really dissatisfied with those USRA 2-8-2's they imported a few years ago. If their freight car models catch up with Intermountain or Red Caboose and L-L Proto 2000 I may go back and take another look! Edwin C. Kirstatter, B&O Modeler. ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
eabracher@...
In a message dated 9/25/04 4:05:52 PM, lgreen@elp.rr.com writes:
Rio Grande Models, since 1970, has been putting prototype info on the instruction sheet for almost all of their kits. The only time it was not there is when either the kit was more or less generic or info was not available. A short history of the period the model would be appropriate for and colors it was painted as well as lettering. Most modelers appreciate this small bit of information and one of the questions most asked is what period of time did woud it be approprate for. eric
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Re: Consumer Prototype Protection
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jeff Aley sez:
So, Tony, I infer that you think it's stupid for manufacturers to allowYou are of course free to infer what you want, Jeff. But that's not what I meant to say. Probably in your business, as in many, there are real economies and false economies. There are economies that are sensible and genuinely help the bottom line, and there are economies that say "damn the customer." And there are foolish economies that save very little. I'd put the deliberate concealment of information in the latter category (and maybe in some other categories too). Yeah, the MR market won't pay "more" for two lines of information on the end of the box . . . or will they? What if the cost difference is 10 cents? That's what the "day of overhead" Charlie mentioned would cost over even a rather small run of kits. And for bigger players, it's in the single numbers of pennies. And if cost really IS fixed? though I very much doubt it--would those pennies buy you more customers or not? I don't really know, but I sure don't think it's clear that they would COST you a bunch of customers. Volume matters, too, just as I'm sure it does in your business. I don't think customers expect, nor are likely to get, a Lofton or Westerfield information sheet in a Branchline kit (just to choose one example)--but especially if the preparation of that sheet were farmed out to a consultant or historical society (with appropriate controls), it might not cost much at all. I think it is fairly foolish to assume that ANY added cost, no matter how small, would break the model manufacturing business. Instead of debating that, let's debate costs AND benefits. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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