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Re: Seeking info on NKP Proto 2000 50' double door boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

From Ray Breyer:

Mark,

This car has come up for discussion in the past, so you might want to do a
search in the archives for detailed information. Here's what little I know:

NKP 87100-87199, built 7-1942 Ralstron Car Co.

The kit is mostly accurate, except for the roof, which should be a Viking. I
believe the consensus on this list was to splice two Des Plaines roofs
together, even though that wouldn't be quite right either.
A builder's photo of NKP 87100 appeared in the Ralston ads in the 1943 and
1946 Car Builders' Cyclopedias (though it's a low angle shot that doesn't
show the Viking roof).

The prototype cars also had metal grid running boards, not the wood type
supplied by L-L. Otherwise, the L-L model is good aside from some very
minor discrepancies in the side sheathing panels to the left of the doors,
the length of the side sill reinforcements below the doors, and the
triangular reinforcements at the lower corners of the door openings (easily
corrected except for the sheathing panels).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Santa Fe Sunshine Kits

charles slater
 

Jim, which ones are you selling?


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Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Sunshine Kits
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:00:44 -0000


List
I am thinning my Santa Fe Sunshine kits. All are unbuilt in
original box. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks.
Jim Barnes


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Re: New Operations book

Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
 

Hi Shawn and List,

The other three are a second 1973 Milwaukee book, a UP from 1939 and a
Chicago Switching district from 1956.

Ted

At 12:24 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:


Ted,

I know about the Milwaukee and CNW shippers guides; what are the other three?

Shawn Beckert

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schnepf [mailto:railsunl@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:39 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New Operations book



Hi Everyone,

The newest book from Ian Wilson has just arrived. It is Steam to the
Niagara Frontier and joins the other five books in the group. As with past
books the emphasis is on steam operations with outstanding black and white
photo reproduction and some color and those wonderfully detailed track
plans showing industries. And the 5 shippers guides to help with historic
research and bill to accurate industries.

Please contact me off list.

Ted
Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
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847-697-5353 or 5366
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Re: Seeking info on NKP Proto 2000 50' double door boxcar

Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Mark,

This car has come up for discussion in the past, so you might want to do a
search in the archives for detailed information. Here's what little I know:

NKP 87100-87199, built 7-1942 Ralstron Car Co.

The kit is mostly accurate, except for the roof, which should be a Viking. I
believe the consensus on this list was to splice two Des Plaines roofs
together, even though that wouldn't be quite right either.

Howard Ameling doesn't have any photos of these cars, but the NEB&W website
does have a builder's photo of 87100 in it somewhere. The Fall 1991 issue of
the NKPHTS Magazine has an article on these cars, including photos.

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Heiden [mailto:mark_heiden@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:59 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Seeking info on NKP Proto 2000 50' double door boxcar



Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some information on a Proto 2000 50' double door
boxcar, lettered NKP 87143. I'd like to know the car series it is
part of how many cars were in it. Are there any sources for photos?
Also, how accurate is the kit if built as per the instructions?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Santa Fe Sunshine Kits

atsfjim2000 <atsfjim@...>
 

List
I am thinning my Santa Fe Sunshine kits. All are unbuilt in
original box. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks.
Jim Barnes


Seeking info on NKP Proto 2000 50' double door boxcar

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some information on a Proto 2000 50' double door
boxcar, lettered NKP 87143. I'd like to know the car series it is
part of how many cars were in it. Are there any sources for photos?
Also, how accurate is the kit if built as per the instructions?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: HELP

Ian Cranstone
 

On 8-Oct-04, at 11:47 AM, John Swanson wrote:

CN 109295 was this car a triple or a Quad; offset or outside posts?
Triple offset.

CP 358098 is a triple. Was this car offset or outside post?
Offset.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


Sorting through Freight car colors

Greg Martin
 

Bob Kutella writes in part...

"As much as we would like there to one color for any particular railroad or scheme, the evidence points to the opposite. There are several similar reefers at IRM that were assigned to MILW - which most assume were deep and very orange. But as you peel off the differing layers of paint it gets lighter to a definite yellow-orange, and then back to a darker more pure orange. At each repaint, things changed ever so slightly. Maybe that is more typical of a car leasing outfit vs. a railroad who might be trying to maintain their corporate identity, but we have seen such changes in many cars as we go through the steps to restore them."

Denny S. Anspach, MD replies in part...

"Bob is correct in presenting his evidence that the leasing companies to the greatest extent would not be likely to be greatly concerned with painting their cars to accommodate the lessee's corporate liveries. {snip}

Denny"

And I think this is a true with the class 1 railroads of the era as well.

Without fail the subject of the correctness of freight car color (PRR in particular) raises it's head on a regular basis. Finding that one color that "matches" this drift card or that photo or painting is inasmuch as searching for the "Holy Grail". Reducing that color to scale can make the search even much more diffecult... I like Richard Hendrickson's approach as he often "mixes his to taste..." Perhaps just the right concept. I do the same with the PRR FCC shift for cars/cabins painted in the mid-50's.

In the case of the PRR folks it is hard enough just to keep the color names correct as the PRR FCC is often called "Tuscan"... YIKES! I think the best you can hope for is one somewhat universally accepted color and add weathering to suite... We all have our favorites.

I think the during this era in history the railroads were likely far less concerned with the issue than we as modelers are today trying to recapture what they took for granted. Wasn't it just Freight Car Color? Wasn't it just reefer yellow?

Greg Martin


Re: New Operations book

Shawn Beckert
 

Ted,

I know about the Milwaukee and CNW shippers guides; what are the other three?

Shawn Beckert

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schnepf [mailto:railsunl@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:39 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New Operations book



Hi Everyone,

The newest book from Ian Wilson has just arrived. It is Steam to the
Niagara Frontier and joins the other five books in the group. As with past
books the emphasis is on steam operations with outstanding black and white
photo reproduction and some color and those wonderfully detailed track
plans showing industries. The book also has a USA section covering Black
Rock, NY. As there are many action poses, there are several freight cars
pictured in the book.

this book retails for $54.95 and my price is $50.95. I have the other 4
books in the series also in stock.

This series of books are the best ever written on railroad
operations. Also have the book Setup Running another good view into
vintage operations. And the 5 shippers guides to help with historic
research and bill to accurate industries.

Please contact me off list.

Ted

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...
847-697-5353 or 5366
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://users.foxvalley.net/~railsunl/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used. HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 3% added).

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color of Erie/URTX reefer

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

John Greedy writes-


> As to color, the early URTX steel reefers
appear to be a
> yellow/orange that may be represented with DRGW
"harvest gold".
> >
> John Greedy
Bob Kutella replies-

As much as we would like there to one color for any particular
railroad or scheme, the evidence points to the opposite. There are
several similar reefers at IRM that were assigned to MILW - which most
assume were deep and very orange. But as you peel off the differeing
layers of paint it gets lighter to a definite yellow-orange, and then
back to a darker more pure orange. At each repaint, things changed
ever so slightly. Maybe that is more typical of a car leasing outfit
vs. a railroad who might be trying to maintain their corporate
identity, but we have seen such changes in many cars as we go through
the steps to restore them.
Bob is correct in presenting his evidence that the leasing companies
to the greatest extent would not be likely to be greatly concerned
with painting their cars to accommodate the lessee's corporate
liveries.

That said, what Bob says does not negate John's authoritative comment
that the early URTX steel reefers seemed to be painted originally a
yellow/orange similar to D&RGW Harvest Gold. What evidence exists
seems to point to directly to this conclusion.

Denny



--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento

--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Digest Number 2087

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

John Greedy writes-


> As to color, the early URTX steel reefers
appear to be a
> yellow/orange that may be represented with DRGW
"harvest gold".
> >
> John Greedy
Bob Kutella replies-

As much as we would like there to one color for any particular
railroad or scheme, the evidence points to the opposite. There are
several similar reefers at IRM that were assigned to MILW - which most
assume were deep and very orange. But as you peel off the differeing
layers of paint it gets lighter to a definite yellow-orange, and then
back to a darker more pure orange. At each repaint, things changed
ever so slightly. Maybe that is more typical of a car leasing outfit
vs. a railroad who might be trying to maintain their corporate
identity, but we have seen such changes in many cars as we go through
the steps to restore them.
Bob is correct in presenting his evidence that the leasing companies to the greatest extent would not be likely to be greatly concerned with painting their cars to accommodate the lessee's corporate liveries.

That said, what Bob says does not negate John's authoritative comment that the early URTX steel reefers seemed to be painted originally a yellow/orange similar to D&RGW Harvest Gold. What evidence exists seems to point to directly to this conclusion.

Denny



--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


HELP

John Swanson <dwlscbq@...>
 

I need to know about two cars visually.
I have the information from the ORER.

CN 109295 was this car a triple or a Quad; offset or outside posts?

CP 358098 is a triple. Was this car offset or outside post?

Thank you
John Swanson


Ed Kaminski

raildata@...
 

Anyone out there have a valid e-mail (or P.O. Mail) address for Ed Kaminski?

Been given two so far that don't work!

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


New Operations book

Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

The newest book from Ian Wilson has just arrived. It is Steam to the
Niagara Frontier and joins the other five books in the group. As with past
books the emphasis is on steam operations with outstanding black and white
photo reproduction and some color and those wonderfully detailed track
plans showing industries. The book also has a USA section covering Black
Rock, NY. As there are many action poses, there are several freight cars
pictured in the book.

this book retails for $54.95 and my price is $50.95. I have the other 4
books in the series also in stock.

This series of books are the best ever written on railroad
operations. Also have the book Setup Running another good view into
vintage operations. And the 5 shippers guides to help with historic
research and bill to accurate industries.

Please contact me off list.

Ted

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...
847-697-5353 or 5366
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://users.foxvalley.net/~railsunl/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used. HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 3% added).

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Re: boy oh boycott

Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
 

The voices are telling me cf5250 said on 10/6/2004 3:30 PM:

Do you mean you are boycotting the vendor, or just products
lettered for UP? UP claims rights to C&NW, Rock Island, SSW,
SP, D&RGW, WP, and many others (dozens, in fact). If I refuse
to buy from Red Caboose, Intermountain, Athearn (now licensed),
brass importers, and probably Atlas, Bachmann, Broadway Ltd...
just who is left besides Westerfield and Sunshine?
A manufacturer has two choices: to charge more for the Union Pacific car or to "peanut butter" the license fees over his entire product line, whether the items have a UP logo or not.

It seems to me the manufacturer who keeps the cost with the item allows individuals to make up their own minds: if you want to run UP, pay the extra money so that some corporate officer at UP can get a fatter bonus. Perfectly straightforward.

But I can't see any justification for boycotting manufacturers unless they're trying to make all their customers contribute to the greedheads at UP by peanut buttering the cost over all their products.
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
bob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

Flexibility has its virtues. No one was more decisive than George
Armstrong Custer and the last thing that went through his mind was
an arrow. -- after Argus Hamilton


Re: SP F-70-7 Flat & Athearn ATSF FE-24 Express Box

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tom Olsen writes:

Now I have a question for Richard! You just had an article in the
September RMJ on the prototypes that the Trix chemical tank cars could
be used for. Have these cars been released to the general public yet?
Not to my knowledge, Tom. The model photo was supplied to RMJ by
Märklin/Trix, but it has been shown on their website for some time. I
don't know when the models will actually be available, either in Europe or
on this side of the Atlantic. And in my experience,meaningful
communication with the M/T people is all but impossible.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Carmer uncoupling lever

Jeff Coleman
 

Rob, Thanks!
Jeff Coleman

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http://steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/freest/carcut-
rtecrdmain.html

Rob Daniels
New York, NY

--- Jeff Coleman <Bbear746@a...> wrote:


Does anyone have a source for HO scale Carmer
uncoupling levers? I
know that they come with some Westerfield kits but
don't think they
are offered individually.
Jeff Coleman





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Re: Carmer uncoupling lever

Robert Daniels
 

Free State Systems!

http://steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/freest/carcut-rtecrdmain.html

Rob Daniels
New York, NY

--- Jeff Coleman <Bbear746@...> wrote:


Does anyone have a source for HO scale Carmer
uncoupling levers? I
know that they come with some Westerfield kits but
don't think they
are offered individually.
Jeff Coleman





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Re: Carmer uncoupling lever

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jeff Coleman asked:
"Does anyone have a source for HO scale Carmer uncoupling levers? I
know that they come with some Westerfield kits but don't think they
are offered individually."

The Westerfield ones aren't offered separately, but Free State
Systems offers them in etched brass.
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%
20products/freest/carcut-rtecrdmain.html

Contact Mike Watnoski at freestatesystems1 'at' comcast 'dot' net
for ordering information.


Ben Hom


Carmer uncoupling lever

Jeff Coleman
 

Does anyone have a source for HO scale Carmer uncoupling levers? I
know that they come with some Westerfield kits but don't think they
are offered individually.
Jeff Coleman

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