--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

What lettering did these cars have and what colors were they? I

have not

located any pictures of this class of cars. Your assistance is

appreciated.

The model was based on a W. C. Whittaker photo of a California

Despatch

Line car, CDLX 1068, that was leased to the Western Asphalt Co. of

Santa

Maria, CA in the late 1940s. Overland had decals made for this P/L

scheme,

though I don't know how you'd go about finding a set at this time.

The

CDLX car was a standard GATC Type 30, however, and there were many

such

cars in the GATX fleet as well as in private ownership. I may be

able to

help with photos if you can tell me the era and geographical

location you

model.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Richard, I don't know if you would what to track down one of
the old Overland sets for this car. Remember what happened
when you and I did this one with Overland. A certain person,
who shall remain nameless here, got the decal set wrong (COLX
instead to CDLX reporting marks) even though he was told about
making this mistake! Your would have to change the reporting
marks, or maybe you might be able to put the correct data
together from the "Black Cat" GATX set (very good decals)for
an insulated car.
Regards,
Jerry Stewart
Chicago, Ill.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>

A builder's photo of NKP 87100 appeared in the Ralston ads in the

1943 and

1946 Car Builders' Cyclopedias (though it's a low angle shot that

doesn't

show the Viking roof).

Hi Richard,

Does the same photo appear in both publications? The photo from the
1943 CBC is on the NEB&W site, a three-quarter view of the B end of
the car.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Hi Ray,

Thanks for the tip. I found the photo on the NEB&W site, no trouble.

Thanks again,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@..., "Ray Breyer" <rbreyer@c...> wrote:

Mark,

This car has come up for discussion in the past, so you might want

to do a

search in the archives for detailed information. Here's what little

I know:

NKP 87100-87199, built 7-1942 Ralstron Car Co.

The kit is mostly accurate, except for the roof, which should be a

Viking. I

believe the consensus on this list was to splice two Des Plaines

roofs

together, even though that wouldn't be quite right either.

Howard Ameling doesn't have any photos of these cars, but the NEB&W

website

does have a builder's photo of 87100 in it somewhere. The Fall 1991

issue of

the NKPHTS Magazine has an article on these cars, including photos.

Ray Breyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Heiden [mailto:mark_heiden@h...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:59 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Seeking info on NKP Proto 2000 50' double door

boxcar

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some information on a Proto 2000 50' double door
boxcar, lettered NKP 87143. I'd like to know the car series it is
part of how many cars were in it. Are there any sources for photos?
Also, how accurate is the kit if built as per the instructions?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Hi Charlie,
Here is the list:

Sunshine Models




Cat No. Qty Description Price ea



(Automobile Boxcars)



22.2 (222) 1 Fe-5 Automobile Box Car 25.00 (OP)

22.1 (205) 1 Fe-15 40' with End Door 25.00

40.1 (488) 2 Fe-26 40’ Double Door Automobile Box Car 32.00
(Boxcars)


29.8 (295) 2 Bx-38 40’ War Emergency Boxcar 27.00 (OP)

29.20 (340) 3 Bx-39 50’ War Emergency Boxcar 32.00


(Flatcars)


30.12 (199) 1 Ft-V AAR 70 Ton, 53’6” Low Deck Flat Car 25.00



Cat No. Qty Description
(Gondolas)


5.1 (164) 1 Ga-61, 63 Emergency, Composite Sides 27.00 (OP)

5.9 (198) 1 Ga-49, 48’6” with Side Doors 27.00 (OP)

50.1 (285) 1 Ga-8, Dreadnaught Sides and Ends 36.00 (OP)

61.1 (421) 1 Ga-22, 40' Composite, fixed ends 30.00

61.3 (194) 1 Ga-26, 50' Composite, offset power handbrake 32.00



(OP) = Out of Production



* Price above does not include shipping. Rates vary depending on weight and distance sent.


charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:

Jim, which ones are you selling?

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Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Sunshine Kits
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:00:44 -0000


List
I am thinning my Santa Fe Sunshine kits. All are unbuilt in
original box. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks.
Jim Barnes

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Yahoo! Groups Links

Thanks much. Will try the AOL address.

Chuck Y

Richard & list,

Thanks for the info regarding the Trix tank cars. I sent an email to
Ian Clasper in Germany to see if he has seen any of these cars in his
locality. Perhaps, they are out over there and we just have not seen
them as yet.

In Ted Culotta's "Essential Freight Car" article in the November RMC he
noted that the Life-Like (Canada) ARA Trucks with Simplex bolsters were
available through Canadian Model Trains in Oakville, Ontario. Ted's
article addresses the bolster mounting problem and how to address it in
the article, so that is not an issue.

I gave them a call (Ted graciously gave the telephone number: Thanks
Ted!) on Thursday morning and picked up a 12-Pack that they are
shipping UPS to me here in Delaware. The trucks retail at $3.91 (U.S.)
per pair plus postage and shipping. They billed it out to my credit
card and emailed me the invoice/shipping notice Friday morning. Can't
beat that! Easy people to do business with! They have a website that
can be accessed: http://www.modeltrains.com/

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Now I have a question for Richard! You just had an article in the
September RMJ on the prototypes that the Trix chemical tank cars could
be used for. Have these cars been released to the general public yet?

Not to my knowledge, Tom. The model photo was supplied to RMJ by
Märklin/Trix, but it has been shown on their website for some time. I
don't know when the models will actually be available, either in Europe or
on this side of the Atlantic. And in my experience,meaningful
communication with the M/T people is all but impossible.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A better question to ask is what happens if the UP pulls the rug out
from any one of these manufacturers
60 days before their licenses run out by not renewing the license? From
what I have read of the terms of these agreements, is that if the
license is not renewed the manufacturer/vendor/importer has to
immediately dispose of their on hand stock and turn over the tooling to
the UP. How is any manufacturer going to justify the expense of
bringing anything to the market shelf when R&D on most model projects
can take as much as two to three years to complete.

This whole thing is ridiculous and if it continues, there will not be
any roads, either present day or fallen flag, that won't be covered by
these licenses because the big four railroads (UP, BNSF, CSX & NS) will
have covered 95% of all the roads that we model freight cars from.
Hopefully, the non-UP roads, if they go to licensing, will not carry
the "turn over the tooling" bit into these contracts, realizing that
that type of contract language is counterproductive to making anything
when the future has a cloud over it!.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote:

CN 109295 was this car a triple or a Quad; offset or outside posts?

Triple offset.

CP 358098 is a triple. Was this car offset or outside post?

Offset.

Ian Cranstone

Ian, what were the number series for the CP offsets? I have notes
on 356235, 357671, 359039, 365340... They seem to be mixed up with
2-bay cars too.

Tim O.

Mark,

If you can find a copy of NKP Historical Society Volume 25, #4
it has an excellent article on the cars. There is a builder photo
of NKP #87100 in Trainshed Cyc #75. That is the photo I used for
my model. I used a 50 ft Viking roof and modified the sills to
match the builder photo and used a Plano running board of course.
I think it's pretty accurate.

Just a note to advise that the Rib Side Car Co that makes the plastic
MILW box has released factory painted versions of the cars. The cars
are now available painted and letttered, but unnumbered. Guess he's
looking for fleet buyers. So if you are inclined they should be
showing up at all the vendors.

No, I'm not connected with this project. This guy doesn't seem to
toot his own horn. I had to hunt for him myself.
MILW guys always seem to do that thing under a bushel basket.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines

I have spent a great deal of time and effort researching 19th century
freight car colors, particularly those used on Northern California narrow
gauge lines. This is primarily for railroad car restoration.

Sources include 19th century paint chips from Masury, Valentines, Detroit
lead and others, Southern Pacific and Union Pacific 19th century paint
information, historic house paint information and lots of paint sampling on
historic equipment.

Along the way there are several great truths I have found:

By 1880 commercial paint companies could provide a consistent product, and
could agree on what Tuscan red looked like.

Railroad paint, particularly for larger companies was consistent, across
years and suppliers.

In particular, Tuscan (red) is offered by several companies, at least one
of which is offered in two version, �superfine� and �Pennsylvania�
(cheaper) the chips (after 110 years) are identical to my eye, but the
Pennsylvania version is cheaper.

Paint, when exposed to weather changes quickly. It flattens (early paint
was always gloss finish) and moves to a grayer pastel shade as the carrier
(linseed oil) weathers.

If you expose the layers and analyze them, you will be able to see the
layers. There is always a variation. But the colors have a consistency.

I believe we should spend more time understanding weathering and age than
paint variation.

Also, paint is personal� We all perceive color differently. Color is
affected by scale and light. We are better off trying to model the
differences in color from car to car, instead of slavishly modeling a
specific color.


Randy Hees

Anyone out there have a valid e-mail (or P.O. Mail) address for Ed Kaminski?

Been given two so far that don't work!

ACFESK@... was the last I had

Dick

Brian Carlson asks:

What is the vintage and time frame the Rath Indian head could be found on
the sides of refrigerator cars?

The earliest date I have for a car with an Indian head logo (note that
there were several different versions of the logo) was 9-52. A car
repainted 7-51 did not have it.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

What is the vintage and time frame the Rath Indian head could be found on
the sides of refrigerator cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

I know that Stan (and I know I will mispell his last name) Rydarowzk make the replacement roof as a resin part. I seem to recall the side sill is oversized as well..? I would have to check my photos of the P&WV car I have.

Greg Martin

For the record, the proto models, at least those I own have the swing tail R which was part of the pre-war, early WW2 lettering scheme. Post-war repaints would have received the block R. Not sure how many received the immediately post war small R.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

From Ray Breyer:

Mark,

This car has come up for discussion in the past, so you might want to do a
search in the archives for detailed information. Here's what little I know:

NKP 87100-87199, built 7-1942 Ralstron Car Co.

The kit is mostly accurate, except for the roof, which should be a Viking. I
believe the consensus on this list was to splice two Des Plaines roofs
together, even though that wouldn't be quite right either.

A builder's photo of NKP 87100 appeared in the Ralston ads in the 1943 and
1946 Car Builders' Cyclopedias (though it's a low angle shot that doesn't
show the Viking roof).

The prototype cars also had metal grid running boards, not the wood type
supplied by L-L. Otherwise, the L-L model is good aside from some very
minor discrepancies in the side sheathing panels to the left of the doors,
the length of the side sill reinforcements below the doors, and the
triangular reinforcements at the lower corners of the door openings (easily
corrected except for the sheathing panels).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Jim, which ones are you selling?

From: "atsfjim2000" <atsfjim@...>
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Sunshine Kits
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:00:44 -0000


List
I am thinning my Santa Fe Sunshine kits. All are unbuilt in
original box. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks.
Jim Barnes

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Hi Shawn and List,

The other three are a second 1973 Milwaukee book, a UP from 1939 and a
Chicago Switching district from 1956.

Ted

At 12:24 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote:

Ted,

I know about the Milwaukee and CNW shippers guides; what are the other three?

Shawn Beckert

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Schnepf [mailto:railsunl@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:39 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New Operations book



Hi Everyone,

The newest book from Ian Wilson has just arrived. It is Steam to the
Niagara Frontier and joins the other five books in the group. As with past
books the emphasis is on steam operations with outstanding black and white
photo reproduction and some color and those wonderfully detailed track
plans showing industries. And the 5 shippers guides to help with historic
research and bill to accurate industries.

Please contact me off list.

Ted

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Mark,

This car has come up for discussion in the past, so you might want to do a
search in the archives for detailed information. Here's what little I know:

NKP 87100-87199, built 7-1942 Ralstron Car Co.

The kit is mostly accurate, except for the roof, which should be a Viking. I
believe the consensus on this list was to splice two Des Plaines roofs
together, even though that wouldn't be quite right either.

Howard Ameling doesn't have any photos of these cars, but the NEB&W website
does have a builder's photo of 87100 in it somewhere. The Fall 1991 issue of
the NKPHTS Magazine has an article on these cars, including photos.

Ray Breyer