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Re: What the pics and papers show????

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 10/21/2004 2:54:45 PM Central Standard Time,
mac@... writes:
I have no idea where Vermont potatoes came from.
I do, Vermont! IN the 1940s, Maine exported less than 1% of its production
of table and seed potatoes to Vermont.

Jerry Michels


post WWII UP box car roster

ed_mines
 

Did the UP have more than one common double sheathed box car or
smaller steel box car after WWII?

I am familiar with the double sheathed car with corrugated ends and
an end door ofered by Westerfield and the rebuilt steel car which
Ted profiled in MRC.

From a '43 freight car register (the one available from the NMRA) it
looks like there may have been additional cars in at least one of
these catagories.

I see UP have several groups of standard 10'IH box cars with
slightly different capacities. Did they vary from the standard cars
in any way?

Ed


Cal Scale (Bowser) AB brakes

ed_mines
 

Ted's comments about replacing brake components found in resin kits
hits home with me.

I like the old CalScale sets now offered Bowser or similar ones in
the Bowser GLA hopper kits.

Has anyone bought more than a couple of these sets directly from
Bowser at a discount? $3 is a little pricy.

Can someone identify the source of the plastic brake sets included
with the Sunshine tank car kits? They are pretty nice too. How about
a savings on them?

Finally the air tank casting in the Cal Scale/Bowser kit is a lot
larger than the one from Tichy.Are they both accurate or is one
oversized or undersized?

Ed


Re: What the pics and papers show????

Richard Hendrickson
 

I know of at least one example NP freight train over 10 cars, where
the box cars are PRR, and there are no NP box cars at all...

Tim "Bursting Bubbles" O'Connor

P.S. RED SOX STILL RULE!!!!!!!
Now, now, calm down, Tim. Take a tranquilizer and call us in the morning.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Too rich for me

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Oct 21, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars.  They are too expensive
for me to even look at.  At $45 for an unassemble kit has the resin
market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and Sunshine. 
I
know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the costs
involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing the
patterns for a new kit.  Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which has
an
even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold for
anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of them.
Larry:

No offense intended to Al & Martin, but with their kits, I always find
that I substitiute brake parts or sill steps or other things that make
the kit cost more than the list price anyway. This kit has all of
those things in it already. And, having seen the castings, they are
beautiful to boot. It's not really all that much more expensive all
things considered. Trucks are included with these, too.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: MILW rib-side undebody equipment layout

Richard Hendrickson
 

Apparently these cars had a unique underbody AB brake system setup
with all the major components located on one side. Does anyone have a
diagram for these cars to confirm this or can someone elaborate on the
placement of piping etc?

thanks in advance
Stefan
Duncan, BC Canada
My forthcoming Railmodel Journal article will include forth prototype and
model photos of the underbody (thanks to Ted Schnepf, who has a photo of a
car lying on its side, thanks to a blunder by a switching crew).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Too rich for me

Larry Smith
 

I just saw the notice for the new N&W boxcars. They are too expensive for me to even look at. At $45 for an unassemble kit has the resin market gone too far. This is $10 more then Westerfield and Sunshine. I know what is involved with getting a resin kit to market and the costs involved because I'm working with a company right now and doing the patterns for a new kit. Sorry guys but it is narrow gauge, which has an even more limited market then the N&W cars, and it won't be sold for anywhere near $45.

Sorry but this kit straps my budget so I won't be getting any of them.

Larry Smith


Re: MILW rib-side undebody equipment layout

Paul Gehrett
 

--- stefanelaine <stefanelaine@...> wrote:



Apparently these cars had a unique underbody AB
brake system setup
with all the major components located on one side.
Does anyone have a
diagram for these cars to confirm this or can
someone elaborate on the
placement of piping etc?
I've built a couple of the Sunshine Models kits. The
instructions/data sheet contains underframe
information. IIRC, you are correct about the major
components all being on the same side of the center
sill. I can scan it and e-mail it to you. I should
be able to get to it over the weekend.

Paul


King patent underframe

Mike Calvert
 

Can anyone provide information on the "King Patent Trussed Steel
Underframe"?
This is a steel underframe with truss rods, shown in a drawing in the
PSC O Scale freight/passenger car parts catalog.

Which railroads used this? Any photographs available?

Mike Calvert


Re: Naval Gun movement pre and during WW II

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Yes, but likely not in the same fashion - the guns being ubiquitous enough to store on site - a lot more ships with that sized gun(s) were built, so storing them in various yards would not be unusual. But I haven't located definitive proof one way or the other yet.

The 6 and 8 inch guns though were light enough (everything being relative) not to require the special carriages or cars. Though there were 8" RR guns, but that's a whole 'nother story.

There were a total of 88 14/45 barrels made. Fewer 12/45, 14/50, 16/45 and 16/50. But, you can figure that those 88 guns by themselves had to move at least twice across country between 1940 and 1945 (being conservative). Then the liners would have to be moved at least as often. If you make some guestimates for a total of 120 tubes you're talking about, say 400 trips between 1940 and 1945. So, in a 6 year span, about 16% possibility of seeing one headed to/from Pocatello - that being very conservative, as there were several instances of multiple trips and shuttling liners to meet ships and shuttling damaged guns to the East and then the repaired ones back to the West and then back East again. So the real percentage could increase. It still is a lot more common than I used to consider.

At 08:39 PM 10/20/2004, you wrote:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the 6 and 8 inch cruiser guns
were shipped by rail?

Kevin Lafferty
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Re: What the pics and papers show????

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Dennis Rockwell...apparently not an old hand on the STMFC...writes about Pennsy trains:


"In the "easy to spot" case, every freight train has at least
one NP boxcar!"
Ah ha! Brock's fifth...or was it the sixth?...rule of frt cars established about 4 yrs ago or so. "In every merchandise frt train of over ten cars there shall be at least one NP box car." It is good to see that Pennsy is not in violation.

Mike Brock


Re: What the pics and papers show????

Dennis Rockwell <dennis@...>
 

On 19 Oct, Marty McGuirk wrote:

[ ... ] I've also noticed one PRR car seems to show up
in just about every train -- meaning the old Pennsy modelers' mantra
about us all being Pennsy modelers, while annoying and depressing, is
apparently quite true . . . . (that was a joke, Ben !. . . )
I *am* a Pennsy modeller, and what I see in period videos is
that the converse is also true: if you're a Pennsy modeller,
you model all the other railroads!

In the "easy to spot" case, every freight train has at least
one NP boxcar!

Rutland is odd since it's, well, odd that one car would show up. Which
Rutland car is it? BAR is a tough one -- I was thrilled when I came
across a pic of a red white and blue box in a Southern Division
wayfreight. Maybe it's too Lionel like, but what self-respecting model
railroad doesn't need a "State of Maine" box?
Mine certainly does! Several of the trains in the freight
schedules I'm going to be running have a block listed
specifically for Maine potatoes, so thanks for the N Scale
40' and 50' "State of Maine" cars, and the BAR reefers!

Dennis Rockwell SPF(N) dennis@... Cambridge MA

Modelling the PRR Wilkes-Barre branch in 1954.


Re: Milwaukee Road Ribbed Side Boxcars

dphobbies
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Ralph Heiss" <bass1969@j...> wrote:

Greetings.......

Please excuse me for asking what may be a stupid question, but can
anyone put me in the right direction to purchase one of the new HO
scale MILW ribbbed side boxcars that I have heard about?
Ralph:

They should be available at any hobbyshop that wants to carry them.
There are at least two dealers on this list that stock them and offer
mail order - Ted Schnepf and myself. If there are other dealers who
are on this list, I don't know who they are.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
toll free 1-800-264-1956


Re: Naval Gun movement pre and during WW II

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Oct 20, 2004, at 8:39 PM, Kevin Lafferty wrote:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the 6 and 8 inch cruiser
guns
were shipped by rail?
Kevin,

Indeed they were... after all, we're talking about a country prior to
the majority of the interstate highway system's construction. Given
that the barrels were smaller and lighter than the really big guns, it
is likely that they were shipped on single regular duty flat cars
rather than the "gun flats" (although some of the bigger medium guns
may have required heavy duty cars). I would be curious to see photos
of any of these medium guns in transit.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: New N&W Boxcar kits

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Thanks for the interest in these kits. I have received several inquiries about prototype info (I should have included this in the announcement....live and learn!). And David Thompson graciously identified links to N&W Company photos at Virginia Tech.

As far as I have been able to determine, they were in general service, except for the Class B-4A which were equipped with DF loaders for auto parts.

These cars were built in 1940-41 by Greenville Steel Car Company. The first group, 52300-52349 and the third group, 52400-52449 were Class B-4. The second group built by Greenville, 52350-52399 were equipped with the loaders and designated Class B-4A. All of these cars had the rounded inside seam cap roof with recessed corners for the lateral walkways, Morton "Open Grip" metal running boards, latitudinal extensions and brake step, and 4-5 Dreadnaught Ends. The first group of B-4 and the entire group of B-4A had 7 rung side ladders and 6 rung end ladders. The third group of B-4 had 10 rung side ladders and 9 rung end ladders.

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3244.JPG

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3243.JPG

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3242.JPG

The fourth group of these cars was built in 1941 by Greenville and were number series 52450-52649, and designated N&W Class B-4 also. This group featured the improved Murphy Panel Roof, Apex Tri-Lok metal running boards, latitudinal extensions and brake step, and 1-4-5 Dreadnaught ends. This entire group had 10 rung side ladders and 9 rund end ladders.

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3245.JPG

Both kits have the custom etched parts that provide the different ladders and other details for the cars.

The entire B-4A class was leased to the DT&I in the 1950's and according to ORER listings, retained their N&W number series. However, I was unable to find a photo of these cars in service on the DT&I and thus do not know if they were simply stenciled with a designation that they were leased, or if they were actually painted in DT&I livery.

Most of these cars lasted past the 1964 merger of Wabash, NKP, AC&Y, PW&V into N&W.

The decal set covers all variations of the steam era stenciling practices of N&W. It includes the as delivered scheme of 7-inch high roadname (Norfolk & Western), the 1947 scheme of 7-inch high roadname (Norfolk and Western), as well as the 1952 scheme of 9-inch high roadname (Norfolk and Western). The different size reporting marks and road numbers are also included.

All of this information is included in the "Shop Bulletin" that is included in the kit. I hope to get it into pdf format and post it on the web site.

Thanks for your interest.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
www.pocahontasmodels.com


Re: New N&W Boxcar kits

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Kit No. 105 models N&W Class B-4/4A in number series 52300-52449. It has
the rounded inside seam cap roof, 4-5 Dreadnaught ends, and Morton
running board and brake step.
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3244.JPG
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3243.JPG
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3242.JPG

Kit No. 110 models N&W Class B-4 in number series 52450-52649. It has the
improved Murphy Panel roof, 1-4-5 Dreadnaught ends, and Apex Tri-Lok
running board and brake step.
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3245.JPG


Re: Source for NP Freight Car Doors ?

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

"Dale, it hardly seems worth changing the doors, since the Accurail models
aren't even close to the NP prototypes; the sides, roofs, ends, and
underframes are all conspicuously wrong."

Not to mention that fact the Sunshine and F&C produce several very
nice Northern Pacific wood sheathed box car kits! Why kitbash when
the "real thing" is right there?

P.S. RED SOX RULE !!!!!!!!!!!


Re: Stewart C&O hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler, I looked it up and the offset-side triple is accurate
for C&O 79000-79999 built in 1949-1950 by General American. The
car has to have notched, arched end extensions, Ajax brakes, and
Barber S-2 roller bearing trucks with journal caps. I think MDC
was the only source for that style truck and it's not exactly
right, but it has the journal caps.

Were/are any of them good for the C&O triple in
the most recent issue of Mainline?

SGL


Re: Stewart C&O hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

I tried this C&O 79000-series conversion a few years ago, but I was kind of sloppy with it and I'm not even sure where the car is right now. In changing the ends, I removed the vertical angles and made new ones, but I put them too far apart. The mistake wouldn't show up all that much except that these cars had a thick white bar painted under the end numbers (and on the sides.) The bar on the ends calls attention to my error. The purpose of the bars seems to have been to remind brakemen that more hand brakes needed to be set in a cut of cars because the roller bearing cars were more likely to roll away. (Another theory was that the bars would help keep cars on-line as much as possible so C&O would get the benefit of the better rolling qualities.)
As far as model trucks, my notes read:
"Old Pullman, with bearing caps re-detailed, and springs shortened (very tedious.)"
Scott Pitzer
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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Oct 21, 2004 12:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stewart C&O hoppers



Schuyler, I looked it up and the offset-side triple is accurate
for C&O 79000-79999 built in 1949-1950 by General American. The
car has to have notched, arched end extensions, Ajax brakes, and
Barber S-2 roller bearing trucks with journal caps. I think MDC
was the only source for that style truck and it's not exactly
right, but it has the journal caps.


Were/are any of them good for the C&O triple in
the most recent issue of Mainline?

SGL





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Re: New N&W Boxcar kits

Brian Carlson
 

Jim, I am not too familar with N&W rolling stock. can you point me to a picture of the prototype on the internet. What time frame do the cars model based on the details and decals.

Brian carlson

"James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:
Pocahontas Models LLC has two new HO scale kits of the N&W Class B-4/4A 50', double door, boxcars. The kits feature a one-piece polyurethane body and underframe. Most of the detail parts have been custom etched. Some additional Tichy detail parts are included, as are trucks. Custom decals were created from prototype photos and N&W Stenciling Diagrams and printed by Rail Graphics. No wheels or couplers are included to allow for modeler's preference on these items. Detailed instructions and data sheet are provided.

Kit No. 105 models N&W Class B-4/4A in number series 52300-52449. It has the rounded inside seam cap roof, 4-5 Dreadnaught ends, and Morton running board and brake step.

Kit No. 110 models N&W Class B-4 in number series 52450-52649. It has the improved Murphy Panel roof, 1-4-5 Dreadnaught ends, and Apex Tri-Lok running board and brake step.

Each kit is $44.95. MD residents add 5% sales tax. Add $5.00 to total order for shipping costs.

Please visit the web site, www.pocahontasmodels.com to see photographs of each kit, as well as the instructions.

I hope to produce additional models of N&W rolling stock; I'd appreciate your constructive criticism and comments regarding these kits. Please feel free to respond to me off list.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
pocahontasmodels@...





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